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#1 Dec 27 2008 at 8:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Just turned 71 DRK and I'm lookin for a little advice as to what I will be keeping for the rest of my career, and what I should be getting rid of.

First a little backround - Mithra DRK. I'm in a great limbus shell. Its gonna take a lot more point building but Homam is definately on the plate as far as haste gear goes.

My chat LS does do Sky once a week but that's mostly for fun so I'm not seeing a lot of Heca coming my way for WS goodness.

Everything I have now has been slowly farmed for mostly through teleports etc so I'm kinda hoping that I luck out a bit before I have to take the Dusk Dive when I start to build my haste setup ( @270k of like the 800 its gonna take for the upgrade >.<)

Scythe - Molione's (GS Ive got a Naglering in the MH. Subduer maybe someday :/)

Helm - Optical Hat / Chaos Burgeonet

Neck - Chiv chain

Body - Hauberk

Hands- Thick / Pallas's Bracelets

Rings - Raja's / Molione's (I also carry Ulthalam's and Ecphoria)

Earrings - Fang / Fowling Earring (Ive got a Brutal for 75)

Waist - Potent (tp) / Warwolf Belt (ws) (I see alot of people saying Life should be in the TP slot,((Barring Swift)) is the 2 extra acc really worth loosing 3 str here?) No swift belt yet, I'm hoping January will be good to me there.

Legs - Black Cuisses

Feet - Black Sollerets / Thick Sollerets (I'm starting Nyzul soon so Askar is a possibility. Aurum could also potentially be there. As far as WS gear goes are the Black boots worth hanging onto at least until AF+1 or can/should they be dropped at the next potential upgrade?)

Back - Amemet +1

Range - Bomb Core

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, and it doesn't have to be limited to what I can wear @71. Ill get those last couple levels eventually. It will go a long way to help decide what armor to bid for, AF+1 to upgrade and ZNMs to farm for in the near future :/
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Scythe - Molione's (GS Ive got a Naglering in the MH. Subduer maybe someday :/)

]Erm, why would you want a Subduer if you have a Naglering? Subduer is at most a sidegrade.
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Helm - Optical Hat / Chaos Burgeonet

Get W.Turban, TP in it. Apparently haste always rox nowdays, and you'll probably be able to get some in most events you do anyway. If not? Is O-Hat better? I don't know. But get a turban anyway for versatility.

Chs. Burgeonet +1 is a solid Spinning Slash piece.

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Hands- Thick / Pallas's Bracelets

How did you afford Molione's before being able to afford Dusk? Anyway, get Dusk hands asap. Personally I don't see it as -that- much of an upgrade (unless you have the appropriate STP) compared to Perdu/Tred but I'm sure somebody will argue with me to hell about that, well I'd lean towards Dusk + Tred being better but maybe not. Anyway.

For WS Chaos Gnt. +1 are a solid Guillotine choice.

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Waist - Potent (tp) / Warwolf Belt (ws) (I see alot of people saying Life should be in the TP slot,((Barring Swift)) is the 2 extra acc really worth loosing 3 str here?) No swift belt yet, I'm hoping January will be good to me there.

Sell Potent asap, get a Life Belt instead. Swift Belt is great, and definetly work on that.

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Feet - Black Sollerets / Thick Sollerets (I'm starting Nyzul soon so Askar is a possibility. Aurum could also potentially be there. As far as WS gear goes are the Black boots worth hanging onto at least until AF+1 or can/should they be dropped at the next potential upgrade?)

Askar? Don't wear that. Personally, I like Rutters, so you can sell Black Sollerets ASAP and get some Dusk hands. Aurum/Dusk feet are nice I guess, Aurum with Rutters on WS is something to aim for (although long-term should be Homam). Amir in the meantime is like Thick+2.

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Range - Bomb Core

Bomblet is better but since your strapped for cash, this is low priority.

