Why is SCH hated?Follow

I just find it funny how some people say SCH needs to have certain things while other people call us overpowered. I actually had a run in with people and them being extremely pissed I had SCH leveled and used it. Saying it was to overpowered.

No one seems to notice all the penalties we have for use what is special and that what we can do is limited to subjobs. Not to mention all the gear that we can't use and the spells we don't have access to use. Even funnier that with our abilities it gives less work endgame for certain jobs and also improve what other jobs can do with use of weather spells.

Yet some people keep treating us badly for being SCH. People need to really go play the job before they can give their opinions of it and if you think SCH is that good, then go level it?

Sorry for rant, just a bit annoyed.

Meh with SCH, you gotta "spread the word". Also in parties you have to be on your best, to impress the ignorant so more can respect SCH for what it is. And WHMs need to quit worrying about being replaced by SCH.

The ultimate limitation we have is charge use.

wut? I <3 SCH for small-man events at endgame. SE got that job right IMO. So many advantages.

Edited, Jul 10th 2008 2:20pm by DubiousNinja

RDM is either healer or support, SCH is either healer or direct DD. Sch can support, but only to augment their healing ability (by subbing rdm). They're designed with completely different purposes in mind.

For the same reason that people first hated word processors and PC's. They wanted to keep their 'Typewriters'. They complained about that, tradition, workmanship, people losing jobs; and today the complainers are here using their be-hated PC's, hating on something new. Smart people adapetd and had markeatble skills earlier than the complainers.

There has to be some progress and some people will always balk at it. The game has evolved a bit. I went started as BLM w WHM sub and switched to SCH. Mage jobs area lot more fun and more demanding than melee, but I got really tired of being squishy, putting in solo hours when needed just to lvl BLM. The trade off for the weakness should have been Nuke power, but many Mele DD'd outdamaged me all the wya up to lvl 36 WITHOUT having to nrest MP in between. I can solo things w my drg back to back that my BLM can't, even though my blm is 10 levels higher and has to rest each mob. I can self- XP chain w my DRG, unthinkable with a mage.

Now obviously the elemenatl de-buffs, and the ability to backup heal go along way. A WHM main healer is still great especially with raise and tele's. But the melee class is still more over-powered.

The problem is not that SCH is too good, imo; the problem is that melee just does to much compared to the mage class. Now dancer and Bard are chipping away at the mage class as well. A long story short the mages needed to evolve a bit and SCH is a step in that direction, but still not at the level as some melee. Mybe SE needs to upgrade the 'typewriters' themselves and build them into PC's.

Hate the game, not the player.

Yes indeed, I only have whm leveled as a SJ and I completely agree with this. The only thing whm has going for it is Cure V. That's simply not enough. It need far more aggressive healer type abilities and spells.

That is a good point, however, every accession, no matter what it is, will give us hate. I will agree that SE went a bit far by giving us access to Stona. Besides Cure V, it was the only white magic usable by WHM.

Besides SCH is a new job and Cure V isn't the only thing WHM has going for them now. They have Protect/Shell V, Devotion and the other meritable ability, access to haste, regen III, RR III, RIII. IT is good that we have access tot he -na spells because its always hard endgame to have WHMs around to cast Stona on people or whatever else when WHM have to focus on healing the DD and tank. Using accession is also a MP eater and doubles recast timers. If we wanted to counter the effects of accession we would have to use 1-2 more stratagems leaving us down to 1 gem for a while. Also we are hurt if we had to jump from support to nuking which requires a gem to get to our unique spells.

I have yet to be used as a replacement for a WHM in merit or endgame. I have always had people complain about my job lacking haste. I always get placed in a PT with a WHM to help with support or in BLM PT has a storm/buff *****. I have yet to be used as a replacement for a BLM or RDM. Because BLM has more elemental magic skill and the ability to use spells SCH cannot use. RDM has access to stronger enfeebling magic and has higher skill. I have never heard LS leader tell someone to come another job because I was on SCH. I was even turned down from a LS on my server because they required everyone to have WHM RDM or BRD leveled to 75, they didn't consider SCH a strong enough support job and they are one of the best LS on this server.

So if SCH really is overpowered that badly or does enough to push WHM, RDM, BLM out of their job slots in merit or endgame then I wonder what it looks to be a weak support job then if I am treated this way but label as "overpowered". I really don't see why people are so worried about...now if SE gave SCH A+ rating to skills while in dark/light arts, and access to every spell in the game, every job trait RDM, WHM, BLM had and access to all the gear each job can use then...ya you guys can complain about us. =3

Edited, Jul 11th 2008 9:55am by Sayuriko

I think that the ppl that don't care, are the ones that both, understand what scholar really does and can do, AND understand that sch, whm, blm, rdm, ALL have their place, strong points, etc. and thus, know that none of the above are obsolete, they all have their places and uses, and not even a sch can take that from them.

Mages don't like it because:

A fresh-to-75 SCH can nuke on par with a fresh-to-75 BLM while maintaining greater versatility and self-sufficiency.
It can cast AOE status cures 10 times more often than a WHM and do it on other PTs to boot.
It can give other people phalanx without having to spend merits like a RDM.
Its AOE buffs easily eclipse most of the useful SMN party buffs.

Melees don't like it because:

It doesn't have haste.
It's not a bard.
Enspells make annoying sound effects, seriously.

Because it's imbalanced and can do thing as well as, if not better, than multiple mage jobs, without even half the gear and merits those jobs require. Strategem charges are an absolute joke of a limitation, and anyone who actually takes time to do the math knows that SCH is simply too good out of the box, with NQ gear and no JS merits.

It's useless for good merit parties because it doesn't have haste, but then again, so is BLM.

SE jumped the shark with that update.

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so what if it doesn't have haste? lol, enspells make up for any dmg lost, and to the person saying helixes were lol in endgame, they pretty much are :/ only mobs i've found them useful are salvage bosses, wit hthe same set up me helixing vs me not helixing the mob there was a 6 minute difference in time killed, from 14 to about 8 minutes