WartardsFollow

I know people love to rag on hunters, calling them huntards and whatnot, but I've had way more experience with crappy warriors. Maybe it's because my main is a 70 warrior so I know what warriors should and shouldn't be doing, but some people just shock me with their ineptitude.

For instance, the inevitably failed Black Morass run that had an arms / fury warrior dpsing in tank gear and not even matching me (the tank) for dps.

Or a great one, last night I run Steamvaults. The leader invites his friend in, who is a fury warrior. If I'd have known this from the start, I wouldn't have joined his party. So, we start working on the first few pulls. Small numbers of mobs, easily overcome. I notice the warrior pulling aggro occasionally, I just decide to work that much harder. Then the big pulls start coming. We had no CC outside of sap, so the rogue would sap and then I would pull and we would pray for the best. Our enormous melee dps coupled with the survivability of the melee dpsers made it so that even though the pulls could be sloppy, we'd all make it. Except for the fury warrior. He didn't understand that you attack the target the tank is attacking. He would just pick one and then usually get beat down into the dirt.

That wasn't the worst, though. He liked to charge. I would shoot a mob, as the mob was running to me he would charge it. And then thunder clap. And then die almost immediately. For instance, we all needed rep. So we decided to kill the slaves, as they are yellow so they pull one at a time and are easy to kill. One guy gets bored, goes gets a drink. Right after, I pull one of the slaves. About halfway to me, the warrior charges it. Right next to the slave master guys that force the yellow slaves to aggro. Which causes every mob in the room to aggro him and kill him in less time than it took for him to type "WTF". I would've laughed if those mobs hadn't killed every person in our party, including the AFKer, immediately afterwards.

It should be noted that I inspected his gear before the run, and he was decked out in green quest rewards. Hardly a blue in sight. If he had been my friend, I would've taken the time to explain him his class before inviting him into an instance run. I tried to be polite to him, but it was a struggle.

lol i think the warrior you was with lorimath had a brother on my server lower lvl i was on my lvl 26 warr in WC (dont ask i was bored need the 20+ to get exp), when they had another warr i mean i am arms with 5 in fury for crit but i have tank gear cause i was prot so all sta i can get with out haveing a lvl 70 it was clear i was tanking due to lvl of me and mobs other warr was lvl 20 or so i think but he would charge mobs on my pull all the time no big deal since he wasnt under mobs lvl really but if he keeps it up he will get owned one of these days like the guy you was grouped with. i dont know i guess some peeps dont think or maybe just mad they aint tanking and want to. sorta like the lvl 30 mage in rfk i was 26 we would get like 6 mobs cause mage would pull no sheep rouge ddint get to sap and mage would aoe before i could even get 2 sunders i would tc to start to get some aggro but while i was doing that mage was casting blizzard and running like a mad man needless to say we ended up dieing after about 6 min in there.

Who would that be, Axhead?

Lol, my worst wartard was the guy tanking Uld in battle stance with S&S, who never used TC or sunder armor (and obviously not revenge or taunt). "Why don't you use sunder armor?"
"Cuz I'm not in def stance" (Hadnt played a war in a while forgot sunder was available in all stances, but bear with me)
"Why aren't you in d stance?"
"Cuz it sucks"
So I'm sitting here on my pally, healing 4 targets every fight, and wiping on trash. So I leave. "Why'd you leave?" "Cuz you can't hold aggro" "It's cuz you dont know how to heal." ergggg....

That's now what huntard comes from. Huntard comes from those relentless nubs that need on everything and make constant mistakes leading to inevitable and frequent wipes.



I'm talking regular Steamvaults, which cannot be tanked in fury gear nonspecced in Berserker stance, no matter how good you are. So don't lie. I generally tend to avoid DPS warriors in my group because they bring no CC and most DPS warriors that run instances, from my experience, just aren't that good. And there's the whole competing for loot thing which can sour my mood.



Which is what I did...



Agreed.



The whole thing is this DPS warrior was brought in because he was a friend of the party leaders.