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Edited, Dec 30th 2008 2:42pm by LordFaramir
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#3 Dec 27 2008 at 9:23 PM Rating: Good
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you've got a good start, can't really give you much advice that you obviously haven't figured out already. get dusk while you work on homam (arum feet are a good stand-in till homam feet drop), grab a walmart turban and upgrade to askar when you can (or ace's if you do HNM). black legs will last you until homam, they should stay glued to you until then. as you get the gil, upgrade to PCC and bomblet along the way. no need for subduer if you have nagerling. pick up a perdu sickle. it will serve you well along the way until you're more merited/geared. etc. as far as WS gear goes, not much is better than hecatomb so keep whoring sky.
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#4 Dec 28 2008 at 12:56 AM Rating: Good
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WHat giga said, but if your mainly a scythe guy af + 1 hands beat out heca for guillo, and af + 1 feet are on par / better for guillo as well. For guillo your going to want more ACC then you listed, but for spinning slash your WS gear is about right.
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which piece of gear is best for what slot is going to depend on the rest of your build and merits. af+1/heca/black feet questions are moot if you don't have enough accuracy. guilly's str and mnd mods are a joke to begin with at 25%. until your accuracy is high enough from merits and gear, i'd stay with amir boots. they have the added bonus of being free. lulz, also covered in the above stickies.
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#6 Dec 28 2008 at 2:01 AM Rating: Decent
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at 71 mithra drk/sam with OP's gear (using thick hands instead of pallas, b/c gigas bracers used on a multihit WS make me want to punch babies and drown kittens, and thick feet instead of galdings):

dex 82*
scythe skill 256
+acc from gear 44
acc from dex 61
acc from skill 250
total accuracy: 355
hasso: 365

now, checking out camps with the accuracy calculator thingy drexis posted:
no buffs:
mire imps: 77%
jnun: 85%
greater colibri: 61%

hasso:
mire imps: 82%
jnun: 90%
greater colibri: 66%

this is with a basic att/accuracy build at the OP's level. as far as guilly macros go i'd pick up amir boots and a perdu sickle soon as you can ding into them, as these will do more to put your accuracy where you want it than anything else. IMO there's no point in stacking str/mnd gear anywhere in here until you start getting higher accuracy.

things will get better as you get more skill in scythe and then merits, but remember you'll be dipping out in accuracy as you add in walmart turban and dusk on the way to the higher-end homam, askar and arum pieces. start working on the higher-end pieces like fire bomblet and PCC as you build your haste set as well.

*assuming the full +5 from rajas

Edited, Dec 28th 2008 10:42am by gigasnail
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#7 Dec 28 2008 at 4:08 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks for the replies so far, and yeah Ive gone through a lot of the stickies (Special thanks to Sara) and tried to research as much as possible, however I always come across those odd out situations that still kinda nag at me. So I figured Id take the Karma hit and just post it :p

Plus a lot of the info on this game is so old its kind of hard to figure out what is still up to date without going to get flamed by the folks who seem to be constantly amazed that there are players who don't level into Apocalypse.

@ Lordfaramir - I actually farmed the scythe with a couple friends. Ive had 75 WHM for a couple years so I'm not completely worthless but DRK is the first melee job that Ive taken past 43 and cost wise its been.. prohibitive. I kinda fell into the "Buy flashy first" trap early on and now that Ive hit the high end the functional part of the gear is hurtin a bit ^_^

Unfortunately Assault upgrades are kind of off the table. Perdu would be awesome but Ive put enough time in having assault sets fall apart that Ive kinda put that stuff on the "Not worth my time" list. Nyzul looks like its gonna work and my excitement can probably be measured in pounds (Or Kilos for the rest of the world)

Im glad Naglering will get me by. Id heard alot of good stuff about an unlocked Subduer but if I can save the seals for other things all the better :D

Pallas's Gloves I do use for Guillo b/c with Sushi I still hit around 95% and knock out 500-700 WS's consistently on the Imp/Doomed pts Ive been invited to so far. I haven't had the pleasure of greater colibs yet so I always carry around that extra acc to be safe though. Tapping into my friends stats IVe noticed that even with the -dex as a Mithra Ive still got a good lead the stat over other races so I just figured it evened out (Ive WS'ed pretty much exclusively in the Optical since I got it though)

But I guess mostly going into my original questions I guess its safe to say that Ill be keeping the Black Sollerets at least for GS (Or sell when when I can pick up another pair of dd boots). Ill trade in my old friend Potent belt and pick up another Life Belt and add the bomblet onto my list-o-things to look at after Dusk (AD)

Keep it comin and thanks again!
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I dunno about you but on my server black sollerets are about 600k and dusk hands and boots are 300k each, your better off selling the sollerets for those and WS in the thick tp in dusk while your waiting on homam/aurum/amir (currently I Use aurum for TP and WS since I only do appolyon I dont have af + 1 and I havent got my homam yet T-T) . .. . oh and In general I uphold a ********** sky" polocy. I hate it >_>

But yeah other then that the fang earring is the only thing hurting my eyes but you'll have brutal there soon so it's cool. And once you get turban, swift, bomblet . . . congrats you can wait in line for homam n **** with the rest of us >_>
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#9 Dec 28 2008 at 10:51 PM Rating: Decent
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lol i might have to start flaming people for not dinging into apoc...2 of my old slacker friends are well on thier way to relics now. making me feel lazy. i'm going to have to start fishing while i'm at work...

