75BLU/? Lets fight? /saluteFollow

Im from Ifrit and a hardcore PvP PLD/RDM. I fought every job and combos, so far only one job can match me (RDM) and it was fierce fight which lasted almost 15min. If there is a Blu /whatever combo in Ifrit level 75, feel free to send me a /tell in game. I would love to fight a BLU/NIN and see its full potential. Any job can win just depends on strategy and skills.

I learn a lot about every job and my strength plus weakness during pvp.Fighting a Blu will help me improve, so be great to fight one.


My name is Enghorr ^_^ PLD/RDM please if your ifrit /tell me in game so my thirst for a good fight is quench. Thank you.

QFT^^ There is no way in hell a PLD could beat either a BLU or RDM unless they plain out sucked ***!

My 3 spell combo on RDM is Stoneskin, Phalanx, and Ice spikes. Everything else I cast after that is to add insult to injury. RDM's could easily Silence a PLD and Dispel all your buffs leaving you naked and feeble. RDM/BLM or /DRK can Aspir/Drain all your HP/MP reserves to own you that much quicker.

BLU's abilities would just rape you even faster. Frightful Roar alone would PWN your DEF and the constant spam of Headbutt would interrupt all casts. BLU's has Silence too so you will lose.

I see no point why you are challenging a BLU/NIN especially since you are subbing RDM. Diaga will take care of all the shadows making /NIN a gimp sub IMO> The only other thing /NIN offers is dual wield and the off-hand weapon stats.

I do commend you for going /rdm and not /NIN though. Some people never realize that Utsusemi doesn't have weaknesses. Please stick to fighting NIN/WAR as RDM or BLU will own you.

In regards of Silence I can remove that easily with Echo drops, and even if I was silence it wont last long with resist silence gear. I usually use Barparalyze instead of barsilence, and have 2 rings that has Enhance resist paralyze and resist silence. Ever since I fought my friend Damion in pvp as RDM/NIN, his Icespikes what really won the battle so I realize I need gear to resist Paralyze which I have. Today I fought him and I resisted a lot of his paralyze spells vs before, or I was not paralyze as much as I use to the 1st fight. He came as RDM/DRK, I beat him this time twice.

The RDM I fought is not crappy he is one damn good RDM which I respect a lot. First of all our 1st Battle I lost, but we were both at 5% HP. If your a BLU, you can sub anything you want and Ill love to have match with you in Ifrit.

I NEVER MEANT TO COME TO THIS FORUM AND START A WAR!

I just wanted to see if any BLU in Ifrit want to duel with me, because I love PVP and I learn so much about jobs strengths and weakness during PvP. So if I insulted or offended most of you, I apologize was not meant to fight in this forum simply asking for a duel. However if you think you can really own a PLD, then come to Ifrit ill Pvp you as PLD/RDM.

Anyways enough said, I never talked ****. Actually I have a lot of respect for each jobs strengths and abilities, I am not insecure about it people generals comments. If I loose, I loose but I will learn something from that fight. If I win, I win and I will learn something from that fight. Either way, I fight with respect and Honor all the time.

Much love for Blu, Im thinking of leveling Blu to 37 myself for my PLD. Again, this was not meant to offend any of you I just simply want to duel a Blue Mage and How well I do against one. Thanks

/salute

It's called Poisonga/Diaga.

DRK >>> NIN | /NIN because of that.

And I'd imagine BLU would be too.


Enghorr, you might should try Ifrit sever forum or /sea. There aren't many 75 BLUs, and those that have reached 75 have a great chance of missing Blue Mage's full potential.

RDM/BLU I can agree, I mean look at Avesta the well known RDM who solo HNMs. However the only difference vs me I have a mind not a computer. I wont disagree that RDM or BLU has more Tricks under there sleeves or they are powerful jobs because they are.

That is why I would love to fight the best of the best, so I become more skilled and push my full potential of my ability to fight. BTW they are gear that can resist stun.

Also one thing most people forget is PLD Shield is its Main asset vs any job. I have question, do most of Blu spells powerful attacks need TP for it to be use? Im just curious and anxious to learn more about BLU. thanks

What sort of gear is your friend using? From my experience enfeebling other players is stupidly easy. Although in fairness most of my enfeebling macros change my gear around to give me +49 Enfeebling magic skill (42 if Mst.Cst.Bracelets don't work in the area).

If the fight lasted 15 minutes then I suspect the RDM involved was tooling around. If he seriously wanted to kill you it should have been over in less than 3 and he shouldn't have been subbing NIN.

Enghorr, i know you came here with good intentions but dont ever.. ever expect to get non-biast answers in the job forums..

also coming in saying you "are unequaled" is a red flag saying "flame me!"

if you want actual serious responses only place to look would be in game..

p.s.
if i was blu 75 i'd pwn you :P (joke)

yea good point, maybe I did came out too strong. I shouldve been more tactful lol

Who cares about Blu > PLD or Rdm > PLD?

The real 1v1 should be Blu vs Blu or Rdm vs Rdm.

Everyone can own whm but does that make you proud?

some things to think about when fighting as or vs blu.

I've tried lv 50 cap ballista as blu and it was pretty good but wasn't as so uber hot as I thought it'd be.

I went as 50 blu/rdm

Spells I equipped were of course bludgeon, refuling, sickle slash, uppercut, battle dance, sheep song, wild oats, cocoon, and of course headbutt. I forget some other ones were in there but these were the ones I had macros written for and used alot.

