Thief always gets the shaftFollow

lol
No RNG would be caught dead using a Coffinmaker. ^^

Well, I'm kinda sad to see this thread is still going, but I suppose it will for a bit longer with or without my bump, so just wanted to set the record straight on one quick thing-



Hehe, by no means am I arguing that using a gun makes for long pulls. But as far as I know and have experienced, ranged weapon delay doesn't quite work like this. The time from when you shoot to when the bullet it actually fired is the gun's delay, so I'm guessing Deluxe Carbine is probably 600delay. This would be the same as any normal 600 delay weapon. The delay on the ammunition is like a "reload" delay, so it would be 240 delay before you can fire the next shot. However TP is affected by ammunition delay. Most bullets are 240, but for bow, if you're using Iron arrows vs. bone-type arrows, the iron arrows have a bit more delay, and you'll get 14% TP with a greatbow instead of 13% with the bone-type.

So anyway... why do we need to seek everyone's approval for subjob choices, gear choices, party config choices? People make suggestions, try 'em out. Maybe they work, maybe they don't. You can argue til you're blue in the face, but in the end, no one's really going to care if you're right or wrong, and they'll just continue to play whatever subjob they were using before and whatever gear suits them best for what they can afford.

Let's leave the NIN/BLM topic alone... I have no idea why he responded to a deleted excerpt 2 hours after I removed it for being offtopic.

Not only that, but at higher levels it removed the entire dynamic of having to turn the mob for SATAWS on tank. With many party configs, the tank needs to hold back a little on hate generation so that the opening WS will turn the mob for THF's SATA. With Yokodama, tanks (especially PLDs) can go balls-to-the-wall on hate generation at all times, and get an even bigger boost because every SATA always goes on the tank.

Let's not also forget the WAR/SAM + DRK/THF combo that just obliterated everything that moved. WAR/SAM opened EVERY fight with a meditate+shield break -- which turned even the PLD into a decent DD -- and the DRK/THF had access to yoko as well. Plus, he was getting pretty good TP due to how insane shield break was back then. Shield break was so broken back then it was like everyone just chowed down on ACC+ food. Twice.

Nice tests NynJaa ^^.

Well now that we know this doesn't work we have to find a way for you to get me all that gear...

Could have tried Dusk Trousers (RaAcc+10/ RaAcc+12 for +1) and RNG sub w/ Beater's Earring(RaAcc+3). Maybe a Archer's Knife(RaAcc+10), Cheoptera Dagger (RaAcc+12 Rare/Ex), or Trailer's Kukri (RaAcc+14) using a CoffinMaker (RaAcc+9) as ranged weapon. Unless of course this was a full blown Exp PT and not a skill-up/Exp PT.
Dusk Trousers + Beater's Earring + 2x Trailer's Kukri + CoffinMaker replacing some of the gear you had used would have added RaAcc+40 and using RNG sub would have given you Accuracy BonusI/II and */hurray* SlugShot. I'd like to see a THF bust out the hurting on some mob w/ that.

I know it sounds like an outragous request, as it is, but um... wanna give it a try? Maybe some food too...

Its just a matter of time before RVW responds to this.

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be responding to. Where was I saying that THF/NIN should be trying to land Acid Bolts?

I do remember saying something like this:



In fact, I can't find a single post in this thread where I advocated THF/NINs to try to land Acid Bolts in exp parties. Not one.

So NynJaa's amazing rebuttal is to go out and test Acid Bolt accuracy... with the wrong sub. Great job!!!! Rate up!!!! Perhaps next, you will take your THF/NIN and prove that you didn't get any extra damage from Berserk?

Did you actually think that the extra ~30 RACC you get from subbing RNG (not to mention Sharpshot/Barrage) was a minor, trivial difference?

NynJaa, let me save you some time. Don't bother wasting your time gimping yourself (e.g. intentionally using the wrong sub) to produce some logs with pathetic accuracy. (assuming you even provided logs, which you didn't) It is no spectacular feat to provide logs of weak performance. Anyone can do that.

I've already provided a log of a /RNG with lower skill than THF landing Slug Shot against exp mobs at will. Gimping yourself will not erase existing data. All that you'll prove is that you can successfully destroy your potential, which we all already know.

Edited, Fri Mar 4 05:00:39 2005 by redvenomweb