Nyjaa does have a point about our melee dmg being pathetic.
Lets look at it this way:
The Mnk ws does 350 dmg, but his total dmg from regular attacks is 595.
The Thf ws does 500 dmg, but his total dmg from regualr attacks is 273.
Every hit the mnk did had more dmg, and more then made up for a weak ws. This is why so many other DDs can replace thfs in a pt.
Thief always gets the shaftFollow
I don't think THF gets the shaft. I play both THF and NIN and currently see THF as the more survivable of the two.
I know the train I defeated the other night could not have been defeated as NIN main solo. A NIN had trained about 8 Kuftal Robber Crabs to the zone on top of a party (no need for sneak?). I had 8 Crabs on me making shadows useless in well under the time required for a recast. I popped on evasion gear and chain drained them all to death. Going NIN/WHM in that situation would have ended badly, I'm glad I was there as THF. The use of expendable items is what eliminates downtime when on NIN, bolts are expendables and allow drains without MP worries.
When it comes to soloing an enemy, I'd rather be on THF than NIN. The katana weaponskills are nice, but the dagger ones seem to pack a bigger punch, especially if I can set up for a mid-fight SA+WS. The only ones I really like out of the katana line are Retsu (have to love paralyze in a WS), Chi, Jin, and Ten. I do admit, the enfeebles NIN has are awesome and go a VERY long way in making sure that you and the enemy aren't playing on the same level.
In terms of weaponskill ratings, THF isn't the only one with an "A-" skill. There is no Axe, Club, Staff, Dagger, Throwing, Bow, X-Bow, Great Sword, or Katana rating on anyone above "A-"
DRK = A- with Great Sword
THF = A- with Dagger
NIN = A- with Katana (Quest WS isn't until 72)
RNG = A- with Archery
RNG = A- with Marksmanship
BST = A- with Axe
WAR = A- with Axe
PLD = A- with Club
PLD = A- with Staff
NIN = A- with Throwing
The difference between THF and many of the other A- weilding classes is that we focus much of our attribute load into DEX, indirectly increasing melee ACC.
Soloing Steelshells? THF definately, do Ni --> Ni tanking and fire a few Bloody Bolts to recover HP after Bubble Shower. Scissor Guard? Pop an Acid Bolt into it. To be honest Aquarius is not much harder than a Steelshell, he does attack faster and take longer to bring down but his connect rate is very low. I can do him in barely over 15 mins (2 Mugs).
I intend to bring both jobs up to 75 (10K from 70 on NIN as of right now) because they each have different tanking styles. If I was doing Bone types, I'd much rather be on NIN since HP drains won't happen to them via Bolts. Many people alter setups for specific situations, but both jobs do an outstanding job when it comes to evasion tanking.
I know the train I defeated the other night could not have been defeated as NIN main solo. A NIN had trained about 8 Kuftal Robber Crabs to the zone on top of a party (no need for sneak?). I had 8 Crabs on me making shadows useless in well under the time required for a recast. I popped on evasion gear and chain drained them all to death. Going NIN/WHM in that situation would have ended badly, I'm glad I was there as THF. The use of expendable items is what eliminates downtime when on NIN, bolts are expendables and allow drains without MP worries.
When it comes to soloing an enemy, I'd rather be on THF than NIN. The katana weaponskills are nice, but the dagger ones seem to pack a bigger punch, especially if I can set up for a mid-fight SA+WS. The only ones I really like out of the katana line are Retsu (have to love paralyze in a WS), Chi, Jin, and Ten. I do admit, the enfeebles NIN has are awesome and go a VERY long way in making sure that you and the enemy aren't playing on the same level.
In terms of weaponskill ratings, THF isn't the only one with an "A-" skill. There is no Axe, Club, Staff, Dagger, Throwing, Bow, X-Bow, Great Sword, or Katana rating on anyone above "A-"
DRK = A- with Great Sword
THF = A- with Dagger
NIN = A- with Katana (Quest WS isn't until 72)
RNG = A- with Archery
RNG = A- with Marksmanship
BST = A- with Axe
WAR = A- with Axe
PLD = A- with Club
PLD = A- with Staff
NIN = A- with Throwing
The difference between THF and many of the other A- weilding classes is that we focus much of our attribute load into DEX, indirectly increasing melee ACC.
