So recently I've been browsing these forums and investigating different type of talent builds, and I think it's time for my spec to change. I'm currently demonology and I'd like to be more mana effeciant. I'm thinking:
0/29/0
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?1500220510230000000000050300000000000000000000000000000000000000]
With the end result being:
31/8/22
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?1500220512230115010000050300000000000000000505000510230010000000]
What I'm also thinking of doing is going affliction until I can get the 41 point, then respecing for Felguard. In which case my build would look like this:
18/43/0
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?1500220411200000000002050300133250103501351000000000000000000000]
What I'm looking for is improvements on the above builds, and I'm also open to completely new builds that in your opinion, might be better then the above.
Thanks for reading.
Edit: I've been fooling around with this for a while and I can't quite figure out how to post a hyperlink within text. For example, I'd like to have people be able to click on the spec numbers and be transfered to the build on the WoW site. I hope that's understandable. Any help would be appreciated.
Edited, Jul 6th 2007 7:36am by Reclamation
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For leveling, I found it to be very fast and mana efficient to just use straight Affliction talents, without branching off to another tree. At your level, I believe my build was 29/0/0. I didn't have many talents into the Empowered Corruption yet, but I went back later on to finish them up. Personally, I haven't been too fond of the voidwalker, it feels like he hurts me more than he helps. I typically duo with a BM Hunter, or solo by Fear kiting. I don't rely very heavily on my pets at all, but that's just my playstyle.
Someone had suggested in another thread about builds that the Improved Imp was a good talent, and I can definately see how that would be true. If you want to keep your Demonology bonuses, I would suggest 21/8/0; when rolling with Affliction I hardly use any pet other than imp. Of course, that may also be related to my having Dark Pact, I don't really remember that well anymore.
As for linking things into the post, just use the link= tag in your little brackety things, or click the URL button on the top of the text entry area.
Someone had suggested in another thread about builds that the Improved Imp was a good talent, and I can definately see how that would be true. If you want to keep your Demonology bonuses, I would suggest 21/8/0; when rolling with Affliction I hardly use any pet other than imp. Of course, that may also be related to my having Dark Pact, I don't really remember that well anymore.
As for linking things into the post, just use the link= tag in your little brackety things, or click the URL button on the top of the text entry area.
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I am not going to comment on your current build as your switching from it.
Your next build while you say your switching to Affliction, is a Aff/Detro Hybrid. Looks like your trying to get a modified SM/Ruin going. First thing I;d do is drop the Imp Voidy. He will do you no good later in raids, or in PvP and honestly, you can solo better with your Imp out. Especially as you took Dark Pact, your Imp becomes a mana battery, just leave him on passive and steal his mana whenver you need it or it's full. For the Destro side, I would lose Imp. Searing Pain and take Intensity instead. You won't be using Searing Pain that often, and when you are, you'll probably be getting hit, so the avoid interuption is more important. The point that frees up can go into Shadow Embrace. Having one point there adds an affliction effect increasing Drain life through Soul Siphon. Definately worth grabbing.
Here's the build with said changes:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?1500220512231115010000350000000000000000000505000512200010000000
If your going to switch to felguard, wait until 56, that's when he really shines. You also missed some supporting talents that you will need to keep him going. And again, why do you have Imp. VW in a Felguard build, he will replace your VW. You'll also need Fel Int., Imp. Health Funnel and Demonic Res for him to survive better. You also only really need 2/3 in Mana Feed. You'll have to lose some points In Affliction to make this possible. Many people make these mistakes, get thier Felguard, and then say he sucks because they didn't have the supporting talents.
I'd go with this:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?1500220000000000000002052030133250102531301000000000000000000000
Then decide if you want to spend the remaining points on Demonic Tactics or in the Affliction tree.
Your next build while you say your switching to Affliction, is a Aff/Detro Hybrid. Looks like your trying to get a modified SM/Ruin going. First thing I;d do is drop the Imp Voidy. He will do you no good later in raids, or in PvP and honestly, you can solo better with your Imp out. Especially as you took Dark Pact, your Imp becomes a mana battery, just leave him on passive and steal his mana whenver you need it or it's full. For the Destro side, I would lose Imp. Searing Pain and take Intensity instead. You won't be using Searing Pain that often, and when you are, you'll probably be getting hit, so the avoid interuption is more important. The point that frees up can go into Shadow Embrace. Having one point there adds an affliction effect increasing Drain life through Soul Siphon. Definately worth grabbing.
Here's the build with said changes:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?1500220512231115010000350000000000000000000505000512200010000000
If your going to switch to felguard, wait until 56, that's when he really shines. You also missed some supporting talents that you will need to keep him going. And again, why do you have Imp. VW in a Felguard build, he will replace your VW. You'll also need Fel Int., Imp. Health Funnel and Demonic Res for him to survive better. You also only really need 2/3 in Mana Feed. You'll have to lose some points In Affliction to make this possible. Many people make these mistakes, get thier Felguard, and then say he sucks because they didn't have the supporting talents.
I'd go with this:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?1500220000000000000002052030133250102531301000000000000000000000
Then decide if you want to spend the remaining points on Demonic Tactics or in the Affliction tree.
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Lomyn -
Hm, well, I think that for leveling, any more than 31 pts in Affliction is a waste. Passed tier 6 Dark Pact is the only skill I'd ever get for lvling, the rest from there seem to be more PvP oriented. To me Demonic Embrace is extremely important since Stamina is a Warlock's primary attribute and spirit pretty much means nothing. As for not using a pet, I couldn't imagine that. Fear doting is just too dangerous, I'd imagine a lot of deaths and running would occur. I will look into the Improved Imp and firebolt talents, it seems valid granted the mob can be downed quick enough afterward.
