Thief always gets the shaftFollow

Is it my imagination or is thief excluded from almost every single piece of godlike armor available. And if i hear one more noob say "you guys get hectacomb gear" im going to beat the living ignorance out of you. Kirin Osode is my favorite example of how messed up FFXI's treatment torwards thfs(besides our new job ability but im not getting into that). I also know of some rare/ex gloves that give +15 agi but thief cant get those either. Im pretty sure theres plenty more and i hope others agree.

ha! it doesn't stop there my fellow thfs... A- in dagger, the weakest weapons in the game. the ONLY other DD class that also recieves an A- in their main weapons are rangers, which can equip ungodly amounts of +racc and +ratt. also, the abilities that get us into parties (sneak attack and trick attack) can be used by any other DD class lvl60+. we also get a relatively weak by comparison weaponskill in shark bite. a drk will do 1000+ with sa+spinning slash while a thf will be lucky to break 1000 at all and in most cases would need a brd.

thief is the only job imo that SE needs to make major revisions on just for exp party situations. we aren't *needed* for hate control, something any paladin or ninja can attest too, so what is our place in the party? i still don't know... sure from 33-66 we make the best distortion skillchains out there, but after that other jobs just make us look weak. what they need to do is up the damage multiplier of shark bite allowing thf's to consistently put out 1000 damage, that would put us right up there with all the other DD's. i mean we gotta face the facts that thief is nothing more then a DD class, especially with a paladin tank.

double postage

Edited, Sat Feb 5 16:17:05 2005 by Shamaya

'scuse me...but DRG can't wear ANY of the god armor! Only god dropped equipment we can use is Kirin's pole,which is a slap in the face because it's useless to us!!

We fight in doublets and plastic armor.So stop compalining about your armor setup.

The only jobs that can wear the god armor are eastern jobs:MNK,NIN,SAM.


Oh boohoo..you get the weakest weapon in the game but can WS for well over 700 easily and in some cases 1000.Boo-freakin-hoo.

Welcome to the world of DRG.

They dont want us to become too godly. Its how they keep the game fair.

RNG & BLM are desired for HNM fights for a completely different reason. They use ranged attacks.

EDIT: Of course the damage is nothing to scoff at either...

Edited, Sun Feb 6 00:41:50 2005 by nullvector

Yeah, it's such a shame we have to be one of the best money makers and soloers in the game. :P

Edited, Sun Feb 6 02:02:02 2005 by Sidewalkesque

I wouldn't call Ranged Accuracy+2 useless, when it comes to landing Status bolts solo it can help a small bit although there is better equipment for that. If SE put more Ranged Accuracy and Evasion on the shirt it would be nice for soloing until scorp harness comes along (or Assault Jerkin if your poor but persisitant like myself).

What would SE improve anyway?
I sure as hell wouldn't like to see a TH/Hide/Mug/Steal/Gil Finder+1 here, I want more combat gear for my THF.

So that leaves us w/ Sneak Attack+1?

Actually sounds cool in a way! ^^

Somehow THF manages to get alot of Ranged Accuracy+ gear, possibly more so than DEX, I'm hoping this means they'll give us something new to shoot with. Otherwise the only reason I can think of for SE doing this is them hating us THF.

Yeah, we have TH2 and Steal (our only 2 gil makers) but we are light on BCNMs which are a much faster way of getting gil if you have the Beastmen's Seals to do so.

Edited, Sun Feb 6 06:33:54 2005 by RhondaTheSly

I feel like I'm getting shafted on the price of our gear that's considered shafted.
Midgardsormr: 880k emp hairpin + 700k leaping boots (+ 6.5 mil scorp harness + 880k Sniper Rings x2)
Shaft (I'm interested.) (Help me out!)

THF dont get any of the fancy god gear, have a hard time getting parties, but guess what the trade off is? TH2 which most anyone would kill for. so many THF just blow it off, but its quite the amazing little skill, and with a Treasure knife, dont get me started ^^

Yet the best thing a THF gets is ungodly solo abilities, quess what RNG evasion is at 75? 200, thats= to a lv 60 NIN tanking naked, yet a THF at lv 75 gets 276....276!!!!! and add in 4 evasion traits for 316 evasion, and thats NAKED, add in S harness and whatever else evasion gear and you can break 350.

With 2 utsusemi spells, ungodly evasion, and the abilities to use Xbows to blind, drain, sleep and poision their is very little a THF cant drop on his own, hell high lv NIN envy how well a THF can solo over them. so when you think your job doesnt get jack look at something else besides pure damage.

Attack +10 Accuracy +5
Reduces Sneak Attack recast time
Reduces Trick Attack recast time


It would reduce the recast time of SAnTA by 15 seconds just like the AF boots increase flee by 15 seconds.

Edited, Mon Feb 7 06:01:49 2005 by Lobivopis

I have to agree with Jubei. Sorry, but you guys are a bunch of whiners.

- God Gear: THF is not the only job that cannot equip this. WAR/MNK/SAM/NIN/BST/RNG/BRD. Those are the only jobs that can equip it.

- Weapons/Skill: THF has the single most damaging weaponskill from Lv33-55, and until Lv66, it's still hands-down the best skillchain closer, and even after 66 it's pretty damn good. NIN and RNG also have A- weapon skills. THF need accuracy less anyhow due to their very high DEX and low delay. Also, all the new Harpe weapons-though rare and somewhat expensive-are a great boost for THF in the damage department. They also look awesome.

- Vs. HNM: Yes, rangers and BLM are the primary DDs vs. kited HNM. However normal ground HNM, all melees are pretty decent DD. On the gods and such, it's not just THF that "gets the shaft." Anyway so many people are leveling RNG and BLM these days... Go ask your server's HNM shells how many more rangers they need.

- JSE: FREE 4% Haste. You do know how much people pay for 4% haste, right?

- Equipment: Honestly all melee equipment costs a fortune if you want the best stuff. Anyone checked to see how much MNK and NIN equipment is running these days? Yeah...

- Soloing: Well, I do personally feel that RDM/NIN and NIN/WHM might be more versatile soloers, but THF/NIN is definitely #2 on the list (dunno if rdm/nin is better than nin/whm, not enough experience with the 2 personally). Solo HNM rams at 65, solo Sozu for your Thief's knife. Thief's also a pretty amazing party tank if your party knows what it's doing and can control hate. I've done almost all the Zilart missions (except 8 and 12) with a thief tank.

Bottom line is, I spend more time as THF/NIN than just about any other job. Yes, ranger is damaging. But beyond "killing stuff while there's someone else to hold hate" the job doesn't offer that much. Thief is like a Swiss Army knife of a job, bringing together a bunch of utility and fun into one tight package. If you can't see how powerfuly and versatile this job is, I feel sorry for you. Maybe you should go play ranger :/




If you stick with the game long enough, you'll realize that EXP parties are not what the game is all about. Rather they are simply a means to an end. Thief has to work a little bit harder for these, yes, but in my opinion the endgame rewards are worth the trouble.

Edited, Mon Feb 7 14:46:05 2005 by Mystoval