Soloing Steelshells? THF definately, do Ni --> Ni tanking and fire a few Bloody Bolts to recover HP after Bubble Shower. Scissor Guard? Pop an Acid Bolt into it. To be honest Aquarius is not much harder than a Steelshell, he does attack faster and take longer to bring down but his connect rate is very low. I can do him in barely over 15 mins (2 Mugs).
I intend to bring both jobs up to 75 (10K from 70 on NIN as of right now) because they each have different tanking styles. If I was doing Bone types, I'd much rather be on NIN since HP drains won't happen to them via Bolts. Many people alter setups for specific situations, but both jobs do an outstanding job when it comes to evasion tanking.
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DRK = A- with Great Sword
THF = A- with Dagger
NIN = A- with Katana (Quest WS isn't until 72)
RNG = A- with Archery
RNG = A- with Marksmanship
BST = A- with Axe
WAR = A- with Axe
PLD = A- with Club
PLD = A- with Staff
NIN = A- with Throwing
THF = A- with Dagger
NIN = A- with Katana (Quest WS isn't until 72)
RNG = A- with Archery
RNG = A- with Marksmanship
BST = A- with Axe
WAR = A- with Axe
PLD = A- with Club
PLD = A- with Staff
NIN = A- with Throwing
DRK = A+ with Scythe
NIN = Tank, damage is just a bonus.
RNG = Best damage dealer in the game, A- means nothing with all the +racc and +ratt they can accumulate added together with their weapons base damage.
BST = Has pets.
WAR = A+ with Great Axe
PLD = Tank, damage is just a bonus.
Where's thiefs A+ weapon? Oh yeah, that's right, SHAFTED! You would have a point if DRK and WAR had an A- in their best weapons and a C+ in their next best weapon (THF with dagger/marksmanship, imagine a DRK with C+ in GS trying to get TP! lol). Now imagine if THF was like these jobs and got an A+ in their best weapon and an A- in their second best. A+ in dagger and A- in marksmanship, we would be status bolt machines no doubt, but I don't think it would be too overpowered when you look at... say... a DRK using sata+spinning slash. i mean since status bolts are generally weaker we wouldn't be a ranger and unless we subbed ranger wouldn't get any use out the ws's (why would you want to anyways?), but it would make the job much more fun. an extra outlet for TP gain and the ability to debuff monsters, it would definitely make up for our crappy DoT. all this not to mention that we'd be able to do a lot more in god fights, the rangers could stick to dealing damage without even bothering to use status bolts.
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DRK = A- with Great Sword
THF = A- with Dagger
NIN = A- with Katana (Quest WS isn't until 72)
RNG = A- with Archery
RNG = A- with Marksmanship
BST = A- with Axe
WAR = A- with Axe
PLD = A- with Club
PLD = A- with Staff
NIN = A- with Throwing
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DRK = A+ with Scythe
NIN = Tank, damage is just a bonus.
RNG = Best damage dealer in the game, A- means nothing with all the +racc and +ratt they can accumulate added together with their weapons base damage.
BST = Has pets.
WAR = A+ with Great Axe
PLD = Tank, damage is just a bonus.
Where's thiefs A+ weapon? Oh yeah, that's right, SHAFTED! You would have a point if DRK and WAR had an A- in their best weapons and a C+ in their next best weapon (THF with dagger/marksmanship, imagine a DRK with C+ in GS trying to get TP! lol). Now imagine if THF was like these jobs and got an A+ in their best weapon and an A- in their second best. A+ in dagger and A- in marksmanship, we would be status bolt machines no doubt, but I don't think it would be too overpowered when you look at... say... a DRK using sata+spinning slash. i mean since status bolts are generally weaker we wouldn't be a ranger and unless we subbed ranger wouldn't get any use out the ws's (why would you want to anyways?), but it would make the job much more fun. an extra outlet for TP gain and the ability to debuff monsters, it would definitely make up for our crappy DoT. all this not to mention that we'd be able to do a lot more in god fights, the rangers could stick to dealing damage without even bothering to use status bolts.