Thanks for responding.
Lathais -
Well, you've convinced me to drop the Imp VW and get the Imp going, thanks for that. As for your other suggestions, I completely agree, thanks for taking the time to improve my builds.
Edited, Jul 6th 2007 10:13am by Reclamation
Hm, well, I think that for leveling, any more than 31 pts in Affliction is a waste. Passed tier 6 Dark Pact is the only skill I'd ever get for lvling, the rest from there seem to be more PvP oriented. To me Demonic Embrace is extremely important since Stamina is a Warlock's primary attribute and spirit pretty much means nothing. As for not using a pet, I couldn't imagine that. Fear doting is just too dangerous, I'd imagine a lot of deaths and running would occur. I will look into the Improved Imp and firebolt talents, it seems valid granted the mob can be downed quick enough afterward.
Thanks for responding.
Lathais -
Well, you've convinced me to drop the Imp VW and get the Imp going, thanks for that. As for your other suggestions, I completely agree, thanks for taking the time to improve my builds.
Edited, Jul 6th 2007 10:13am by Reclamation
That's what Drain Life is for. DoT up the mobs then Drain them, with Soul Siphon, 1 point in Shadow Embrace and Shadow Mastery, you can drain Mobs for more than they can hit you. Plus you have even more +Sta from the Imp, especially with points into him, Blood Pact is even better. I was full Affliction to 56 this way, never Fear DoTed, rarely used VW. Also, how are Contagion and Unstable Affliction PvP only? Extra damage on your DoTs and an Extra DoT. The extra DoT, since it's an Affliction effect, increases your Drain Life through Soul Siphon, making your Drans another 5% more effective, that;s both damage and healing.
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Hmm...well, first off I never said that Unstable Afflic was PvP only, I said that it was more PvP oriented. In my opinion, putting the points somewhere else would be more useful, considering that with the 41 pt SM/Ruin is not possible.
However, there are a few gaps in my knowledge that could completely change my opinion upon the usefulness of UA in PvE. Two questions:
1) Are there that many mobs that will try to dispel unstable afflic to make it's effect useful? And even when it may be attempted, Contagion will deny it 30% of the time.
2)What does UA stack with?
Thanks.
However, there are a few gaps in my knowledge that could completely change my opinion upon the usefulness of UA in PvE. Two questions:
1) Are there that many mobs that will try to dispel unstable afflic to make it's effect useful? And even when it may be attempted, Contagion will deny it 30% of the time.
2)What does UA stack with?
Thanks.
Yes, with UA you cannot get Ruin, However, in PvE Raids, it is generally agreed upon that unless you have at least +25% crit on gear, a UA build will out DPS a SM/Ruin build.
Mobs will not Dispel(that I know of), however, it is an extra DoT, extra damage that helps your Drains.
Nothing replaces or cancels UA, it is it's own spell, by itself. It stacks with all your other DoTs, it's just one more. You can have UA, Corr, CoA, SL and Immo all on a mob, since you don't count Immo(not an Affli effect), that's a 20%(25% if you have the 1 point in Shadow Embrace) increase to your Drain Life.
Mobs will not Dispel(that I know of), however, it is an extra DoT, extra damage that helps your Drains.
Nothing replaces or cancels UA, it is it's own spell, by itself. It stacks with all your other DoTs, it's just one more. You can have UA, Corr, CoA, SL and Immo all on a mob, since you don't count Immo(not an Affli effect), that's a 20%(25% if you have the 1 point in Shadow Embrace) increase to your Drain Life.
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Reclamation wrote:
Fear doting is just too dangerous, I'd imagine a lot of deaths and running would occur.
As dangerous as it would seem, it's actually been very safe. I have a pretty high amount of Shadow Damage gear for when I do PvE (+229), after I've loaded the mobs up with my DoT spells Siphon Life drains 60-70 a tick, Drain Life is about 110-120 a tick. Instant HoT has been very nice for mob grinding as well, DoT up 3-4 mobs, HoT, and start draining life from them (obviously Dark Pacting in there as well). I have died very few times with this method, usually it's a result of me feeling a little bigger than I am. If you feel worried about mobs running off to see their friends when they are feared, replace CoA with CoEx, and if you have to use CoR to break the fear and call them back. It's a little more involved, but you do have a pretty good control over where your feared mobs are going.
Reclamation wrote:
1) Are there that many mobs that will try to dispel unstable afflic to make it's effect useful? And even when it may be attempted, Contagion will deny it 30% of the time.
Unsure on this one, unfortunately. I JUST got UA, so I don't know too much of its "Big Bang" potential, or what mobs will set it off.
Reclamation wrote:
2)What does UA stack with?
In terms of gear, +Spell damage and +Shadow Damage, I know for sure. For talents, I believe that Shadow Mastery works for it, as the description I receive for UA tells me it does 700 something (I think 726?) damage as opposed to the 660 listed in the talent tree. It is a quick casting, powerful DoT, and from what I've seen of it so far it is very, very nice.
Not sure if this is relevant, but I remember reading a few months ago that UA actually could outdamage the SM/Ruin build, but that was contingent on DoTs running their full course. I unfortunately cannot back this up with numbers, if I see any I'll post them.
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