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#1 May 06 2006 at 7:15 PM Rating: Decent
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It would seem that a White Mage who knew what they were doing would be able to get to 75 in only a short amount of time. About 5 minutes after logging on you probably get a invite to a party. Depending on how the party is set-up and how well you do you may get several levels ups. Even though i'm not much of a Mage fan I've had the strangest craving to become a White Mage. The reason why is probably because I just want to get to level 75. But really I think White Mages have a really simple time. If you have decent Macros and are decently smart you can hit 75 in such a short amount of time. Does anyone agree that White Mages can get to 75 in a too short amount of time? I think they should raise the amount of EXP neeeded to level for White Mages.
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#2 May 06 2006 at 7:48 PM Rating: Good
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I'm not sure if you're trolling or not, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

WHM is probably faster to 75 than most DD, I'll certainly recognize that. It's either slower or equal speed with PLD, NIN, RDM, BLM, BRD. It's nothing about WHM in particular, but it's just the dynamics of party play. Outside of some exceptions (manaburn is one, and the other mostly don't apply till merits), parties need tank, two melee, 3 mages. When you compare the amount of melee jobs (7, pre ToAU jobs) to party slots, and then the number of mages (5 pre ToAU) to party slots, it's not that surprising mages get invites faster.

And it's not all roses for a WHM trying to level. Post 41, most parties get in a mentality that RDM will always out perform WHM. This can make 41-50 painfully slow at time. Likewise, post 70, lots of parties prefer RDM+BRD backlines as opposed to one with a WHM. Sure, pre 40 it looks like WHM is the fastest, but that will certainly change.

I don't think any job can get to 75 too quickly. It's long and hard, even for very experienced set parties. Changing the amount of XP to 75 for any job would just make people stop levelling that job entirely.
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Just ignore him. Prolly a bitter DRK or THF or something sick of seeking for hours or not being able to find WHMs for parties. We have no need to defend ourselves against such accusations.
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#4 May 06 2006 at 8:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey great! If we increase the amount of exp required for a white mage to level that will surely ENCOURAGE people to level white mage! Then you'll have an even easier time getting a WHM for a party!

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#5 May 06 2006 at 9:00 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not trying to be mean or a troll I haven't even ever got to level 40 yet I am just wondering.
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#6 May 06 2006 at 9:51 PM Rating: Default
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#7 May 06 2006 at 10:01 PM Rating: Decent
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oh come on guys, go easy on him. Soal may be presenting his crotch for a good kick, but he doesn't know better.

Now, back to the point: WHM will by far be the easiest job to get to 40. like Yaltus said, post 40 is a nightmare because newbie lv40's think a rdm that just got refresh can immediately do everything. I've heard that 60-70 is also pretty bad for a lot of jobs.

The point is, every job has a high point and low point through the course of leveling, so they all tend to balance out in terms of leveling speed.

And regarding your suggestion of raising exp amount per level in higher levels: NO.

My bro had a level 50 war and he told me the exp needed for next lvl was somewhere in the 20,000's. In the 70's the exp requirement reaches 40,000+.

And if you've looked at my sig and wondered "how can a guy with jobs barely over 30 know this crap?" is because over the span of my characters i have 5 linkshells, 4 of which have a lot of awesome people who know what their doing. 3 of which have forum-websites which have answered many of the questions i've had; questions about crap from FFXI that i will not need to know for a good long while.

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#8 May 06 2006 at 10:19 PM Rating: Good
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If you wanted to get to 75 the fastest, go Bard. They will beat a white mage to 75 hands down.
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#9 May 06 2006 at 10:23 PM Rating: Good
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I’m relatively new to FFXI and being a whm altogether, however I can’t really agree that whm is an “easy” way to get to 75.

I’m sure that it’s easier to get there than other jobs, since whms do usually get the most pt invites, however whm, in my opinion, is a really stressful job. Lol, I know that sounds somewhat corny, but it is. Making sure everyone has a good amount of mp, curing status negativities, enfeebling, managing hate, and plus having benediction to think about, you really have to think on you’re feet for this job.

Maybe I’m looking too deep into it, but I don’t think that whm is a simple job by any means.
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#10 May 06 2006 at 10:25 PM Rating: Decent
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When I said:

"Making sure everyone has a good amount of mp"

I ment HP*
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#11 May 07 2006 at 3:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Is White Mage A Excuse To Get To 75 Quickly? No, any job is not an excuse to get to 75 quickly. In fact, out of the mage jobs, whm is probably the slowest to get to 75. Assuming an experienced player has a previous job at 75 and all of the following jobs at level 1, he would level pld, nin, blm, rdm, smn, and brd faster than he would level whm. The only reason a blm and a smn would potentially level faster is because blm's can go do manaburn parties, and smn's are valued for both CoP and endgame activities, so smn gets a nice push.