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DRK = A- with Great Sword
THF = A- with Dagger
NIN = A- with Katana (Quest WS isn't until 72)
RNG = A- with Archery
RNG = A- with Marksmanship
BST = A- with Axe
WAR = A- with Axe
PLD = A- with Club
PLD = A- with Staff
NIN = A- with Throwing
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DRK = A+ with Scythe
NIN = Tank, damage is just a bonus.
RNG = Best damage dealer in the game, A- means nothing with all the +racc and +ratt they can accumulate added together with their weapons base damage.
BST = Has pets.
WAR = A+ with Great Axe
PLD = Tank, damage is just a bonus.
Where's thiefs A+ weapon? Oh yeah, that's right, SHAFTED! You would have a point if DRK and WAR had an A- in their best weapons and a C+ in their next best weapon (THF with dagger/marksmanship, imagine a DRK with C+ in GS trying to get TP! lol). Now imagine if THF was like these jobs and got an A+ in their best weapon and an A- in their second best. A+ in dagger and A- in marksmanship, we would be status bolt machines no doubt, but I don't think it would be too overpowered when you look at... say... a DRK using sata+spinning slash. i mean since status bolts are generally weaker we wouldn't be a ranger and unless we subbed ranger wouldn't get any use out the ws's (why would you want to anyways?), but it would make the job much more fun. an extra outlet for TP gain and the ability to debuff monsters, it would definitely make up for our crappy DoT. all this not to mention that we'd be able to do a lot more in god fights, the rangers could stick to dealing damage without even bothering to use status bolts.
I think I showed my point rather well, we aren't the only one to get "A-" rated weapons. Why does an "A-" in our main weapon make any difference when you compare it to a NIN, for example?
DRK = A+ with Scythe
They usually use GS post 66 to close Light unless they do a 300%TP Spiral Hell. Great Sword is an A- weapon, nobody has it higher.
NIN = Tank, damage is just a bonus.
NIN is the only class that has to wait until 72 to be able to open their Quested WS. I don't understand why an A- is okay for NIN, but not for THF in this situation. Katana is an A- weapon, nobody has it higher.
RNG = Best damage dealer in the game, A- means nothing with all the +racc and +ratt they can accumulate added together with
RNG is a distanced fighter like BLM. The +RACC/+RATT was exactly the point I was trying to show with THF's DEX loadout.
BST = Has pets.
...and an A- in their best weapon as well. Axe is an A- weapon, nobody has it higher.
WAR = A+ with Great Axe
...yet many prefer to go WAR/NIN and weild two axes or multihit weapons. Axe = A-.
PLD = Tank, damage is just a bonus.
...and it shows that nobody can get a higher staff skill than this tank. Staff = A- weapon, nobody has it higher.
If you want to take another look at it, you'll only actually see several jobs that even get an A+ weapon.
DRK = Scythe
WAR = Great Axe
DRG = Polearm
PLD = Sword
SAM = Great Katana
MNK = H2H
I don't honestly think a finger can be pointed at THF in this situation. There are 9 different weapons that don't have A+ users, only 6 of them do. Out of the 15 jobs available, only 6 jobs have an A+ rating in a weapon.
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Where's thiefs A+ weapon?
Where is the A+ weapon for BST, WHM, NIN, RDM, BLM, RNG, BRD, and SMN? You can point out that they receive A+ bonuses elsewhere and I can point right back to THF's evasion. At a minimum 3 of the jobs in the first statement can solo well, but they don't have A+ weapons. Do I consider them shafted? Absolutely not.
