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Sorry if this is an old topic, but i'm sorta new to ff11. So, do u think that the best sub job for the black mage is the white mage or the red mage?
There is a nice guide for BLMs. It covers the basics such as subjob, gear etc. Check out The arcane tome of doom for more useful info about playing BLM.
Yet, they don't tell wich choice is better. They just say what you would get with the varios sub, but a inxexpert like me can't still make the good choice just by reading them.
Neither is really "better".
WHM lets you help your PT out more, while RDM makes you more versatile, as well a little more tuned into BLM without giving up Cure Spells. and to the other poster who said WHM is better, it's not. It is prefered by some, as RDM is prefered by others.
Edited, Tue Jul 19 21:15:14 2005 by Onionsoilder
WHM lets you help your PT out more, while RDM makes you more versatile, as well a little more tuned into BLM without giving up Cure Spells. and to the other poster who said WHM is better, it's not. It is prefered by some, as RDM is prefered by others.
Edited, Tue Jul 19 21:15:14 2005 by Onionsoilder
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WHM lets you help your PT out more, while RDM helps make you more versitile. nothing more to it.
RDM doesnt make you more versatile. It takes away your versatility for a paltry amount of INT, a lower amount of MP and 2 spells. be sensible sub WHM
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Seriously just make your own choice.
Whitemage will give you raise. It will give you Stoneskin, blink, and cure 3 earlier, and will give you ~na spells
Redmage will give you gravity, fast cast, and dispel.
Just pick one, they are both good choices, and ideally, you should try and have both of them leveled anyway.
Whitemage will give you raise. It will give you Stoneskin, blink, and cure 3 earlier, and will give you ~na spells
Redmage will give you gravity, fast cast, and dispel.
Just pick one, they are both good choices, and ideally, you should try and have both of them leveled anyway.
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both are good.
however, /whm tends to help you out a lil more until the later lvls.
so, and forgive me, if u r being a lil lazy and wish to only lvl 1 sub, lvl whm.
but please make sure u have erase by 64.
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however, /whm tends to help you out a lil more until the later lvls.
so, and forgive me, if u r being a lil lazy and wish to only lvl 1 sub, lvl whm.
but please make sure u have erase by 64.
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Before 60, I would simply do whm. After 60 having both will help keep you versitile. I use whm sub most times, but will use rdm sub if we dont have a bard or rdm (dispel) or if we have a load of whm or /whm.
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Stick with /whm for most of your blm career because it offers a lot more than /rdm.
At high levels /rdm can be a lot of fun. At 70 you get 'fast cast II' if you combine that with warlock's mantle and those shoes that just got released in this update you can cast those long high level nukes in the time it takes you to say 'holy !@#$'.
I think there is a lot to be said for fast spell casting, if things start to get crazy and you need to get stuff out fast it can be a big help. Your rng gets hate and get and needs some quick curing its nice to have your Cure III get there in time to keep him alive while the whm takes forever to cast Cure V. Manafont becomes more powerful because you have time to cast maybe 3x more spells while its active. You can cut the time down you spend standing casting which you leaves you more time to rest mp.
/whm is always going to be the safer more reliable option but depending on what you are doing you may be able to have some fun with something a little different
At high levels /rdm can be a lot of fun. At 70 you get 'fast cast II' if you combine that with warlock's mantle and those shoes that just got released in this update you can cast those long high level nukes in the time it takes you to say 'holy !@#$'.
I think there is a lot to be said for fast spell casting, if things start to get crazy and you need to get stuff out fast it can be a big help. Your rng gets hate and get and needs some quick curing its nice to have your Cure III get there in time to keep him alive while the whm takes forever to cast Cure V. Manafont becomes more powerful because you have time to cast maybe 3x more spells while its active. You can cut the time down you spend standing casting which you leaves you more time to rest mp.
/whm is always going to be the safer more reliable option but depending on what you are doing you may be able to have some fun with something a little different
yes, choose the subjob you enjoy using better.
however, my advice is to level both.