For an inexperienced player though, brd is the obvious choice for what has the potential to get to 75 the quickest. Rdm is probably the second best option for the job with the highest potential to get to 75 quickly. Also just a fair warning, rdm may have the second best ability to get to 75 the fastest, but it is far from being the easiest. Even for the gimpy rdm's that you sometimes have to suffer with, the workload that is expected out of them is more than the whm and blm's workload combined.

That's about it in a nutshell imo. Time to go back to Aht Urgan for some Besiged :)
#12 May 07 2006 at 7:49 AM Rating: Good
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My thoughts on this...
BRD is probably the easiest to level to 75 fast, because:
1) Few BRDs
2) Ballad

A BRD can get Ballad over the mages quickly, and can throw out some Acc/Damage songs and repeat. Combined with a high demand/low supply, they can rise through the levels, then get a manaburn invite and hit 75 in a few weeks. The only slow point I've heard about with BRDs is 41-55 (between refresh and Ballad 2)

RDM is slow 1-40 unless you have a friend to level with you, because what can a RDM do really besides backup cure? (I know they can do alot, but when looking at the BRD and RDM seeking at 35, which do you pick?)

Any job in theory can hit 75 fast, it just takes the ability of knowing when to party, or getting a static going...Picking the best camps for exp (lot of MNKs? find some bones)... Sometimes the "Tried and tested" path sucks, find a better camp. But take the time to learn to play the job right.
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#14 May 07 2006 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
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CAN a whm get to level 75 quickly? Of Course.

Is that why most people play WHM? I doubt it.

A lot of Whms really do just love their job, and dont care about the benefits of being able to maybe hit 75 faster then others. Thats all that should really matter when you decide what job you want to take up.
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#15 May 08 2006 at 5:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, whm having an "Easy" time to 75... Since when?

Take a glance at the Erase scroll, and the tele scrolls. They are by no means cheap. On top of that you need to level Blm, Rdm and Smn as possible subs, now probably also Blu, Cor and Brd.

No, you do not NEED great gear, however having gear that boosts your Mp by over 100 points is nice.

And what about healing and enhancing skills. Unlike other skills they do NOT increase at a normal rate, in fact i would almost consider them to go up at an abnormally slow rate.

Aside from the high cost spells, there are still over 70 Spells a Whm needs to get, many are not cheap, and the party will rely on almost all of them in the course of leveling.

Whm is no more expensive than any other job, nor is it in any way cheaper.

If SE were to increase the Exp needed for a whm to level, nobody would ever play it again.

Thats pretty much like saying, oh, since you can cure, and you are so needd in a party, lets penelize you for it, you now need 110% the exp to level up :/

Try soloing as a whm on anything EP or higher past lv 30. You will quickly learn why whm should NOT have to get more exp to lv.

As the last poster said, many whm really care about their jobs, they farm for hours for spells and gear even to increase their Mp by a mere 5 points.

Many whm love the fact that a Whm can melee in endgame stuff and do nice damage with Hexa-strike, so many whm also dedicate hours and days just to skilling their clubs (the stage i am currently in)
Whm do not get to melee in parties so skilling club blows.
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#16 May 08 2006 at 5:45 PM Rating: Good
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I'll go out on the limb and be in the minority here and say that I leveled WHM not only for the convenience factor of my own sneak/invis/teleports but to experience endgame content with a fairly in demand job. While this may be my sellout job to experience endgame content, I still put in a lot of hard work, effort and gil to be the best I can be. Should they raise the amount of XP it requires a WHM to level? Hell no. It should stay consistent with every other job in the game.
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Vodevil wrote:
I'll go out on the limb and be in the minority here and say that I leveled WHM not only for the convenience factor of my own sneak/invis/teleports but to experience endgame content with a fairly in demand job. While this may be my sellout job to experience endgame content, I still put in a lot of hard work, effort and gil to be the best I can be. Should they raise the amount of XP it requires a WHM to level? Hell no. It should stay consistent with every other job in the game.


I wouldn't say that you are in the minority neccasarily. When I started, I balanced several considerations as to what job I would level: affordability, versatility, usefulness, fun. Several jobs I thought I'd consider fun didn't make the cut because of cost (I didn't look forward to trying to do RNG as a first job), and several jobs that have great utility didn't look fun (hello BRD). So I definitely agree that the convenience factor of WHM, plus the demand for WHMs in end game content were big influences in making that my main. It just wasn't the only consideration, which is what people are taking exception to.

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Helpful hint, assuming that REALLY wasn't intentional...

Um. Don't go into a large group of any job and tell them they have it easy, and it should be harder for them to level.
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#21 May 08 2006 at 9:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Consider this my friends, both magey and not... I'm a mere lvl 27, but this is my insight into the debate. I CAN'T effectively solo. Decent challenge??? Whatever.