WHM,BLM and SMN dont need a weapon. So they dont count. And RDMs barely melee in PTs so they really dont need it either. RNG are already overpowered as it is.
So that only leaves 3 jobs NIN, BST and THF. NIN is a tank and BSTs solo and get pets. While THF is the only DD that doesnt have an A+ weapon. (Not counting RNG ofcourse).
So that only leaves 3 jobs NIN, BST and THF. NIN is a tank and BSTs solo and get pets. While THF is the only DD that doesnt have an A+ weapon. (Not counting RNG ofcourse).
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So that only leaves 3 jobs NIN, BST and THF. NIN is a tank and BSTs solo and get pets. While THF is the only DD that doesnt have an A+ weapon. (Not counting RNG ofcourse).
Sorry, RNGs do count... no one else gets an A+ in EVA, which is our best solo 'weapon'... and like rngs, bst's lower grade means they get access to WSs at higher levels than they would if it was A or better.
Honestly, all of the people whining... why are you playing thf? No one's forcing you to- play another job if you hate it so much.
Formerly Jaffar in XI: Ragnarok: 75THF/75RNG/75NIN/75BST/75COR/75BLM/75SAM/64BRD/44MNK/37WAR/37WHM/37DRK/37RDM/37PLD/37DRG
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RNG still has two A- weapons and regardless of A- skill do the most damage in the game. They also have a B in Dagger.
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Rngs are able to dual wield at least 2 archer knives. That is at least 20 RACC. Plus they can get rings that give -10 acc +10 Racc.
Now if there were rings that gave +10 acc -10 rng acc, DDs would go wild.
Now if there were rings that gave +10 acc -10 rng acc, DDs would go wild.
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Each and EVERY job, except for THF, are capable of using atleast two unlockable WS's. And THF's primary weapon, the dagger, is usable by how many ?? SEVEN jobs. There are 15 classes, and HALF are able to use THF's primary (only??) weapon up to 71WS. Hell, all jobs, except for MNK + WHM, have Dagger skill.
THF is the only job class that can use a previously quested Quest WS as early as level 67 and still be useful to a party. Hell, pound a few Dagger Merits in it and you can close Darkness, Light, and Distortion with one weapon at level 66.
PLD are able to open Staff and Club if they previously quested it, but you never really see these weapons used in an XP party and you definately would not use these WS as closers.
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I'm sorry, I never knew WHM, BLM, RDM, BST, BRD, SMN needed an A+ weapon. They such great melee DD...
The fact still remains, THF isn't the only class with an A- rating. Say what you will, but the classes using A+ skilled weapons are in the minority.
If you want to break it down specifically into the DD classes, I'll break it down specifically into soloing. Exactly how many of the "soloing" classes have an A+ in a weapon?
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Katana is also EXCLUSIVE to ninjas. I've never heard of a SAM, a THF, an anything say "man, I need a skillup PT for my katanas, they gettin underlvled".
...and it's A- with a quest WS at level 72, as stated before.
If you think THF is bad at high levels I've got no idea what to tell you. I always have to laugh at the other DD classes that can't survive an engagement with a level 60 enemy or two at level 75.
Edited, Fri Feb 11 17:00:51 2005 by Archain
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Honestly, all of the people whining... why are you playing thf? No one's forcing you to- play another job if you hate it so much.
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WHM,BLM and SMN dont need a weapon. So they dont count. And RDMs barely melee in PTs so they really dont need it either. RNG are already overpowered as it is.
Well it would help them solo, also xp pt is extremely boring as WHM. When I can find a good PT I usually bust out my club, I don't hit for much but I can occasionally out damage a THF until SATA comes around. ^^
THF75 WHM63 MNK65
Merits: Dagger[8] Triple Attack [4] Critical[1]
Hand-to-Hand[3]
Merits: Dagger[8] Triple Attack [4] Critical[1]
Hand-to-Hand[3]
Bsphil wrote:
Parsing on top was never an issue[with a two-handed weapon]...
Hell I might have to take down my lolclaustrum avatar.
