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Just because it's a WS doesn't mean that STR is suddenly meaningless. fSTR still applies, and attack is still important too. Also, all hits are equally as strong, and not only that, but you always have a 95% chance of hitting the first hit.

Edited, Dec 27th 2008 11:52pm by bsphil

I was replying to the guy that bsphil replied to, not you.

And YGK are Multi-hit? Nvm.


Also i was referring to the fact that as a rule Multi-hit WS's mods are lol. You're better just swapping Acc in place of Haste, rather than worrying too much about the Mods. I was not referring to ALL weapon skills.

Edited, Dec 28th 2008 5:47am by Nilatai

I'd agree with that. Assuming some decent merits (8/8 GA and such) and gear, it's not hard to drop out some acc for str (or dex for crit tiers, but that's a bit more situational) and still do well, especially if you're using things like Haub/Heca etc. which give boosts to acc as well (even if it's indirectly, via dex).

Hmm..Okay.

So, what i'd like to know is this. Would i be better off not swapping in Acc? So Warwolf Belt instead of Life, something with DEX or STR on it instead of Ohat?

Obviously Hecatomb will go where i have it. Warrior's Cuisses usually get swapped in for my WS' anyway.

Thoughts?

Using my gear, the fact that I have 66 base dex as war/nin, and have 6 GA merits for 288 skill,

My acc from gear is:

TP:

 
Perdu    5 
Bomblet  6 
PCC      10 
Haub     13 
Haidate  11 
Rajas    3 
Fowling  3 
Swift    3 
Ecphoria 4 
Amir     5 
----------- 
Total    63

Which gives me 279(base acc) + 49 (base dex) + 63 = 391

((391/407)*100) - 5 = 91% Hitrate without aggressor.

WS:

 
O Hat    10 
Perdu    5 
Bomblet  6 
Snow     10 
Haub     13 
Haidate  11 
Rajas    3 
Fowling  3 
Warwolf  3 
Heca H.  3 
Heca F.  2 
----------- 
Total    69

Which gives me 279(base acc) + 49 (base dex) + 69 = 397

((397/407)*100) - 5 = 92% Hitrate without aggressor.

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tl;dr:

91% hitrate in my TP gear.
92% hitrate in my WS gear.

This is while using Warwolf, a Ruby Ring, and Heca Hands and Feet as WS gear.

Hope this helps a little.

Edited, Dec 30th 2008 3:07pm by LordMnementh

Using the chance of all hits landing overexaggerates the importance of acc. It's more correct to use average hits landed, since that represents what you can expect to see from a WS. Using "all hits" as the yardstick overexaggerates cuz the chance of all hits decreases exponentially with less acc. But average hits stays proportional with acc.

I had this explained much more clearly but firefox crashed...lol...

Well the way to do it would be something like:

(.95-.92)/# of swings
+.92
*# of hits
=average number of hits landed.

I spent a stupid long time a while back trying to figure out the exact probabilities of each instance--4 hits 3 hits 2 hits 1 hit or W/E. But got nowhere.

If anything I think it'd be something like this: chance of a chance of hit * chance of hit * chance of hit for 3, chance of hit * chance of hit * chance of miss for 2, and so on, then multiply that by the # of hits that swing represents, but that's not quite correct. Then I figured something along the lines of chance of hit hit hit, hit hit miss, hit miss hit, miss hit hit, hit miss miss, and so on down the permutations, with the chance being multiplied by the number of permutations that represent that result, but that doesn't work either because it weighs too heavily towards the middle, even though it gives a correct "average".

But in any case it's pedantic because figuring out the average number of hits landed is simple enough.

Oh... well that settles another matter I was dealing with. :/



And sorry, guess I haven't been keeping up with those JP blogs I can't read lately... /rolleyes

Reason I asked is because I havent seen the .95 used in WS acc calculations as of late.

My point being that there was no reason to point that out other than to be condescending.

BRD and Food(as has already been said) are the biggest factors. Today at MJSP I was averaging 900 rampages. Reason? Food and 2x BRD. Without that you're not going to be seeing the amazing averages you hear about.

No, it's not. Don't worry about your chances to hit a full RR (or full asuran, or full rampage, etc.). Look at each hit (first and additional) individually, and decide what is better to use overall for the WS.



Edited, Dec 31st 2008 11:12pm by bsphil

This is the fourth post of yours I've seen in five minutes over various forums offering bad advice. Before advising others how to play, learn what works.

How is it not correct? What is the correct way to do it then? I would think the compounding accuracy equation is the best way to determine the full accuracy of a certain WS. If it is wrong, how about offering a better way to go about it. Just because I have 92% hitrate does not mean my WS land for all 3 original hits 92-93% of the time.

What bsphil is saying is that is not how HE would gear for a WS (and I agree) But it is a good way to try to actually calculate what you will do on average. If you don't take the overall acc into account you can completely overstate the importance of str gear. If you do take the overall acc into account then you can overstate the importance of acc gear. The answer is having a good balance of both. The basic fact is multihits have bad consistency, it is one of the reasons why people give the general acc guideline. However, looking at how the acc of RR is relative to other "higher # of hits" those are pretty good numbers.

Short answer: It is correct, actually.





Edited, Jan 1st 2009 11:40am by LordMnementh