Thief always gets the shaftFollow

No, thf can't wear the god set even tho I think they should as well.

Hetacomb is very cool stuff, but it is also one of the hardest abj's to get...not to mention angel skin ; ;



On a bright note:
- we have the best evasion in the game...at 74+ vs anything T or less I really don't get hit if I pay attention - I tanked rdm af3 as thf/whm this weekend lol
- running around SATAing kirin while he's being kited is a blast(I got a kill shot this weekend YAY ME!)
- Scorpion harness is damn sexy (opt hat isnt but the stats are >.<)
- we can use cannon shells =O
- status bolts rock
- status daggers are handy - garuda's is my fav off hand atm
- there is no better class to have as a duoing partner
- the new trick attack is nice damage

If your only reason for playing the game is to get god armor than stop now and play war, rng, nin, or mnk....heck just quit the game because that's really shallow.

I left for a few months after hitting 74 - I've come back now after the last update and I'm enjoying thf more than ever.

i didnt mean NMs like lizzy and stuff. I meant like the weaker HNMs that everyone talks about soloing. And sure lizzy you can claim with Steal. But ever tried camping somethign like Argus or even Spook? you need voke for that.

Good thing you don't plan on soloing DemonSwordsman, a THF/WAR using H2H would most likely get his backside handed to him. I'm sure that the E THF get in H2H is starting to show, along w/ the fact you don't have Martial Arts that's not a good combo. I know your only 31 and probably soon to change weapons so I won't make a big deal about it, but using that setup I would see it hard for you to defeat an EP mob. A THF w/ High delay + Low Defense + Low Damage + 0 skill in Marksmanship = A dead THF.

WAR sub as far as I know doesn't bring much to the table either. It's the shadows that help keep you alive soloing, not Defense or Attack bonuses.




Your totally right, a few weeks ago I realized that just exping through a game that has so much more is a waste. So I decided to level RNG to 40 for BCNM and promys. ^^ Or I can pray to get into one w/ my THF.

Also if you want voke for a not voking job combo (RDM/NIN maybe) you can pick up a Reviler's Helmet for another job to use(Lv71, THF can't use it ><).

Edited, Mon Feb 7 17:33:57 2005 by RhondaTheSly

OK....let me see if i gethe nah sayers right. Thiefs have treasure hunter 2....wow...that helps us in a fight how? if you were reading the posts youd see that lycain was talking about stats not money making skills. and the other post about the ws, thiefs have good ws but how often can they use it? one per fight? i would rather have Kirins Osode than sharkbite.

PS i agree with jse for thf being a major rip off.

If you want to see terrible JSE:

Monk: Vit +4 agi +2.... Pure tanking power, for all those monk tanks out there. Clearly the worst of the L50 JSE.

Rdm: acc +3, attack +3 (for L50 melee rdm???).

Whm/Smn: Regen 1hp per tick. Whm get this at 25, smn at 50. And they rest after every fight so hp regen is meaningless anyhow.

The L50 JSE is rotten for a lot of jobs... And simply so-so for most others. Only a few really gain benefits (that last 6-8 levels until AF armor replaces it). JSE50 is really just free gear for use in a few level capped areas in CoP and isnt intended for long term use.

Thf actually have one of the better ones, since haste is actually something useful in terms of building tp.

As a monk I often see melee gear I am envious of and cannot use (first it was the valk mask, then the assault earring. Then all 65+ attack gear on the AH excluding us ; ; But I soon learned the reason for it: Game balance. Same as no +15 dex or agi gear for thf ^^

VIT+ has an effect on Chakra, maybe WS too.


Don't forget the entire game isn't based on xp pts. RDM gets a second JSE, an RDM exclusive that gives much more RDM like stats.


So true, I've looked through the JSEs and only found the NIN PLD/WAR, RDM, BLM/SMN, and RNG JSEs to be useful in xp pt. The RNG and NIN are probably the best because they work really well. Letting RNG do more DMG while taking less hate works really nice for them. They should all have some use outside xp pts though, soloing if I don't need to use as much EVA+ gear as I have equipped on my THF the Ranged Accuracy and Haste+4% on a single piece of body armor is nice.

