THF/NIN or NIN/THFFollow

Well the question you should ask yourself is "Do i want to dual wield or not?" because you can only dual wield with Ninja as your main job, not sub job... or so ive been told.

the first reply is wrong, i'm afraid. u can dual wield with ninja as support job as well.
the reason y thief/ninja is better than the other way around is cuz if u choose ninja as main job, u can't use triple attack. plus, thief has slightly better stats than ninja: it has 1 more stat point in dex. since neither ninja nor thief can cast spells, int n charisma dont matter, and they both have same 'mind' stats..so thief is better in stat-wise.

better stats+evasion bonus+triple attack leads to superiority of thief/ninja or ninja/thief.

if you have a thief and have a ninja as a sub that is at least lv 10 then u can dual-weild. Plus why would you want to use thief/ninja because then the thief gets triple attack as at 35.

Can you still use the Ninjitsu with NIN as a subjob?

THF/NIN is the obvious way to go becuase its pretty clear that the ninja is a support job becuase of its lack of abilities.
Oh and triple attack with duel weild would rock(a chance for six attacks a round) so ya i would think THF/NIN

THF/NIN is the obvious way to go becuase its pretty clear that the ninja is a support job becuase of its lack of abilities.
Oh and triple attack with duel weild would rock(a chance for six attacks a round) so ya i would think THF/NIN.and the thief doesnt get triple attack till 55 not 35

Summoner is a supporting job (for the MP regen, Increased INT/MND, yes their pets will do nothing much, save for mini heals and minor effects, but the standing MP regeneration is great)

Granted, Summoner is not a very likely supporting job, but that has nothing to do with this thread, sorry...

Thief / Warrior is more powerful than Thief / Ninja. (Dual Weapons) = DMG + DMG and then you get to add Delay + Delay!

The time for the delay x2 reduces as you gain more levels in Ninja! At level 30 Ninja Delay is about = to (Delay x2 /1.3)

Two daggers, 19 dmg / 180 delay at level 30 NIN = 277 delay


Truly, Ninja / Thief is a great character... You get Sneak attack, FLEE (This is awesome), Trick attack, x2 Evasion bonus. The Ninja's Ninjitsu are great at level 70, you can bind monsters with a 4 second recasting time... (using items however) At level 70 Ninja dual attack Delay = about Delay x2 /1.9)

Two daggers, 19 dmg / 180 delay at level 30 NIN = 190 delay


Don't let people from NA tell you how to play a game that came out in Japan... (Only because of the time it has been in Japan vs. the time it has been in NA)

Don't worry about Ninja 2 hour ability, it is for groups with Re-raise, or Raise

Thank you, and good night...

Usako

THF is cool but their AF armor really looks ugly. Green puffy t-shirt like and puffy green pants that show half naked leg etc. That is the reason I am not making it my main. (worst armor look in game) lol I don't wana look like peterpan or robin hood man whats up with that with the designers making it like that?

Well, to be perfectly honest I was going strictly on info before the patch we all got when we first got the game. From what I understand that changed some of the ninja delay stuff and such so NIN/THF became badass again. What I plan on going to now. (BTW: if you ask me, the Ninja AA's are a million times better, especially with a built in Strider Boots effect.)

um.... I'm a wee bit confused.

I just started a Ninja recently and have finally gotten that wonderful dual wield ability. After reading this post I decided to check out this timing thingy you were talking about. Here's what I tested on a stop watch at home (same dagger was used in ALL trials)...

As THF / NIN

Dagger in prime and shield in off hand - 2.6 seconds between attacks

Dagger in Prime and same dagger in off hand - 2.6 secondsbetween attacks


As NIN / THF

Dagger in prime and nothing in off hand - 2.6 seconds between attacks

Dagger in Prime and same dagger in off hand - 2.6 seconds between attacks

Is this something that gets progessively better with the ninja as the main as you level? Why would someing in my left hand effect the delay in my right hand? Doens't that almost make "dual wielding" pointless then?

And I don't believe that your Damage + Damage thing is that accurite of a statement concidering they are 2 seperate hits. Although what I did notice was that if I had a slower dagger in my prime my off hand would follow it's delay rate, not add to it, just match it. Which still doesn't make sence to me, but that's probably just because I'm use to EQ dual weilding rules.

Can anyone elaborate on this messed up subject lol

I'm just about to reach Ninja so I haven't tested this out yet myself. But what you're saying is you have nothing or a shield in secondary hand and you're swinging at 2.6 sec..And when you have both daggers in each hand you're swinging at the same delay? That's what you posted anyways...If that's the case there wouldn't be anything to complain about, you'd be doing twice the damage in the same ammount of time. The duel wielding delay is supposed to lower down as you level further in Ninja. I don't think that it does for Thief. But from what I understand it just adds the delay of both weapons. So if you have two daggers that are 180 delay you'll be swinging both daggers at the same time at a 360 delay. So lets say the daggers are i dunno, 10/180 for example..basically its just like swinging a weapon that is 20/360 which wouldnt seem too great to me. I dunno, I want to test it out for myself but it seems like duel wielding in this game is gunna suck.

That was refering to actual passive skills, not scroll spells. Ninja is massively deprived of any good traits, unlike almost every other class. They get Stealth, Dual Wield, Resist Bind, and Resist Gravity. That's it. No handy damage dealing skills, nothing. As for subbing thief, yeah, you do get most of the nifty thief skills.....at absurdly high levels. (30 for sneak, 50 for flee, 60 for trick)

I've had my ninja for a while now, and am working on the Tenshodo quests for my ninjitsu, but I won't be maining it anymore. Once you get it and look for parties, not many people want you, as you're not as useful as a normal thief is most times, not until high levels do ninja's get really useful. Until you're ready to get your ninja some absurd levels in, you may not enjoy it. =\

ok someone please give a dual wield equation for a lvl 70 thf/nin ? remember also its not adding the damage of the weapons together.. its 2 different swings.. so its double the chance to do triple attack ( unless Triple attack only works on mainhand) its also 2 damage bonus's so its not the same as adding the damage together.. plus the delay equations are (delay + delay)/ (some unknown number) I see 1.4, 1.5, 1.3.. who is right... thf/nin is the class that I wanted to do since the game first came out. Now I am second guessing myself and considering switching thf to a sub and doing drk or sam main... can anyone clarify the dual wield equation at each ninja upgrade please?