For the most part, especially in terms of being the most beneficial party member you can be, WHM sub will be more useful until 68-70 (at 68 you can finally use all 3 blink-stoneskin-phalanx with rdm sub, at 70 you get fast cast II from rdm sub, which means your spells cast when the casting timer is at 60%)
After that point, the subjob choice depends greatly upon the party you join, and the mobs you are fighting. sometimes it's more useful for the blm to be able to use dispel/gravity from RDM sub, sometimes it's more useful for the blm to be able to remove status effects with paralyna, poisona, silena from WHM sub.
Overall, either one of these subs will do you well.
however, my advice is to level both.
For the most part, especially in terms of being the most beneficial party member you can be, WHM sub will be more useful until 68-70 (at 68 you can finally use all 3 blink-stoneskin-phalanx with rdm sub, at 70 you get fast cast II from rdm sub, which means your spells cast when the casting timer is at 60%)
After that point, the subjob choice depends greatly upon the party you join, and the mobs you are fighting. sometimes it's more useful for the blm to be able to use dispel/gravity from RDM sub, sometimes it's more useful for the blm to be able to remove status effects with paralyna, poisona, silena from WHM sub.
Overall, either one of these subs will do you well.
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Now maybe this is just my personal opinion (and i'm sure it is) but a blm's job isn't to heal their pt. An ideal pt has TANK, HEALER, SUPPORTER, and either 3 Melee or 2 Melee and a BLM. BLM is a damage dealer. Ultimately sub what you want. If you like to cure sub whm. I personally hate curing, that's why i stopped levelling whm at 30. RDM you get fast cast which alone is enough of a reason for me. Plus you get phalanx, which if your enhancing is capped helps a ton. BLM's dont get the liberty of being able to take much damage. As /rdm you get cure III just like /whm, only spells that would be nice to have is Curaga and Raise. But hell that's why WHM has Reraise. And RDM has raise. Also with /rdm you get a nice enfeeb boost. BLM is the only job with SleepgaII (interesting). When I first hit 75 there were very few people who used /rdm as a subjob. It's slowly becoming more and more popular. Once you go /rdm you never go back! Cast AM with /whm, then switch to /rdm and cast it again. You'll be sold on /rdm for life :) Not that AM is too practical, but we gotta have fun sometimes too. The ONLY thing i didn't like about /rdm is having to wait until 68 for stoneskin. But if you know you're limits you wont need to worry about that anyways.
I dont wanna sound like i'm saying anyone's stupid for thinking /whm is better, this is just my personal opinion.
I dont wanna sound like i'm saying anyone's stupid for thinking /whm is better, this is just my personal opinion.
I subbed white mage up to 69, still subbing it. I've got Erase, and use it every exp party. But, I do wish I would have leveled up Red mage before.... Especially for Phalax and Dispel. But ah well. White mage is a solid choice, and you shouldn't have too much trouble getting parties as a low level white mage, either. But like the previous posters have said: if you can level both, do it.
In a sentence: Sub WHM whenever you are in a party and RDM whenever you are soloing.
This will ensure that you are most effective to your party and yourself. I hate asking the WHM for erase or poisona. I love my RDM sub, but unless I am partying in moon or sometimes sky (when that extra dispel is needed greatly), I will sub WHM.
This will ensure that you are most effective to your party and yourself. I hate asking the WHM for erase or poisona. I love my RDM sub, but unless I am partying in moon or sometimes sky (when that extra dispel is needed greatly), I will sub WHM.
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either is fine, really. /whm might be better, but in reality, you're not gimping yourself terribly by subbing either one of them. I will say that at the very least, you need to have whm leveled to 37, because there are times end game where you MUST sub whm to save whm mp. There are also times where /rdm is preferable in case you need ES gravity on a mob if there's a shortage of rdms.
Fact is, as long as you sub one of the two, people should be more than happy to have you in their party.
Fact is, as long as you sub one of the two, people should be more than happy to have you in their party.
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Melee Red Mage: a person that wants to level a melee character, but can not deal with the long seek times of normal melee and uses the refresh spell as a hostage to get invites. Other terms that can be used interchangably: gimp rdm, moron, P.O.S.