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Guillo b/c with Sushi I still hit around 95%


get off the sushi tit as soon as possible. if you're hovering at 80% accuracy rate with no food (which you should be, on paper anyway) then that's the point where you should think about eating meat, esp. as you're out of the bird levels (till nyzul opens up, then it's kabob spam anyway). the transistion from fish to meat is one of the first big jumps in performance you'll see as drk.

pallas bracelets up your weapon base damage by 2, while lowering your accuracy by about 4 (depending on what your dex comes out to). with guilly's ****** mods it's not worth it. DON'T DO IT, MAN!! seriously, work the accuracy side of your guilly macro first, then add in str later. at the point you're at with your gear, i would just guilly in your TP set to be honest. str does little for guilly, landing all 4 hits the maximum 80% of the time will.

moliones's is a great set, but perdu + woodsman/sniper/ToAU is much better at the level you can equip them at from the extra accuracy/attack. later on when you're merited and rocking a 6 hit with the 501's (which you already haev the gear for) molly's can pull ahead when you're at/near the accuracy/attack cap for a particular camp.

i would second sarah's tip: check your AH prices and sell those black sollerets off to get dusk feet/hands. if you want a +str piece for GS but dont want heca, get a friend or two and go kill the rutter sabatons NM.

side note: dinging into dusk hands/feet at 72 is one time i would actually advocate a sushi build (hi2u firefeng).
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But yeah other then that the fang earring is the only thing hurting my eyes


What do you guys think about investing in an assault earring? Would it be worth the time/effort at this point or is it gonna a missed opportunity and end up being Fowling/Brutal at end game anyways?

Selling off the Black Sollerets (about 430k on Rag) should get me at least the dusk hands, then leave a little left over for the boots fund.

And Mmm a return to meat. If I can trade some ugly gloves for the ability to pop Kabobs again Ill heed your advise immediately lol

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side note: dinging into dusk hands/feet at 72 is one time i would actually advocate a sushi build (hi2u firefeng).


Is the 5% from dusk noticeable when you only have Hasso to stack with it pre 75? I have the Turban from my WHM already, but besides that I think Ive only gotten WHM/RDM haste in .. maybe 2 parties level 40-71, so its not really something I'm counting on to enhance my speed lol.

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assault vs fowling is about like 6 of one, half a dozen of the other. assault is better for TP but in the end it's not going to be much of a discernable difference.

and yes, get the dusk. and a swift belt.
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#12 Dec 29 2008 at 9:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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The fact that haste gets better the more you stack it does not make only have a little haste pointless.

See the chart (Shen 5)

EDIT: I used fowling/brutal till i got abyssal . . . it's nice to intimidate the colbri every now and then XD

Edited, Dec 30th 2008 12:57am by SillyXSara
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Edited, Dec 30th 2008 2:49pm by LordFaramir
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People like to use the "well haste is only good in high amounts" argument so they can fap to their epeen +5 str gear or whatever a lot. The point they overlook is:

1) Walahra Turban is ridiculously easy to get
2) Most parties worth being in, you will have haste spell on, which is 15% right off the bat
3) If you're sub sam, there's hasso.

That's 30% haste for relatively little work. Hasso and haste spell are free, and w turban can be bought with IS you earned getting to 75 in the first place. I'm not even including marches here, which a lot of merit parties will have.

You can't just say "well dusk won't help me much cause I don't have a lot of haste", then "oh turban won't help me much cause I don't have a lot of haste", then "oh dusk won't help me, oh swift belt won't help me" etc., because even without that stuff you've already got a lot of haste! And you won't get to a lot more haste if you don't start somewhere. Haste has accelerating returns, so start accelerating asap to reap the benefits.
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You can't just say "well dusk won't help me much cause I don't have a lot of haste", then "oh turban won't help me much cause I don't have a lot of haste",



I was just looking a little short-sightedly at a 5% boost between 2 pieces of armor, instead of the bigger picture which includes future upgrades, spells/songs etc.

0-5% seems a lot less important to the uninitiated until you factor in that a good party will actually bump that to a difference between 25 and 30+%. Not ignoring that Dusk has a decent attack bonus too

Status update - Halfway to 72. I got a good deal on my Dusk gloves.. waiting for the Sollerets to sell so I can pick up the Dusk boots and mule away some cash for a Bomblet

Edited, Dec 30th 2008 4:17pm by Tekksama
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The fact that haste gets better the more you stack it does not make only have a little haste pointless.

See the chart (Shin* 5)
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I made a better haste table I was going to necrobump that for, but I can't find it now :x
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