Level 60 Damage IssuesFollow

A quick question from you guys on damage. So I hit Lv.62 only to find that my normal SATA only did like 200-300 damage SATA+DE doing 400-600 this is on tomoras, processenairs, and even lower against orcs. A lot of time the initial SATA dont even turn the Mob. what are my doing wrong? My gear is the standard thief gear. AF stuff, Black cote, emp pin...ect.Just dont have the stuff like peacock charm and Specticles. If anyone can give me some pointers it would be appreciated.

700 is gimp, I hit 800-900 on IT and my current record is 1132.

Umm.. about DE...

This is my opinion about Dancing Edge, i can be wrong, but i just wanna share my point of view ^^

DE its a innacurate 5x hit right?... ok. DE, alone make's 5 hits based on Accu, Attack, and CHR (yes, dont slap me yet, but CHR do make DE do more dmg)

Each of that 5x attacks land if you have 'luck' and 'accuracy'. But if you set your best accuracy gear (only) you will find that DE do land more (u can check that on the TP in return to see how many hits land).

The problem now is that, each hit of that 5x hits, will do X Dmg on the enemy, that dmg its based on your 'attack/str' and on CHR (less ratio).

SATA-DE, so far as i have see it from all my levels testing it solo and on PTs, make a damage without 'multipliers'. its just the SA dmg + TA dmg + DE dmg. That's why, when DE only land '1' hit, you will find yourself doing just a dmg near to your common 'SATA'.

And, other think...

DE, cos its a 'innacurate' 5x hit. Not only depend on your skils, depend on the 'enemy' skills to 'evade' and on their 'def'...

If you pop all your Accu, vs a IT Crab on PT, you will find that your DE do a crap dmg, that's why, when doing SATA-DE you need to pop your Best DEX/AGI + STR/Attack (my opinion based on my experience) cos its better to make DE miss a few hits, than hitting for a crap-damage. But, we thief's need to be versatile, that why... :

If you fight a Periton prolly you can do more dmg just focusing on DEX-AGI, cos birds are weak to piercing, so the dmg output you can do will be much better than others using non-piercing weapons.

If you fight a Torama, high eva without great defence, you will need to focus on Accu<Dex<Agi<Str cos your dmg on him can be low, if you miss many DE-hits.

If you fight a Crab, you dont need big 'accu' cos crabs dont have high eva natural, but they have a awesome def. So you will need to focus on Attack-Dex<Agi<Accu.

Well that's my opinion, i hope it helps. So far at 75 i have around 5 sets of armor Dex<Accu<Eva<Magic-def<Utsusemi-haste-cast and i wish they add a new GBag quest ^^;;

Interesting opinion Neotokio, I've been playing around myself with gear to maximize my DE attack and at this moment I'm trying out to go exactly like you laid it out as in different gear depending on different mob. Currently when I'm doing DE I swap max Acc gear which netted me acc+33 but I think I need to swap more agi to maximize the damage output maybe using the 2xAGI+3rings (I'm using TA+WS only for worry free hate control)

so I'll find out as soon as I can find the AGI+3 rings up for sale on AH ^^

Edited, Tue Feb 22 13:45:38 2005 by Nurse

Don't sling mud at somone and then act surprised and offended when they sling some back.

I had the same problem on toramas, cockatrice, and antlion. Fighting toramas I decided /nin was a must have. Pulls are just too far in there sometimes, with toramas running too fast, and hitting too hard, hitting too fast...I really think /nin is essential unless the place isn't camped at all and you can do short pulls.

I also used sushi instead of meat dishes to consistently catch up with my sc partner. I find, as most do, that that is more effective for overall pt damage.

So using /nin with sushi instead of /war with meat dishes, I can understand hitting a little lower on these crazy high def high evasion post 60 mobs...


That was rather arrogant. I won't "sling mud" at you play style though, saying that I can thus infer from your statement that you probably focus so much on dmg that your effectiveness is sacrificed in other areas. That is quite good dmg, and your gear is outstanding, but I would never dream of using /war in onzozo (unless of course youre the only pt there and therefore pulls are short, but you can never count on an assumption that another pt won't show up), and for another thing I rarely stack SA and TA. 700 is not "gimp" when you take away some of your harder to get gear, berserk, and SA. It's simply less damage.

Or is it? Perhaps with sushi, hornetneedle offhand, combat casters boomerang +1/+2, priming TA before pull, come back, TA, SA, TA+WS, and quick tp gain for another uber sc? If that scheme actually comes off correctly, not only would the personal damage be closer to /war, but the overall effectiveness of the PT would likely be improved.