Level 85-90 CrabsFollow

I was thinking more along the line of Iron Giants;
*Massively High DEF but moderate HP
*Slow attack speed, but its huge sword counts as a frontal AOE attack, wiping shadows and thus discouraging NINs and melees (even further).
*Resistant to bind/sleep/grav to discourage manaburn, so PLD is desirable as tank
*High Latent EXP bonus
*Aspirable

A mob with these traits would be perfect for PLD and BLM oriented parties.

Level 85~90 crabs would be the bane of every DD. I'm sure you'd actually be able to hear their sighs and moans over the internet when you tell them you wanna fight crabs for EXP. Level 90 crabs, at that. 90!? Their level is way high, I'd be willing to bet they would check as High Defense and Evasion to most players without food on, which would suck. As for their attack, according to many PLDs, PLDs DEF isn't working for them past a certain point(diminishing returns, I assume, too lazy to search) so that would help but the the crabs would probably have to get rediculously low attack for it to matter any. With the variety of easier to kill enemies around, I don't see why I'd want to trouble myself and my party with crab defense. Kills the epeen. <.<


Rilly, your ideal mobs sound potentially... dangerous. I could imagine THF or anyone subbing THF would regularly be eating one of the AoE attacks, which wouldn't be fun at all. Truthfully, if the mobs DEF is all that high people might not even go near the monsters, Giants maybe because they have low HP and EXP+, but the crabs don't sound like people I'd want to hang out with. What's the obsession with crabs people have? I've actually seen people say "yes, we can fight crabs now!" like it's cool.

I don't really care too much about the stats, but I want one thing out of level 90 crabs.

Size.

A crab about the size of the Torpedoes from Besieged would do nicely for the level 90 range. Or failing that, something that would make a Dahak look puny.

No more "Bubbly Bernie" sized crabs, tyvm. I want to see something that would strike fear into the hearts of crabbers everywhere.

"AMG, Run, CRAB!" is what we're shooting for here. The sheer size ALONE would entice a PLD to try to tank it, at least once.

The thing PLDs complain about is that many HNMs have a very high DMG rating on their attacks. So a PLD can pile on a ton of Def and hit the cap on VIT, but even getting hit for the minimum on the damage curve they're taking a ton of damage.

Hence the PLD/NINs getting TA weapon skills dumped on them and a small army of SMNs doing the rest of the damage you see with some HNMs.

lol, I remember that flash vid, thanks for posting, it still makes me laugh

Yes... that is very true. Most pld's I know are notorious masochists. XD

Manaburn on birds? Are you kidding me?

Looking at both of your posts it honestly looks like you aren't thinking in terms of "Manaburn" but more in terms of "exp pt". Honestly, for a manaburn, crabs over birds.(which is what the OP was saying the crabs would be great for...). Though I agree with the level change... I'm pretty sure at 75 the ideal IT range would be... 82-85? Much better than 85-90, imo. Fighting a Fafnir crab wouldn't be a fun party mob.

To Rilly: It really sounds like you're making that a mob that no real xp party would want to fight. But it's all been said before. (Making the mob resistant to sleep/grav... in an exp party? Taking out the role of RDM, thanks.)

To the PLD debate: Aegis, Aegis, Aegis. That's pretty much all I have to say. (Look, I know it's pretty damn rare, but it still makes the PLD one hell of a tank)

Edited, Nov 22nd 2006 6:58pm by Ikanaide

I'm still holding out for a giant Mandy HNM....

No, you were going for TPburn.

Crabs are the perfect mob for a regular setup.
They're weak, but have normal HP (unlike Imps), no powerful moves that can't be Dispelled (Scissor Guard, Bubble Curtain), a weak AoE favoring PLD (Bubble Shower strips shadows, I think), MP to Aspir.

Birds, on the other hand, just mean "ok, let's spam a few Dancing Edges along with the Rampages and Asuran Fists. Be sure to have Shadows, don't want to eat an Helldive."

Who told you that? That's a lie! People who tell lies are bad!
Weak? Offensively, yes. Defensively, on the other hand, they have the potential to be rather annoying. Naturally high defense, a defense+ TP move, and a stoneskin TP move(usually not too bad). Bubble Shower doesn't favor PLD in the least, it doesn't strip shadows. I think birds are the ones with Utsusemi stripping abilities. Some wind AoE and Barrages that pierce straight through.

Sure, you can probably TP burn birds. High IT birds? Maybe. However, the same can be said for crabs. Crabs having no moves that can harm just about anybody in the party are actually an easier target. Only problem is their defense, whereas the birds have a chance of killing you because, unlike crabs, they actually fight back.

Edited, Nov 23rd 2006 7:58pm by RhondaTheSly