Thief always gets the shaftFollow

How is your reputation? I think I have a decent one, because I get parties fairly fast. Then again I havn't played for about a month so most of my rep is probably gone.

You almost never get a two thf party because it's not really good. You have one thf, and if that thf is good you will want to fill the other space with something else.

I'll agree on that fact that we don't get good slots in BCNMs. In proms tho, we arn't really wanted, but for the level 40 cap we are pretty good to have, not sure about the missions after the 40 cap tho.

Quite simply:

NIN/RNG has lower Marksmanship than THF/RNG.
I've seen many logs proving that NIN/RNG Marksmanship works at high levels, when properly equipped.
You claim that THF/RNG Marksmanship doesn't work.
You provide zero logs.

Connect the dots.


And if we were talking about the damage of Shark Bite as THF/WHM, then that log might be relevant. But since we aren't, and are instead talking about Marksmanship accuracy as THF/RNG, a log with information applicable to the actual subject at hand would be vastly more useful.


Nowhere did I claim that he didn't miss a Slug. There is no report category for WS accuracy.


Feel free to look at any exp party log of any BLM you can find and compare 1400 (the number you ascribe to NIN/BLM in a chain 5 battle) to the BLM's average damage. Keep in mind that in chain0/1/2/3, NIN/BLM would do much more than this.

1400 is far more than decent.

Since you like to continually chant about "Ask any level x-ty job what they think," take a look at the NIN/BLM topics on this (or any other) NIN forum. Everyone else already understands that NIN/BLM is basically a BLM with infinite MP that never has to hold back. The fact that you're arguing against it just proves exactly how dedicated you are to standard subjobs at all costs.

Edited, Fri Feb 18 20:36:01 2005 by redvenomweb

They only reason NIM/BLMs arent running around is cause no one can afford it.

Their AF has exactly one piece of +RACC gear (legs). THF obviously gets access to Noct/Bravo/Rapparee, while NIN doesn't. They get no base ACC bonus over THF, and their tiny advantage in AGI is made up for by THF's slightly higher skill.

As far as equipment goes, while it's true that NIN can use Seiryu's Kote, it's also true that he doesn't have it (or, at least, didn't at the time of this log), nor did he have a Peacock Charm.

Like I said, he's shown that even with a lower rating than us, a properly equipped /RNG can use Marksmanship reliably. He's focusing enough to be able to land Slug Shot; we shouldn't even need to try as hard, since we won't be firing slugs but just trying to land Acids.

You're right; it looks like the parser does report Slug Shot as a ranged attack. I stand corrected. With that in mind, those logs do indicate that he landed every single one of his Slug Shots.

But since you believe that that is patently impossible, let's assume for the sake of argument that for some magical reason, every single one of his ranged/WS misses were not tracked. He still landed 62 Slug Shots in 51 battles. (One WS was a melee WS against an EP Killing Weapon, which we can see due to the tidbit you just provided.)

His average damage per WS (corrected for the one melee WS) was 495.22. If you go back and look at his WS damage in each fight, it matches up quite accurately to that number. There is no other WS that he could have used against exp mobs to average that kind of damage, and we can see for a fact that he definitely landed 62 of them in that log, looking at one fight at a time. So if he landed 62 Slugs in 51 battles, that means that he landed 1-2 Slugs per fight. If he's already landing that many Slugs, how many are you claiming that he supposedly had to have missed? Where is all this extra TP (to miss all these additional Slugs) coming from?

No matter how much you want to argue about the improbability of 100% accuracy, you can't get around the fact that he was landing an average of more than 1 Slug Shot per fight. Once more, if he can land Slugs, why can't we land normal ranged attacks?

[edit: deleted all NIN/BLM responses - it's offtopic]

Edited, Sat Feb 19 01:09:09 2005 by redvenomweb

I think NIN/RNG is actually relevant; it's a job with pretty similar skill and gear availability. Since no one has submitted any THF/RNG logs, and any log I provided would be summarily dismissed because I'm such a lowbie, the only data I can find to give some insight on the potential of a higher-level /RNG is for NIN/RNG.

I do completely agree that NIN/BLM is totally off-topic, and I deleted all references to it from my last post. Anyone who has anything to discuss about that job combo can do so in the NIN forum. There are plenty of NIN/BLM threads there already.

Rdm/blm refreshing themselves only is virtually limitless MP... Not to mention they can simply convert on the last few chains.

Better DoT? Prove it.

Holding back? ~1500 damage is nothing, especially since it's in small bursts. Any tank that can't hold hate from ~1500 points of damage over 1 minute is a bad tank. Also, rdm/blm has blink and stoneskin, which will keep the monster from doing any damage if by some miracle they pull aggro. Just like a nin/blm using utsusemi...

As for a blm log, you got it... Next time I party with a blm I'll be sure to post the log for all to see. Their firaga3 mb on a light skill chain does about as much damage as a nin/blm could put out in an entire fight, and there is at least one firaga3 per fight including the other spells they cast before the skillchain...

As I said about the nin/rng, you need more proof. A ranger will have a problem hitting 62 slug shots in a row much less a ninja.

Dec. 16 2003
It was long ago but who says they still can't change it?



Imagine the shock of my PT members faces...
Rhonda uses slug shot
Stupid mob takes xxx damage.
PT member1: o.O
PT member2: Shark Bite!?
PT member3: n00b!!!
Rhonda: 449 more to go...

lol j/k

When SA worked like this, THF was ridiculously overpowered (read: Yokodama). If your party didn't have a THF, you didn't leave Jeuno, period. A THF was as required as a tank, and if you couldn't SC with THF, have fun LFP.

How the hell will SAM help me Slug Shot? I'm a THF. ^^ I'll try RNG sub.



Your point being?
lol
MNK don't get invites anyway!^^ I'm convinced they solo 20-60. Like I said though, an Assassin change. Assassin is Lv.60 by this level most jobs can SC with THF pretty good, we would fight back against those stupid DRK and MNK who steal our jobs after lv60. >< Best of all though is the fact that even with the change the is no way we could replace them so things are kinda fare... ish. I've sadly never been Lv.60(and won't get passed 50 ; ;) so I couldn't say this 100% confident but it sounds pretty fair to me.

Also about my new gun, pulling blows. ^^ Looks kinda like this:
Rhonda: (Fishing) > Helm Beetle <E-7>
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...
PT member: You gonna pull it?
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...
Rhonda's ranged attack hits the Helm Beetle for 57 damage.

Delay:840, as I mentioned before, obviously isn't for pulling but it's hella fun. Landed 7 shots in a row on a VT crawler and 5 in a row on a IT Helm. ^^ My mainhand dagger connected like 5 times in like 5 fights. For some reason it sucked, and I even use the same dagger main and off hand. Made me feel like putting on my strike shield and single wielding. >.>