How Store TP really worksFollow

I've heard many rumors about how Store TP works. So far, they've all been completely wrong, and showed obvious lack of testing.
The most common one I hear is that whatever your +Store TP, you get that divided by 10 added per hit (so Store TP+1 would give you 0.1 TP more per hit). This is easily proven false.
The second theory I hear is that TP gain varies depending on the level of what you're fighting, TW mobs giving more than IT. This is also very, very easily proven false.

Here's how it really works. I've done extensive testing (I'll include my notes at the end of this), and it's fairly obvious, once you get past a few hurdles.
If this has already been posted before, I'm sorry, I didn't see it. At any rate, an additional post on the subject couldn't hurt, considering how many are misinformed about the topic.

Every time you receive a new Store TP job trait, your skill is set to a certain level. These are the levels:
Level 10 Samurai: Store TP = 10
Level 30 Samurai: Store TP = 15
Level 50 Samurai: Store TP = 20
Level 70 Samurai: Store TP = 25 [I haven't been able to confirm this, personally, but I've heard convincing reports toward it - feel free to experiment]
None of these are nerfed in any way by subbing SAM. It's exactly the same (proportionate to your SAM level, of course).

Whenever you equip something with a Store TP+ value on it, that value goes toward your skill (obvious enough).
So, if you're a level 50 Samurai and you equip the Shinimusha Haidata, you have Store TP at 20+6=26. If you equip both the Haidate and Hara-ate, you have Store TP at 20+9+6=35. If you're a WAR/SAM at level 30 equipping the Katana Obi, you get 10+1=11. Simple enough.

Whenever you hit something, or you get hit (yes, Store TP does affect TP gained when hit, too, though it's obviously much less noticable), you get a base TP gain depending on your weapon's delay (or a flat 2.1% if getting hit - this is unaffected by your weapon). Here's a few base values:
Getting Hit: 2.1%
Delay 195: 5.3%
Delay 236: 6.3%
Delay 450: 11.3%
Delay 504: 12.3%

Assuming you have Store TP (ie. you're a level 10 Samurai, or a 20+ job subbing Samurai), you'll get an additional percentage of the base TP. This percentage is, surprise, your Store TP value. If you have Store TP at 20, you get an additional 20%. If you have Store TP at 35, you get an additional 35%.
A few more examples, in the case of a level 50 Samurai wearing the Shinimusha Haidate (Store TP = 26):
Getting Hit: 2.6% (base 2.1%)
Delay 195: 6.6% (base 5.3%)
Delay 236: 3.9% (base 6.3%)
Delay 450: 14.2% (base 11.3%)

Obviously, the higher the delay of your weapon, the greater the effect of Store TP.
What this means is that with a full Shinimusha set and a 450 Delay weapon, at level 50-69, you'll be gaining 15.2% TP per hit, as opposed to 13.5% without the set. You'll also gain 2.8% every time you get hit, as opposed to 2.5%.

That may not seem like a lot at first, but add it up through a few rounds, and it's a very noticable difference. Not Godly in any way, no, but certainly better than what most people describe the Shinimusha set as: Useless.



Below are my test notes. They're not very pretty (even less so here than in my text file), as they were meant only for myself, but at least they should indicate that I'm not pulling these numbers out of my ***. Peruse at will.

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29THF,D195: 5 10 15 21 26 31 (33) 39 44 49 55 60 (62) 67 73 78 83 89 94 99 104 = 5.3%
30WAR,D195: 5 10 15 21 26 31 - 42 47 53 (55) - 65 71 76 81 86 92 97 102 = 5.3%
42SAM,D195: 6 12 18 24 30 36 42 48 54 60 66 72 78 84 90 96 102 = 6.0%
52SAM,D195: 6 12 18 25 31 37 = 6.3%
52SAM,D195: 6 13 19 26 33 39 46 52 59 66 72 79 85 92 99 105 = 6.6% (Store TP+6)
29THF,D236: 6 12 (14) 21 27 33 39 46 52 58 65 71 77 84 90 96 102 = 6.3%
14SAM,D236: 6 13 20 27 34 (36) 43 50 57 (59) 66 73 = 6.9%
15SAM,D236: 6 13 20 27 - 41 = 6.9%
15SAM,D236: 6 13 20 27 34 41 48 = 6.9% (Store TP+1)
42SAM,D236: 7 14 21 28 36 43 50 57 64 72 79 86 93 100 108 115 122 = 7.2%
52SAM,D236: 7 15 22 30 37 45 = 7.5%
52SAM,D236: 7 15 23 31 39 47 55 63 71 = 7.9% (Store TP+6)
No Store TP (theoretical), D450: = 11.3%
42SAM,D450: 12 25 38 51 64 77 90 103 116 129 141 = 12.9%
52SAM,D450: 13 27 40 54 67 81 = 13.5%
52SAM,D450: 14 28 42 56 71 = 14.2% (Store TP+6)
30WAR,D504: 12 24 36 49 61 73 86 98 110 = 12.3%
15SAM,D504: 13 27 40 54 67 81 94 108 = 13.5%
15SAM,D504: 13 27 40 54 68 81 95 108 = 13.6% (Store TP+1)

