You Really Know Why Dragoon Sucks?

#102 May 11 2007 at 1:36 PM Rating: Decent

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Do drg's even have a cool anything cept the healing breath thing to make it outstanding??? I honestly can't think of much. We seriously lack a pazzaz move or item. Or if we already have it, it's not getting much press and I'd love to know what it might be and don't mention solo'ing power.

#1 Angon
#2 SJump (No other job can loose hate with one ja.)
#3 New 2hr
#4 Wyvern
#5 Your a DRAGOON!

It amazes me how many people still know very little about drg. (90% of ffxi)
Lets face it some drgs dont understand it either, this would be the reason we are having this discussion.

#2: Hide
#4: Avatars, Call Pet, Charm

>_> one could argue Acid Bolts to an extent.

Also, page

Edited, May 11th 2007 5:36pm by Brakki

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#103 May 11 2007 at 1:43 PM Rating: Decent

milich

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--- Ghosts have high resistance to blunt (50% dmg), so you will actually see lot less output from your BB mnk's on these. (there aren't even any high enough lv ghosts to even see how much of a difference it'd make to mnk dmg on an exp mob)They resist slashing and piercing a bit too but not as much (25%)

before lolToAU provided merit opportunities for everyone else, we monks were down in KRT getting chain 100+ on skeletons, hatis, and GHOSTS.

edit: to add something productive besides just flaming that foolish statement, the reason ghosts don't kill chains is that casting banish on them removes the blunt dmg penalty.

Edited, May 11th 2007 5:45pm by milich

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#104 May 11 2007 at 2:20 PM Rating: Decent

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lolthebrakki
thfs dont Hide after mele attacks.
Smn dont combine with there avatars though Astral Flow is wtfbadass

Ah yes the KRT days Ill have to take my mnk friends back there just so they can get an
Asuran Fists off after an Angon. :}
Fun stuff maybe if I get my staff lvld ill checkout ta Fullswing.
xping with bourdase is just no fun. :/

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#105 May 11 2007 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent

Zisaa

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I really hate to be the one argueing against how great DRG is, but sometimes you guys get really delusional about our roles.

Morquendii wrote:

If were talking about a normal exp session, drgs easily do as much if not more damage/per minute than the rest of the dd's. It's cuz everyone forgets to add in the wyverns damage which is like 25-30% on top of what your already doing. So if your already pushing out numbers around the other dd's add 30% for your wyvern and that's what your doing over and above what the rest of the dd's are pumping out.

Yes and no. Depending on the mob, level, equipment, subjob, and blah blah blah its going to differ. Can DRGs out dmg other DD's with wyvern dmg? Yes. Is it going to happen "easily" like you say? Hell no. And if you really think thats truth, please pass me what you're smoking.

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Now as to HNM's and Gods, your there for your angons and 2hrs. -20% defense is huge against those suckers especially the high def guys like Genbu and Admontoise. Your there to toss your angons, open up light or darkness chains and then get the hell out of there. Your 2hrs also pushes down the mobs def by another 20% (jump)

Wasnt the rumor about this dispelled in another thread that Angon and Spirit Surge Jumps do not stack onto each other? I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

Outdoing mediocre DD's in a merit session and then posting the parses isnt exactly something to boast about on the forums here. Post a parse without a MNK/NIN doing most of the tanking (or without a MNK/THF using sushi) and some higher caliber DD's and see how you fair against them. So far the best one I've seen is this one . And even Faffy admits not expect similar results with BB MNKs and Riddleberk WARs.

One thing that would very useful to the rest of us is posting the gear that DD's being compared are wearing.

I'm going to go drink now.

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#106 May 11 2007 at 7:15 PM Rating: Decent

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Zisaa wrote:

I'm going to go drink now.

Me too.

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ketrel wrote:

I'm here to have fun not @#%^ing sub NIN so some lazy *** WHM (or whom ever the healer was) gets to watch TV while they play FFXI.

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You're all @#%^ing morons.

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I knew you were in some way handicapped but i didn't think it was that severe , i'm sorry for you ;_;.

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#107 May 12 2007 at 5:43 AM Rating: Decent

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I'm off the drink. So's my mate, he had 47 units on Monday and ended up in hospital. It was jokes!

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#108 May 12 2007 at 7:33 AM Rating: Good

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Considering all the effort I've put forth to parse at the same level as a good, Destroyer using MNK, it's ridiculous to think that an AH DRG could hope to do that.

I've, BARELY outparsed a ridill WAR on colibri. I've also been pretty well beaten by one with ridill, adaberk, and juggy, and probably a lot of other nice things but I don't examine. I've outparsed a well geared Destroyers MNK, and I've been even with a BB MNK on colibri, where he was getting hate so often he couldn't eat the best food available, whereas with my hate shedding jumps I could eat something a little better (I think he used 4 times more food than me). And I've been outparsed by a few % by an Amanomurakumo SAM.

In a recent post I showed how making slight alterations can change who is outparsing who. The littlest tweaks like switching to another food and failing to adjust your gear accordingly can kill your DoT. And the people who use the exact same setup for every situation will find they excel in certain areas but are disappointed in others.

You CAN be the best DD very often. I think the base argument that things always boil down to is can the best DRG possible beat the best WAR or MNK possible, and even that I can't answer. Because, what criteria do you gauge them on? Just damage? What about adding things to the party itself? What about damage taken? What mobs do we test this on? Do the mobs do things that are more detrimental to one job than another?

No one will EVER generate a definitive answer to this, so just do the best you can and say ********** you" to generalizers.

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#109 May 12 2007 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent

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Bravo, Faffy!

ket, dead horse icon, prease.

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