Besides, this thread is just to make fun of crappy warriors others have played with. Since we all (hopefully) play warriors, we have a damn good idea of what seperates the best from the rest.

That's ironic, because i recently tanked SV in berserker stance as fury. You just need a good healer. I was in my Glad gear so i had a bit of stam and resillience as well. So yes, it is possible.

well both battle and berserker stance have the 80% threat modifier, and def stance has a 130% modifier.

it's the extra 10% damage taken in zerker that would make tanking a little ridiculous.

Really? Hmm I did not know that. I thought battle was a neutral stance, no buffs no debuffs, completely neutral, Zerk stance buffs damage output and debuffs damage reduction and threat generated, and Defensive was the polar oposite of Zerk, buff threat and damage reduction and debuffs damage output.

Probably my worst experience with having a second warrior in the group was Pre-BC in a Scholo run, I was DPSing, other warrior was trying to tank it in Battle stance.
It was after that run that my and my mate found out that their guild was full of nubs and decided against merging guilds with them

Bah, KTM ftw.

It IS possible to tank in berserker stance.

With increased damage = more threat (more rage). the extra 3% crit is nice too.

I did twice!! But its truth that DPS was slow and that I tanked like that only last boss.
I was in group with healing palla, hunter, ice mage and healing druid.
We made it to last boss but DPS was to slow to destroy tanks so we wiped twice.
Damage done by mage was puny and hunter although a good one couldn't just do it alone. In fact I did pretty much same damage as mage while tanking....

I switched to DPS gear and we killed boss first try.

I also tanked SL in DPS gear twice. All but last boss where I switched to tanking gear.

Those situations are fun and you remember it for long time but it so rare to be able to it.

Talking about threat multipliers. Believe me SS + WW is more threat at start then anything tank can do... You just need to be overgeared for that instance or have 2 very competent healers.



Actualy it is harder, unless you use TC a lot but i wouldn't call it DPS tanking, rather hybrid tanking...
WW is your friend on multiply pulls and crit helps a lot, even additional damage taken which gives you unlimited rage (unless you are dead of course).

shield slam can be done in any form i believe...

I'd have to say my experience has been quite the opposite of the OP. Are there poorly played Warriors out there? Sure. Have I suffered because of them? Nope. Huntards though.. ooooo I get so miffed!

I would instead propose the term "Worriers" since usually my encounters with an under-skilled Warrior resulted in them worrying about every detail except tanking.

In that case, I just let them DpS and make my pet keep the aggro. /whisper Priest, "Just heal my pet, the Worrier will probably think everything is running accordingly."

EditNotes: Just for you skribby poo I'm going to add some footnotes here.

In high level content the only PuG I'll do is quests. Mostly I am referring to low level instances since most poorly played high level warriors I've seen know they suck, admit they suck, and warn you that they suck. No harm no foul.

Obviously my pet isn't going to be tanking a Heroic let alone a 70's instance. I've said it to other posters around these boards, I'll say it again; learn to read between the lines mate. I never said we don't reprimand the idiots, we just ensure the mechanics of our operation are secure before we light their *** on fire. Koscher?

At any rate, a hunter misbehaving is much more costly to a group than a warrior removed from their role as tank and cast to the side as DpS. You see Skribby poo, my time is valuable. I often don't have time to just kick a Warrior and wait for another (but it briefs well). The exchange of tank to DpS is fair enough. However, with a Huntard, you either have a DpS / CC or you don't. In the event that they can't handle their group role, it becomes quite costly since what the heck else are they going to do? /boot!

Doggone Worriers man.. quit worrying so much and git'r done!

Edited, Jul 30th 2007 4:50pm by Bordagar

Dude, the Black Morass run I mentioned in my initial post was wrecked by the warrior in my party. I inspected his gear, and besides his weapons, he was in tank gear... but I was the tank, he was DPS. We did such terrible DPS that there were over 3 portals open at once. You ever see that many portals open? It means you've lost. Before the first boss. I have never had such a pitiful run, huntard or otherwise.