42SAM,Def D195: 2 4 7 9 12 14 16 19 21 24 26 = 2.4%
29THF,Def D236: 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 21 23 25 27 29 31 33 35 37 39 42 44 46 = 2.1%
14SAM,Def D236: 2 4 6 9 11 = 2.3%
15SAM,Def D504: 2 4 6 9 11 = 2.3%
42SAM,Def D236: 2 4 7 9 12 14 16 19 21 24 26 28 31 33 36 = 2.4%
42SAM,Def D450: 2 4 7 9 12 14 16 19 21 24 26 = 2.4%
52SAM,Def D450: 2 5 7 10 12 = 2.5%
52SAM,Def D450: 2 5 7 10 13 15 18 20 = 2.6% (Store TP+6)

Sounds like proudctive testing instead of all these theories about TP being at a fixed .x something per +STORE TP.The problem I'm facing now is that the only way to really take advantage of this tp gain trait under these cirumstances would be for me to wear both the jse and shinimusha pants. Which together would make a nice TP gain but theres one slight problem.
Im 58 and in about 15k exp i can wear hauby , so the question arise 10acc+10attack+5str+5dex vs store tp+9 ... The choice sounds rather simple.
But for levels 50-59 I must say that the shinimusha set isn't too bad but its hard to pass up hauby stats @ 59.
Either way nice to see some real results.

thanks dude =) i wish i could rank you up!

Rate up!

Nice to see someone not only posting a valid theory, but also the reasoning and evidence behind it. I get sick of all those people who swear on a "fact", cause everyone knows its true, cause everyone says so, when everyone probably heard it from someone who heard it from some kid who said "Oh! When I spin around three times and do /hurray, the goblin drops his bomb!"

Wow, finally a theory that actually makes sense and has solid proof to back it. This helps me out a bunch and has given me another inspriation to get some of the Store TP gear out there. Thanks a bunch for the info!

Perhaps I should clear up that this post was not mainly to establish Shinimusha as good armor (though I think it is, from 50-59).
Rather, my post was to clarify the mechanics of Store TP, and simply used the most prominent StoreTP+ equipment as an example.



You have a point, but I don't agree entirely.
Just how often do you start off at 0 TP?
What's more important to you? Getting from 0 to 100 in the fewest hits possible, or catching up to that second SC partner when you're at 85%?
A few extra TP per hit is always useful. No matter if you land at 99% or 100% after seven hits (or whatever), you'll get out of sync every so often, and that extra 2-3% TP might save you.

Some of the items Brygid wants you to wear are up to level 60 :/

The theory is that it's designed to allow people beyond the level cap for the Promyvion Missions to get appropriate gear without having to buy whole new sets of kit.

You can use a higher level job to get kit for a lower levelled one tho, which I personally think slightly off, but that's the way it is :/

Good, it seems we're in agreement, then. I wasn't aware that it had been posted before - thank you.
Also, that Delay formula rocks. I never got around to figuring that out - I just checked all of them manually. Good find.

Whoa!

Finally a straight answer. I really appreciate the testing. I had a question though:

How is the base percentage calculated for each weapon?

I did a little math and it looks like the ratio seems like:

Delay
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4000

Show your work.

 
11.3           450 
-----    =    -----    =    (11.3x = 45000)    =    (x = 3982.3) 
 100            x 

Is this correct?

... This thread isn't stickied yet? Egads!

i like this, hope it ges stickied

Assumming you do not sub /SAM and have no StoreTP traits or StoreTP+ equipment, TP gain would be thus:

492 Delay:

(492 + 480) / 80 = 12.15

504 Delay:

(504 + 480) / 80 = 12.3

Alirght i like your theory proves correct in most cases. Im lvl 75 samurai with full hachiman armor, so as a result i have store TP + 35 (give or take a few) and yes it does add 35% like you mentioned. BUT, how do you explain the fact that my tp gain varries? Some hits i may earn 20%TP and other i may get 14%TP. Why does it randomize the amount gained? Sorry if i may have missed something in replys or the thread about this i was was just glancing through.