So all in all, wasn't too bad, I could deal out the damage easily as blu with bludgeon and headbutt, but it was also incredibly annoying fighting people that

#1 hits fast,
#2 has high evasion,
#3 insane defense
#4 bound me

the bad parts of blu mage is that while we all think it's great to have a lot of defense with cocoon, it doesn't do all that much for our continual survival.

I quarry for poison pots so it's not really a big deal about getting slept.

Blu magic has bad spell casting distance. When bound I can't counter cast spells back at the mage or rng. They can be out of range and keep pecking at me.

vs thieves I had a tough time landing every bludgeon for full damage and even headbutt missed alot. Also with fast daggers it's quite annoying to try and time my casts w/o getting too many interrupts. Aquaveil helped me alot on that one.

Vs a pld/blu that put up cocoon and all their defense gear, it was basically impossible to do much damage cept for sickle slash. In retrospect I should have gone with mandibular bite but it's not possible to swap spells in mid fight.

With a ******* sword, shield, massive defense gear and higher str than my taru defense, I actually have lost to a very determined pld before. And yes, while you can try to perma stun the pld to death with headbutt, he can also interrupt you with shield bash and throw timing off.

Headbutts on pld's with def on is kind of crappy, I was maybe doing 12-30 damage and alot of time it didn't stun or appeared to not stun him. It was NOT possible to keep someone stunned indefinately. The recast time was insufficent to keep it up forever and if the target survives long enough we're kind of screwed.

oh ya I forgot to add I was also weak to paralyze. A few times it landed and I didn't have a paralyna handy which could have also screwed some stuff up if I didn't just run for it XD

With auto-refresh for the pld I do not see myself lasting in a prolonged fight with a pld.

Long fights are not blu mage area. Run out of MP way too fast.
That's another thing I noticed. Even just keeping it conservative with cocoon, and cures for defense mostly, and only attacking with bludgeon and headbutt alternations, I tend to burn through a good 50% of my MP in just a few minutes.

Surprising thing was vs blm, and other softer targets like rng's or mnk's with low def, bludgeon damage was very very good.

If you guys were there for the final ballista royale fight between the JP's and NA's where NA was firmly defeated 45 to 0, the whole JP team's tactic was iron defense. Their whm took barrage + sidewinder + sc + raging fist + vorporal blade and did not die.

I think if you are dead set on beating a blu, that's our biggest weakness too. We have a hard time with things that are very very high defense as most of our spells are physical. Magical defense doesn't mean much to us. And also endurance. Face it, blu does not endure long fights as nearly as well as other jobs like rdm.

Also if you dispel our cocoon blu is actually pretty squishy since our vit really sucks.

I think it'll be a very different fight at 75 though.
Blu can have auto refresh by then, as well as some very nasty moves like voratious trunk that can steal your buffs along with much more damaging spells like fenertic rip. the reactor overheat move that gives def up and ice spikes will also do alot for us. I have also heard good things about the 67 spell diamond hide with is like a 400 stoneskin and disseverment which is like a 16 hp/tic poison and damage attack too.

But then, I'm not 75 blu yet so it's just speculative for these.

On that note, I have managed to beat up some pld/nin's as blu (mostly I think they were trying to recast uts, but w/e) The one pld with crazy def gear took me down though. Damn thieves keep stealing petras and running, so I am not sure how well I could have done vs one if any stayed to fight.

In massed crazy fights, I can't say we're that great cause I didn't equip all my AOE spells but I can see that another thing to try out in future fights. Maybe it'd be worth it to get body slam to try out in the middle of an enemy party... could be fun.

And oh ya, blu 2h is kind of meh, I have not noticed it to be of any use in ballista yet.

Just some points I noticed in 50 cap ballista.

Blu is strong, it's just not invincible and it's no rdm.

Edited, Thu May 25 00:10:05 2006 by sudojoe

Why is everyone jumping down the OP's throat? I mean he was very honroable requesting a fight. He was NOT asking for you guys to explain how YOU think it would go. He wants to have fun and learn from it. If you were an up and coming boxer and were serious and turn pro, woudnt you want to fight the champ one day? Even knowing you are the underdog?

I do however agree with most of you that theoretically Blu would have the advantage and is the favorite in this scenerio. Please someone on Ifrit give him this fight and hopefully more then one 75 blu. Blue is a very versatile job, and will have different results in the hands of different people. A lot of people forget that a persons's quick thinking and skill counts for a lot here, not jsut the jobs abilities.

I do salute you OP for your challenge here. You jsut made the mistake of throwing this out in the Blu form so of course all the bias people will jump on the chance to defend their job.

Like he said, if he loses he loses and if he wins, he wins, he would enjoy the battle and learn form it. Everyone plese stop ******** at him and telling him how he is going to get pwn and go prove it.

Now that aside, I am leaning towards blu winning this fight we'll have to see. Goodluck to you though OP and whover challenges you, may the best man "not job" win!!

I beat a BLU easily in 60 cap with my RDM.

Yeah BLU has a ton of lightning fast stun moves, however one thing BLU's lack is range. All those moves require you to be very very close to me. RDM's spells can be casted MUCH further. I firstly diaga'd him, then sprinted a bit further, and nailed him with silence. He started meleeing me, i got a bind off between a hit. Then debuffed his ***, and nuked him.


BLU in uncapped is very unfair. Diamond Hide gives them a ******* 750 HP stoneskin. That's just...too much.

Edited, Thu May 25 11:10:54 2006 by TheHolyDragoonSeraphus