Hell I might have to take down my lolclaustrum avatar.
Yes yes bow down to the mighty RNG and our uber power over THF, lets take a look at what my average RNG life lacks that makes me wish I was a THF at times.
Farming: HAHAHA you must be joking, let me lock and load my expendable ammo to kill a mob that has a rare chance to drop any item for me, or better yet let me use the "Cheap ammo" and take as long if not longer than a THF to kill a given mob, plus i'l take more damage and end up using more bloody bolts ^^
Solo: I've tried this a few times, nothing like losing half your health trying to take down an easy prey mob at 75. ^^ aquarius? nope, he'd laugh his *** of at me as i took a million claws to my face, simurgh? a THF+BRD= dead ground HNM, hell THF alone can drop serket, you think a RNG has any chance? nope. due to the joy of SE making sleep bolts less effective the more you stick them, RNG are practicly useless at killing anything by themselves {sleep bolts are the ONLY thing RNG have to drop anything tougher than easy prey , and even then... ^^]
A quick story on that, me and a WHM buddy of mine tried to kill Yowie, even with WHM support for healing and enfeebles, we both died >.>, a 75 THF in our LS came down, soloed it, and allowed us to re-raise, dont know about you, but I think thats Fing amazing
HNM: Wohoo something I have an edge in ^^ no doubt I outclass a THF in most of these fights, but quess what? I burn through huge gil killing any of the gods, and the harder ground HNM, brought along 150k+ worth of silver bullets to a sky run, left with no ammo >.> Nothing like being the "Strongest" melee to fight a god, especially when we burn a hole in our pockets doing it ^^ [but this is another debate, I understand gil isnt an issue for most, and if they could,would pay for more damage, but RNG are given 0 choice in the matter ^^]
So all and all, I love RNG, but we are like little babies outside a PT situation, we couldnt dodge a beach ball, cant imagine surviving anything without NIN sub, and farm like crap. on the other hand THF gain TH 1-4, can solo anything that could possibly be soloed, and can farm circles around me ^^ We have our weaknesses, you have yours, if you dont like them then it seems you picked the wrong job class ^^ Their is much more to this game than pure damage, and many fail to see it.
Farming: HAHAHA you must be joking, let me lock and load my expendable ammo to kill a mob that has a rare chance to drop any item for me, or better yet let me use the "Cheap ammo" and take as long if not longer than a THF to kill a given mob, plus i'l take more damage and end up using more bloody bolts ^^
Solo: I've tried this a few times, nothing like losing half your health trying to take down an easy prey mob at 75. ^^ aquarius? nope, he'd laugh his *** of at me as i took a million claws to my face, simurgh? a THF+BRD= dead ground HNM, hell THF alone can drop serket, you think a RNG has any chance? nope. due to the joy of SE making sleep bolts less effective the more you stick them, RNG are practicly useless at killing anything by themselves {sleep bolts are the ONLY thing RNG have to drop anything tougher than easy prey , and even then... ^^]
A quick story on that, me and a WHM buddy of mine tried to kill Yowie, even with WHM support for healing and enfeebles, we both died >.>, a 75 THF in our LS came down, soloed it, and allowed us to re-raise, dont know about you, but I think thats Fing amazing
HNM: Wohoo something I have an edge in ^^ no doubt I outclass a THF in most of these fights, but quess what? I burn through huge gil killing any of the gods, and the harder ground HNM, brought along 150k+ worth of silver bullets to a sky run, left with no ammo >.> Nothing like being the "Strongest" melee to fight a god, especially when we burn a hole in our pockets doing it ^^ [but this is another debate, I understand gil isnt an issue for most, and if they could,would pay for more damage, but RNG are given 0 choice in the matter ^^]
So all and all, I love RNG, but we are like little babies outside a PT situation, we couldnt dodge a beach ball, cant imagine surviving anything without NIN sub, and farm like crap. on the other hand THF gain TH 1-4, can solo anything that could possibly be soloed, and can farm circles around me ^^ We have our weaknesses, you have yours, if you dont like them then it seems you picked the wrong job class ^^ Their is much more to this game than pure damage, and many fail to see it.
