Are the Atheists or the Religious a bunch o' fools?Follow

Not the Catholic bible. Actually, I don't remember reading that in any bible. Catholics believe that babies are born with the burden of original sin on them. The baptism serves to wash away that sin. Thus, if not baptised, a baby would not die in a state of grace and therefor can't enter heaven.

The purpose of a baptism isn't to be a public display of faith, it is a ritual washing away of sin and being "reborn" with a spotless soul.

I know what it's really about. I'm just giving the Reader's Digest version of the catholic teachings, not their actual motives.

Sort of like believing in an invisible all knowing, all powerful (and apparently retired) being who lives in the sky, who will reward or punish you, but only after you die? There are a few other concepts that were normal and accepted by society in general: The world was flat. Monsters and dragons were real. Flight was impossible. The universe revolved around the earth. What happened to those "normal and accepted" concepts? They don't sound very rational in this day and age, do they? Those were accepted as scientific truths, not even matters of faith!

My point is that the number of believers is immaterial to the argument. No matter how many people believe a lie (any lie) it does transform that lie to truth.Really? Belief in Santa Claus is not common among christian children? There aren't countless books and songs about him? Parents don't encourage their children to believe in Santa? Getting presents is a complicated reason? Not to a 4 year old!I agree that there isn't much reason to believe in God. In fact I can't think of even one.

If you're really interested, here's me stirring up more trouble in the FFXI forum.

remember don't post on it ^^, it'll show up there.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1079463380924964072


My main points from it:

Scientifically I tend to see it as a matter of ordered vibrations (music..read the Ainuindale)... all of these vibrations and pattern of the physical plane are virbrating at the same rate.... thus are in the same dimension.... but there are different'tones' to this universal pattern(song?) and our minds(souls, ids, supo-egos, electro-chemical signals, wahtever) are comprised of ever changing tones within this.... Damn I'm on a ramble. So in effect... if we can learn how to play this "instrument" taht we call life or wahtever.... why can't we change reality??? they've even found taht electrons can communicate over far distances..well... WE have electrons don't we??... All I'm saying is if you have enough faith anything is possible...... just ask Peter Pan or Jesus Christ.

I myself do not believe in the "super-natural". as this inplies somthing that is alien to this universe or somthing... no I believe that the force that is generalized as 'magic' is the most natural thing in existance... and is everything. I think you're problem may be semantics.

I personally beleive taht if you strip the Names off of all of the beliefs out there..... off of everything... strip off anything the Ego can clutch onto... take all that away and ou can come pretty close to the truth...... the only problem is trying to thnk without words..... trying to thing woth the 'child self or Id)....

I believe it take the Id to regognize the infinate and divine in things.... becuase if we look at it wth our Ego... we only associate mundane words to things... the Id sees things like a child... Only in Pictures and Emotions....

People nowadays I find are totally out of touch with their 'child/Id' and only see things at face value... not realizing taht "life is a placebo, mascarading as a simile"<----TMBG lyric.

BTW... there is a name for people like me....

SCHIZOTYPAL

i love how people rationalize what they can't understand as a mental disorder... I heard some lady had 10s of cats and wouldn't get rid of them... the made a Cat-lovers mental disorder after her.... hilarious...

personally think we do reincarnat.... but Not so much as 'body-hopping'.. but more that different aspects of our 'Being' have their feet stepping in multiple "time" periods at once.... think of it... We have ONE eternal soul.. that is strewn across the time-line... we are always there.. and here.. but you as a human with human senses can only percieve one at a time.. otherwise you'd go quite crazy...

i see death as just one instance in one long life..not the Last thing, but the Least thing.....

Why we are on Earth n the First place???? Earth i think is kind of a cosmic incubator for souls...... eventually wehn we grow enough.. we can finnally break out of the cycle and go to where I couldn't imagine....

I do believe my ultimate question however is whether there is and END.. or if it keeps on going.. I'm sure it is somehow a little bit of both some how... i dunno.. I'm a Libra.. I can never make up my mind bout such things...... maybe after a few more incarnations....