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Melee Red Mage: a person that wants to level a melee character, but can not deal with the long seek times of normal melee and uses the refresh spell as a hostage to get invites. Other terms that can be used interchangably: gimp rdm, moron, P.O.S.
WHM, RDM/BLM PT, go BLM/WHM,
WHM, BRD/WHM PT, go BLM/RDM,
Rule of thumb, have 2 people in the party that can -na and erase is the way to go.
And no, /whm is not ALWAYS better, even in party.
WHM, BRD/WHM PT, go BLM/RDM,
Rule of thumb, have 2 people in the party that can -na and erase is the way to go.
And no, /whm is not ALWAYS better, even in party.
Aside from gravity and dispel, how exactly does /rdm give a 'nice boost to enfeebling'?
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i'd sub whm til u can get dispel and phalanx on blm/rdm
even then its situational
RDM sub
-prob mostly for bcnm's/ksnms/missions
(blm with sleep duties will want all buffs up toavoid interruption/death)
-throwing out nukes like mad - manaburns, but not conventional pt i guess
-dispel :D
WHM sub
- na spells, crawlers nest, boyada tree - poison, but after playing whm myself rarely needed help, but handy
- erase- whm <3 other erasers, most of the time i only erase 1 DD coz haveso much other stuff to do ~.~
even then its situational
RDM sub
-prob mostly for bcnm's/ksnms/missions
(blm with sleep duties will want all buffs up toavoid interruption/death)
-throwing out nukes like mad - manaburns, but not conventional pt i guess
-dispel :D
WHM sub
- na spells, crawlers nest, boyada tree - poison, but after playing whm myself rarely needed help, but handy
- erase- whm <3 other erasers, most of the time i only erase 1 DD coz haveso much other stuff to do ~.~
One other viable sub is /nin. IMO due to the Shadows and the dual-wielding of wands for the doubling of Int. But of course this depends entirely on your pt setup and in my xp hasn't been entirely viable at higher lvls. But the dmg done with elemental magic is incredible. Just a thought, give it a try and tell me what u think.^^
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Getting spells early is big for /WHM. I was going to do BLM/RDM all the way until I realized that /WHM gets cure 2 at level 22 while /RDM gets cure 2 at level 28. At that point I started levelling WHM.
Curaga and divine seal are nice. Status effect removal is also nice, but rarely used.
Dispel is huge for /RDM if you end up partying without a BRD or RDM. Even with another dispeller its nice because then you don't have to wait for them to dispel shell; just do it yourself.
If you were only going to level one sub, definately WHM is better to have. Overall I think /WHM is useful in more situations than /RDM.
I need to start levelling WHM again... shucks...
Curaga and divine seal are nice. Status effect removal is also nice, but rarely used.
Dispel is huge for /RDM if you end up partying without a BRD or RDM. Even with another dispeller its nice because then you don't have to wait for them to dispel shell; just do it yourself.
If you were only going to level one sub, definately WHM is better to have. Overall I think /WHM is useful in more situations than /RDM.
I need to start levelling WHM again... shucks...
Thx for all the replies. Anyway i think i'll chose the rdm. A friend of mine told me that at high lvls all the blm sub rdm. And what's more, everybody who said that the whm is better, said that it's so because it can heal. Actually i think that uf you have to squeeze your brain to attack well, you can't think to heal, and you even haven't got the time to do it; main whm should do it. I think rdm is better.
My thoughts:
I am currently 51blm/25whm. I love /whm at these levels, because /rdm doesn't have much to offer to me for awhile.
Yes, blm is a primary DD, arguably the best in the game. However, this should not sway that you will need to pop off some beneficiary cures every now and then, and /whm will get you those cures faster.
Fighting anticans in Quicksand Caves, you realize how nice it is to have Cure III at hand when your pt gets whacked by a -ga spell. It prevents the whm of the group from being overstressed when watching 3 or 4 people slip into the yellow or red.
While it is true and people could argue that this is why whm has the Curaga line, the issue with that is that it draws massive amounts of hate if cast in battle, and the whm is almost sure to die as a result, which is very bad for the pt.