Jubei
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Lets Break down stats shall we?
Hand-to-Hand: THF:E RNG:- Difference(75):200
Dagger: THF:A- RNG:B- Difference(75):29
Sword: THF:D RNG:D Difference(75):0
Axe: THF:- RNG:B- Difference(75):240
Club: THF:E RNG:E Difference(75):0
Archery: THF:C- RNG:A- Difference(75):49
Marksmanship: THF:C+ RNG:A- Difference(75):39
Throwing: THF:D RNG:C- Difference(75):10
Evasion: THF:A+ RNG:E Difference(75):76
Shield: THF:F RNG:- Difference(75):189
Parry: THF:A- RNG:- Difference(75):269
These, my pilfering brethren, are our stats in comparison to RNG's. As you may notice in variety we differ only slightly, H2H
Shield and Parry being the exclusives between the two jobs. These stats show where our strengths lie, for THF soloing (and obviously SATA from dagger) and for RNG spamming arrows or even attacking with one of their B- weapons in addition to that. RNG are more proficient in weapons but under attack they won't last as long as a THF although they can use higher DEF armor. In main weapons there is a difference in Dagger skill per level meaning RNG would get Viper Bite at 34 and Dancing Edge at 62. There is not much of a difference but in order to make them do more than 20 damage they would have to sub THF and SATA them, So VB at 34 is useless. At 60 they can SATA+VB and probably do respectable damage due to the B- skill. Then again, Viper Bite vs. Slug Shot is no competition, Slug Shot by far for parties and for solo. Seeing this info THF offers nothing to RNG. As for THF the first good RNG WS comes at 55 for RNG and is called Slug Shot, for THF it available at 57. Fighting an xp mob it would also deal a respectable amount of damage (gimped partly due to weapon variety) but again our main WS Viper Bite will help more because of damage. Also our SATA+Viper Bite helps transfer hate TO the tank and Slug Shot would transfer hate AWAY from the tank and is also highly inaccurate while VB at that level is a 100% hit rate. One of the many goodies RNG sub offers for THF though is Barrage, no TP taken but a major TP return if you can land enough bolts or bullets. Also for soloing as THF if you opt to sub RNG for a lower level NM hunt or something fun like that Barrage+Slug Shot will kill just about anything. So, I have concluded although RNG gets access to most everything in the game, they can't exploit THF the same way THF can use RNG. THF has many opportunuties to sub RNG and look like a gimped-as-hell bad*ss while RNG/THF looks...
OK, the post is kinda useless, looks like crap and is random. I'm sorry!!!
Edited, Fri Feb 11 18:06:05 2005 by RhondaTheSly
Hand-to-Hand: THF:E RNG:- Difference(75):200
Dagger: THF:A- RNG:B- Difference(75):29
Sword: THF:D RNG:D Difference(75):0
Axe: THF:- RNG:B- Difference(75):240
Club: THF:E RNG:E Difference(75):0
Archery: THF:C- RNG:A- Difference(75):49
Marksmanship: THF:C+ RNG:A- Difference(75):39
Throwing: THF:D RNG:C- Difference(75):10
Evasion: THF:A+ RNG:E Difference(75):76
Shield: THF:F RNG:- Difference(75):189
Parry: THF:A- RNG:- Difference(75):269
These, my pilfering brethren, are our stats in comparison to RNG's. As you may notice in variety we differ only slightly, H2H
Shield and Parry being the exclusives between the two jobs. These stats show where our strengths lie, for THF soloing (and obviously SATA from dagger) and for RNG spamming arrows or even attacking with one of their B- weapons in addition to that. RNG are more proficient in weapons but under attack they won't last as long as a THF although they can use higher DEF armor. In main weapons there is a difference in Dagger skill per level meaning RNG would get Viper Bite at 34 and Dancing Edge at 62. There is not much of a difference but in order to make them do more than 20 damage they would have