/ramble off




Edited, Sat May 15 01:24:33 2004 by Kelvyquayo

okay first things first, i have to bash some christians/ catholics; Jesus is not your god, he is the son of god and nothing more than a prophet/over glorified priest. not gonna mention any names but too many over you have incorrectly used the name Jesus instead of god. read your own bible not once in there does it mention jesus being god, they are and always will be 2 seperate entities for those who believe.

okay now all catholics and catholic denomantion bashing aside, personally im agnostic. yes I do believe there is a superior being but no i dont believe anyone religion is correct. if you ask me when the time comes i think the catholics are gonna be the farthest from the truth anyways, and the mormons are just some kinda of kiddie cult.

The only reason I can explain my belief that there is a superior being is WHO THE HECK ELSE WOULD MAKE SUCH THINGS AS B*TCHES AND BEER OR ANY OF THE THOUSANDS OF THINGS MEN ENJOY

That Triplicity thing is in alot of "faiths".

wiccans

the 3 Fates

Celtic and Pre-celtic

I think the Idea of 3s being sacred has to do with it being divisible by the sacred number 9. 9 being sacred because of the number of moons that it takes for a woman to give birth..

and everyone knows.. things happen in threes ^^.... that came from our forgotten pagan origins.

It's another thing the Christians adapted for their own.

Athiest Manifesto

now burn in hell all you heathens!!!
Gnashing of teeth I tell you!!
GNASHING OF TEETH!!


(^_~)

Ok, first, I don't expect anyone to abandon their ideas because I know that I won't abandon mine. I also respect people who make up their own minds and don't just believe what they are told because I have done the same. Just because I am Christian and millions of others hold the same BASIC ideas as me, does not mean that I blindly follow others. I have come to my own conclusions about my religion and actually disagree with many people. I also ask that people show the same respect for my beliefs even if you do not agree.

I don't believe in sitting back and expecting God to take care of everthing, I believe that if I expect anything of God, He also expects things of me. I believe in making this world a better place and I don't believe calling people fools will go towards this end. I don't expect people to understand my belief in God if they have no belief in a higher power because it's a foreign idea, even if you were brought up in a church of some kind.

Whee... this post was most educational ^_^

Heres the deal: People believe in that they believe in. That it. Some peoples beliefs are "forced" on them by their parents, and some are just created over time. I like the idea of God. Regardless of how it makes me have the "mentality of a 4 year old", I'll stick by my beliefs. You can stand over me and shout about how God is scientifically & realistically impossible. I'm just gonna smile and let you think what you want.
If I'm wrong, who cares? If you're wrong, who cares? We all die in the end, and sit in a box underground while we slowly rot... Won't you at least let me live with the idea that my good deeds in life will be rewarded somehow after I'm dead? Or do you have to take everything away from me? ^_^

I don't press my beliefs on others, and I'm more than willing to let other beliefs influence me (I'm a big fan of Zen Buddhism as well). If you don't believe in God, Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the Hamburgler then rock on with your bad self. All I know is that the thought of a fat *** man in red stuffing himself down my fireplace in order to give me gifts made my ******* year as a kid.

/sigh

There have been many good points made by a lot of people... You don't believe in God, cool. I do... so stop calling me a dunce and trying to pursuade me into thinking something else... And yeah... Jesus wouldn't have been a Christian... he was Jewish. ^_^

Pssst... Valhallan... Faith is the belief in something you can't prove (or something like that). So while I suppose I should say I have faith in there being a god, I also believe that more things taste like chicken then really should... ^_^

Oh... and good luck proving ANYTHING with absolutely no room for doubt... nothing is 100% true, other than the fact that NOTHING IS 100% TRUE.

Oh... and on a total side note, those WWJD wrist bands suck... I mean come on! You know what Jesus would have done? Given you the damn bracelet instead of charging you a dollar for it! ******...

Ooooh oooooh! Valhallah!

Prove that this isn't true:


HAH! Do that, and maybe someone will try to prove whether God is there, or if its just a weirdly shapen cloud! Or swamp gas!! A giant monkey!! Yeti! (ok... I'm weird and its late... x_x)

Edited: What? You want a reason?! TOUGH!

Edited, Mon May 17 01:33:47 2004 by ChibiMagatsu

I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure you just missed the entire point of what I posted... That being that you CAN'T prove anything to be absolute. If God were real, then what right would man have to name anything/what makes the name man gave it correct? Aside from semantics. On a side note, I'm quite sure you're aware that what you said about nothing being 100% true other than the fact that nothing is 100% true is a complete contradiction. So, basically you've proven yourself either ignorant or that was a sad attempt at a joke.



... Refer to above statement.