Edit:
Hehe... lol, one last thing. About the game balancing, this is just my opinion but it's slightly unbalancing how much Ranged Accuracy RNG get. Yeah, sure, they have an A- in Markmanship and Archery, but THF has and A- in Dagger and NIN the same in Katana. The few Accuracy+ rings we get are really expensive. There is other Accuracy+ gear but that's not my point. RNG get Ranged Accuracy+ rings every few lvs and up until after the Lv55 Scorpion Ring/+1 you won't have to spend 100k for both rings, afterwards it's a much different story for some rings. Yes, these rings are labeled "All Jobs" but not many other jobs have a half way decent score in ranged.

Lets look at the two that do shall we?
(It's actually something positive!) ^^
THF: C+ in Marksmanship. Obviously we shouldn't stand back w/ the RNG and spam arrows all the time, we are not given good enough weapons to do so. Even if we did our main concern should be SATA. RaAcc rings do come on handy for status bolts, as many RNG use guns sometimes I take the honor of using these in xp pts and even doing decent damage on Venom bolts. THF/RNG makes for fast TP gain and decent damage w/ Barrage. Also 59+ you can use Slug Shot if your feelin' up to it solo. ^^
Personal Opinion Grade: B+ It's a working plan, definitly a plus.
SAM: C+ in Marksmanship. I don't know much about SAM but here goes... SAM get some of the best Archery weapons available, most come w/ an added punch (extra RaAcc or RaAtk) making it a viable option to shoot off a few arrows here and there. Arrows also may comes w/ an Additional Effect (such as fire damage) on later level arrows, there are no status effects as far as I know making this purely a DD thing. SAM/RNG... Sidewinders flying everywhere...
Personal Opinion Grade: B+ definitly a great plan massive damage. Since it's purely DD and no status which can help the rest of the PT grade didn't go as high as I might have wanted.
WHM/MNK: Who cares. At 60???/RNG go and Barrage some xp mobs w/ Pebbles, who knows you might do something worthwhile. Or not...
Anyone else: Muhuhahahahaa... weaklings, ALL OF YOU!!!
(with the small exception of NIN, C Marksmanship)
THF:THF:

Edited, Wed Feb 9 03:58:59 2005 by RhondaTheSly

Ugh... 2A.M.
Yeah, but usually us THF have to wait for SC partner or SATA. I usually SATA/+WS in the beggining of the fight and not again till the next unless the mob just won't die. I'm only Lv.50 (hence I don't have DE which I here does respectable dmg compared to dagger ws solo) but I can't shoot of a WS whenever I like, sadly, the only jobs that can do this seem to be RNG and SAM (using Meditate). Slug Shot for RNG is inaccurate until TP:150% giving SC time to catch up, or even gather more TP, but not to shoot off a WS just whenever.

Goodnight. ^^

You don't consider free 4% haste "useful"???

That's 27 more base evasion, plus Evasion Bonus I, II, and III (those should add somewhere between 30 and 35 evasion, though it's hard to be certain). There may even be an Evasion Bonus IV at 70. For now, we'll play it safe and say that trait bonuses are 30, which gives THF 57 more evasion than NIN. I'll take that over blind/slow/paralyze any day. Why would you need those spells if you don't get hit?

Still, this ignores three other factors. The first is Treasure Hunter I/II, which is very important for soloing, considering that most of the time one is soloing, it's for a drop. The second is that THF WSes do much, much more damage than NIN WSes, which is obviously quite relevant for soloing. But most importantly, THF gets access to xbow + status bolts, while NIN does not. That basically ends any discussion of THF vs. NIN in soloing. Sleep bolts and especially bloody bolts are just too good.

Edited, Wed Feb 9 05:47:12 2005 by redvenomweb

Not to belabor the point, but if you are comparing a THF/NIN with TH2/3/4 against a NIN/notTHF with no TH at all, you better not be fighting something for a drop (unless the drop is guaranteed).

Edited, Wed Feb 9 08:50:52 2005 by redvenomweb

Hmm... Maybe Shark Bite should be a 1-hit WS so it can
critical with SA+TA.

A higher rating in: club, marksmenship, and H2H sure
would be nice. For coffer key hunts/skill-up alliance or
parties, we can steal hate if we do this to an EP-DC
undead...

Frequent Triple Attacks activated during WS would be
nice too.

THF/MNK (Capped H2H)

TA without WS onto the tank for 380 DMG
SA onto the mob from behind for 500 DMG.

>_> <_<

AGI does increase Evasion, Guard, Parry and counter too i think.