to sub THF and SATA them, So VB at 34 is useless. At 60 they can SATA+VB and probably do respectable damage due to the B- skill. Then again, Viper Bite vs. Slug Shot is no competition, Slug Shot by far for parties and for solo. Seeing this info THF offers nothing to RNG. As for THF the first good RNG WS comes at 55 for RNG and is called Slug Shot, for THF it available at 57. Fighting an xp mob it would also deal a respectable amount of damage (gimped partly due to weapon variety) but again our main WS Viper Bite will help more because of damage. Also our SATA+Viper Bite helps transfer hate TO the tank and Slug Shot would transfer hate AWAY from the tank and is also highly inaccurate while VB at that level is a 100% hit rate. One of the many goodies RNG sub offers for THF though is Barrage, no TP taken but a major TP return if you can land enough bolts or bullets. Also for soloing as THF if you opt to sub RNG for a lower level NM hunt or something fun like that Barrage+Slug Shot will kill just about anything. So, I have concluded although RNG gets access to most everything in the game, they can't exploit THF the same way THF can use RNG. THF has many opportunuties to sub RNG and look like a gimped-as-hell bad*ss while RNG/THF looks...
OK, the post is kinda useless, looks like crap and is random. I'm sorry!!!
Edited, Fri Feb 11 18:06:05 2005 by RhondaTheSly
THF75 WHM63 MNK65
Merits: Dagger[8] Triple Attack [4] Critical[1]
Hand-to-Hand[3]
Merits: Dagger[8] Triple Attack [4] Critical[1]
Hand-to-Hand[3]
Bsphil wrote:
Parsing on top was never an issue[with a two-handed weapon]...
Hell I might have to take down my lolclaustrum avatar.
Hell I might have to take down my lolclaustrum avatar.
NynJaaa wrote:
Maybe on flies, with the extra damage. But even then it doesnt SMASH any other WS's...
In an exp session against IT, VB will average 1.5x-2x as much damage as any other WS. That's what I call "smashing."
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What good is a big SC close when your melee dmg is pure utter **** ?
From 33-60, THF will outdamage any non-RNG quite easily. That's what good it is.
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Again, thanks for the insight on how you played as a THF. I see that the level at which people start using it got moved down from LV50 in your last post to LV40 in this one. You're almost there.
Now you're attacking my playstyle. lmao, good job there.
You're the one saying that THF's don't really start transferring hate until LV40-50. So you weren't using TA for 10-20 levels?
Terraxia - RNG/COR/THF - Midgardsormr/Quetzalcoatl (boxed)
Viper Beam - ARC/CRP - Fabul
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NynJaaa wrote:
archain brings up a moot point.
THF is the only DD class, ***** that, THF is the ONLY class who is only able to use ONE unlockable WS.
THF is the only DD class, ***** that, THF is the ONLY class who is only able to use ONE unlockable WS.
Wait, so you say that he brings up a "moot point," then totally fail to address it and start talking about a totally different point. Huh?
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WAR: DAG SWD GSD AXE GAX PLM SCY CLB STF
MNK: H2H CLB STF
THF: DAG
RDM: DAG SWD
BLM: CLB STF
WHM: SLB STF
PLD: SWD GSD CLB STF
DRK: SWD GSD AXE GAX SCY
BST: DAG AXE SCY
BRD: DAG STF
RNG: DAG AXE BOW GUN
SAM: PLM GKT
NIN: DAG KTN
DRG: SPR STF
SMN: CLB STF
Each and EVERY job, except for THF, are capable of using atleast two unlockable WS's.
MNK: H2H CLB STF
THF: DAG
RDM: DAG SWD
BLM: CLB STF
WHM: SLB STF
PLD: SWD GSD CLB STF
DRK: SWD GSD AXE GAX SCY
BST: DAG AXE SCY
BRD: DAG STF
RNG: DAG AXE BOW GUN
SAM: PLM GKT
NIN: DAG KTN
DRG: SPR STF
SMN: CLB STF
Each and EVERY job, except for THF, are capable of using atleast two unlockable WS's.