Also, I just did the quest to get the kazham keys(at lvl25) and, although I could kill the mob by myself, I could only kill one before needing to completely heal, and any aggro spelled death. I watched many other people run in, pop a couple, get a key and get out.

Yes we get a lot of invites, but that only balances the fact that playing as a WHM, for me at least, negates almost all single player action besides probably crafting.

And then when we do get in a party, many times we're seen as a tool of the party then part of it because we don't do damage.

I'm by no means saying we have it worst, just certainly not best. Every job is good and bad. that's the depth of the game.
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#22 May 08 2006 at 10:11 PM Rating: Good
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Simply put, no.

WHM, as mentioned, becomes almost shunned around 40, in favor of redmages. Again, as mentioned, WHM around 65-70, get replaced by RDM and BRD, for more DD room. Now, on top of that, add the fact that WHM isn't exactly an in demand job for BCNMs either, there are very few popular BCNMs out there, that have a slot for a WHM, let alone require one. End-game, yes, we're sought after, early-game yes, we're sought after. In between, unfortunately not so much.

BRD is fast, frighteningly fast, if your only intention in the game, is to hit 75 as soon as humanly possible, by all means, take WHM to 30, and BRD to 75.

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I'm going to stray from the topic here for a moment shortly, as I reply to a point in the OP.

"About 5 minutes after logging on you probably get an invite to a party."

I will say, that from 61 to 69, that's been somewhat true, BUT, and what a but it is, I've been noticing a fast-growing trend, and want to know if any other WHMs have ever noticed the same thing, or if I've just being experiencing a lot of coincedences.

When I first log in, I'm not usually looking for a PT immediately. A lot of times, I'll go to /anon before I even leave my MH, after saying Hello to my LS, and I'll have already gotten an invite, before I can turn /anon on. I turn this invite down. Hours later, I take off /anon. Bam, often within 5 minutes, I get another invite. Sometimes I'm LFP, other times I'm not. Now, you may say, well that's great, but here's where I stray from the OP, and things start to get a little weird for me. I usually get hit initially, with invites; however, if I turn down that 1 initial invite, and 15 minutes later I'm looking to party, I'm stuck for hours. Same for when I've been on for a while and I take /anon off. If I don't get an immediate invite, or I turn down the first invite, I'm again, screwed for hours... It's almost like if you don't "Magically Appear" on /sea, you're not sough after. XD

This has happened for about 9/12 of my last PTs. Instant invites, or hours and hours of seeking, watching DRKs at my level and THFs getting PTs while I'm sitting there.

Does this happen to any other WHMs? And is it just timing, like I happen to sign on, right at some sort of "Party rush hour"? O.o Because, sadly enough I've been taking the instant invites, and having them wait on me for a few minutes, while I either mule gear, or run to check the AH, etc, for fear of having to wait hours and hours and hours for the next invite.



Anywho, back to it all, more EXP needed to level for WHMs? Level it all the way, and then you decide.

Edited for a typo.

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#23 May 09 2006 at 7:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Whm is not easy....we have to do a lot walk a mile in our shoes and, you would understand. We have a lot to do for a party I know it may seem we are may be takeing a knee a lot and just sitting there most of time not even getting a scratch due to the tank doing there job, but who keeps the tank going? when the Drk pulls too much hate whos there to bring them back from death? when a fellow rdm get silenced whos there to cast silena? Who is there to cast Raise and risk instant death in a aggro heavey area to Raise the puller?

Answer the WHM? do we ask for Thanks nope, is it easy to get Exp at times I have to admit yes, but getting to 75 is not easy..since we are paper dolls, and really easy to kill...I mean at times its like ooo a easy mob....SQUISH..... I die before they are at Half HP.

So I feel WHM has a place in this game we can't solo (you should of seen me play my first DD I so wanted to play Dragoon, OMG LOL!! I was sooo scared to take on Even matches levels 1-10 boy was I shocked when I came out of fights like that with barely a scratch) so give it a try is what I think. I feel everyone should walk a mile in all roles in this game they might learn, and respect others.
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#24 May 09 2006 at 11:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Being a whm carries with it a responsibility - to look after, preserve and enhance the health of your party. It's not always an easy responsibility to bear. Yah, at times we get invites faster than others, and at times slower. But we earn our xp like everyone else, and we learn to do our jobs better while earning our xp.

And no whm stays a whm, especially past 42, unless he or she loves the job.

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Yeah theres absolutely no reason to power lvl a job you dont even like, and for anyone who thinks whm 40-50 is inferior to rdm, regen 2 is just SICK :P
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Yeah theres absolutely no reason to power lvl a job


Fixed.

Edit: Don't post in a thread talking about WHM being a fast track job when your sub is extremely underleveled. You are unfortunately one of those racing to 75. Get cracking on that BLM, escape will save your hide.

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