Having /whm will allow you to cure someone while the whm cures another, alleviating some of the strain.
At lv68, I fully intend to go /rdm as my main sub, because I will still have access to Cure III, along with Phalanx, Stoneskin, and Dispel. Until then, though, I am keeping /whm for quick access to valuable curative and enhancing magic that can benefit the pt I am in.
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I am currently 51blm/25whm. I love /whm at these levels, because /rdm doesn't have much to offer to me for awhile.
Yes, blm is a primary DD, arguably the best in the game. However, this should not sway that you will need to pop off some beneficiary cures every now and then, and /whm will get you those cures faster.
Fighting anticans in Quicksand Caves, you realize how nice it is to have Cure III at hand when your pt gets whacked by a -ga spell. It prevents the whm of the group from being overstressed when watching 3 or 4 people slip into the yellow or red.
While it is true and people could argue that this is why whm has the Curaga line, the issue with that is that it draws massive amounts of hate if cast in battle, and the whm is almost sure to die as a result, which is very bad for the pt.
Having /whm will allow you to cure someone while the whm cures another, alleviating some of the strain.
At lv68, I fully intend to go /rdm as my main sub, because I will still have access to Cure III, along with Phalanx, Stoneskin, and Dispel. Until then, though, I am keeping /whm for quick access to valuable curative and enhancing magic that can benefit the pt I am in.
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sub w/e you want..
to the idiots saaying erase is more inportant then dispell, plz stfu your being stupid, its a situational thing, if your fighting a crab, fooooooook erase, dispel is needed, if your fighting a den lizard, then erase is prolly needed more then dispel.
bottom line sub w/e the fook you want.
to the idiots saaying erase is more inportant then dispell, plz stfu your being stupid, its a situational thing, if your fighting a crab, fooooooook erase, dispel is needed, if your fighting a den lizard, then erase is prolly needed more then dispel.
bottom line sub w/e the fook you want.
in the later lvls stoneskin and blink are almost necessary fo the inevitable occaission you do pull hate, and for when you are sleeping links to prevent spell interuption.
For this reason /rdm isn't really considered useful until lvl 68blm. Of course if your 64+, have a bard in the pt and are fighting crabs, crawlers, or rdm or whm mobs dispel will be very useful.
Red mage only becomes the preferred sub once you start doing roaming parties in Shrine of Ru'Avitau around lvl 72 or so. The decreased recast timer on Aspir literally make you a machine, with a good refresher and black cloak you can go for 30 mins or so without resting and can easily cover for the whm when they need to rest.
So in answer to your quest you will need both levelled but for the first 68 or so levels whm is generally a better choice as a sub. Divine Seal and Curaga II can help your party out a lot and having 2 erase in a pt is great since it has a long recast timer.
Hope this helps ^^
For this reason /rdm isn't really considered useful until lvl 68blm. Of course if your 64+, have a bard in the pt and are fighting crabs, crawlers, or rdm or whm mobs dispel will be very useful.
Red mage only becomes the preferred sub once you start doing roaming parties in Shrine of Ru'Avitau around lvl 72 or so. The decreased recast timer on Aspir literally make you a machine, with a good refresher and black cloak you can go for 30 mins or so without resting and can easily cover for the whm when they need to rest.
So in answer to your quest you will need both levelled but for the first 68 or so levels whm is generally a better choice as a sub. Divine Seal and Curaga II can help your party out a lot and having 2 erase in a pt is great since it has a long recast timer.
Hope this helps ^^
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eh, it's getting old ... really?
I was discussing this with a lvl 34 BLM friend, she likes BLM but HATES to lvl whm.. so simply lvl RDM
pick which one u like better /RDM or /WHM ... it is flexiable, and since u have two options then pick the one that u like to lvl and go for it... don't Do something u hate.
I was discussing this with a lvl 34 BLM friend, she likes BLM but HATES to lvl whm.. so simply lvl RDM
pick which one u like better /RDM or /WHM ... it is flexiable, and since u have two options then pick the one that u like to lvl and go for it... don't Do something u hate.
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