And yet, most of those jobs have completely useless quest WS. Rather than simply count how many weapon skills each job gets and cry about it, why do you completely fail to mention that most of those weapon skills pale in comparison to SATAEvisceration? You'd rather we get 4 useless WSes than one useful one?
Furthermore, on the subject of weapon skills, I find it ironic that you can complain about THF. THF, with their lowly E rating in H2H, can outdamage MNK with their own WSes for a sizable chunk of the game. The only club user that can hope to match SATA+True Strike is... WHM.
THF gets low ratings in H2H and Club for a reason; if THF had a B or C rating in those weapons, they would put MNK out of a job.
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And THF's primary weapon, the dagger, is usable by how many ?? SEVEN jobs. There are 15 classes, and HALF are able to use THF's primary (only??) weapon up to 71WS. Hell, all jobs, except for MNK + WHM, have Dagger skill.
That makes the fact that THF is the only job that can actually do something with a dagger all the more glaring.
Edited, Fri Feb 11 18:33:22 2005 by redvenomweb
Terraxia - RNG/COR/THF - Midgardsormr/Quetzalcoatl (boxed)
Viper Beam - ARC/CRP - Fabul
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Stop whining and crying and go play another job.
NEBWIES UNITE
This could go on for days...
I like the rings NynJaaa, you seem to have a good plan in making millions.
No sarcasm, I really like those rings.
NynJaaa wrote:
ranged others: Bomb Core - 300k
ranged THF: oops...we cant, were too busy pulling...so we cant stat boost there.
ranged THF: oops...we cant, were too busy pulling...so we cant stat boost there.
As an aside:
Macro: Inc (alt+1)
/equip Ammo "Dart"
/p <call20> <<< <t> >>> Incoming! --------> #2 { Shark Bite } @ <tp>
/recast "Trick Attack"
/recast "Sneak Attack"
/ra <t>
* Allows you to pull without losing TP
* Use another macro to re-equip Bomb Core
* #2 = SC position
* <call20> = soft beep, I'd prefer no call, but some people find it useful
* Disable ctrl+d if you have it set
You may now resume your bickering ^^;
NynJaaa wrote:
Ok, lets use numbers.
A- rating at lv70: 244
E eating at lv70: 190
Do you know what 190 is on an A- skill ?? lv58. So using an E rating weapon at lv70 is like fighting as a lv58. But you knew this allready, didnt you ??
A- rating at lv70: 244
E eating at lv70: 190
Do you know what 190 is on an A- skill ?? lv58. So using an E rating weapon at lv70 is like fighting as a lv58. But you knew this allready, didnt you ??
Wait, why are you talking about all this "skill" and "accuracy" and "actual practical value" stuff? I thought you were just whining about WS. E-rated THF can outdamage A-rated club and H2H users with their own WSes. Drop your tired "THF gets screwed on WS!!!" argument.
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by the way, I addressed Archain's post about the weapon skill levels, because every damn DD class (cept rng, who are allready freakin overpowered with their A-) has an A+ weapon, and they have many more cost affordable alternatives to accuracy gear.
Since you want to complain about A+ vs A-, take a look at THF's DEX rating vs. WAR/DRK/SAM/MNK/DRG's DEX rating. Here, let me help you out.
At LV75, A+ vs. A- is 7 points of skill difference. That amounts to 6.3 accuracy difference (post-61, 1 point of skill = 0.9 ACC+ATK).
Do you seriously think that a THF won't have at least 14 DEX over those jobs at 75? THF gets A- in dagger because their base stat is DEX, which gives accuracy.
Edited, Fri Feb 11 19:36:47 2005 by redvenomweb
Terraxia - RNG/COR/THF - Midgardsormr/Quetzalcoatl (boxed)
Viper Beam - ARC/CRP - Fabul
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