Would you consider Mutilate a good "stunlock" buildFollow

Mutilate doesn't stunlock.

Here's how I fight with Mutilate:

CS>[Wait for poison to proc]>Mut>[Wait for 60+ energy]>KS>Mut>Mut>Evis

And in between CS and Mut, if the poison doesn't proc, I'll most likely KS or Gouge.

Stunlock? Eh, maybe.

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Edited, Mar 1st 2007 9:51pm by Shaolinz

If stunlocking is going from 100 to 0...can anything stunlock anymore? Mutilate isn't as good as Hemo for stuns, but it is decent.

I didn't say it was a bad PvP build, I said it was bad at stunlocking. It PvPs quite well, but when you really need that finesse, it falls short. That 10 seconds isn't nearly enough to kill well geared opponents at level 70, unless you're talking about a mage that won't be sitting there for the 10 seconds anyway.


The entire idea of stunlock is that they don't come out. Doing a lot of damage while they're stunned isn't a stunlock.


Mutilate lacks energy management. Combine the fact that your CPs cost 60 energy per group, and that you have to blow all your CPs at once, and you will quickly find yourself without any means to further incapacitate your opponent while they're still very much alive.

Mutilate does one thing: It kills ****, and does it fast. This is not stunlocking, and it never will be. Want to stunlock? Spec Hemo.

/agree

There is a huge difference between stunning and stunlocking. Hemo excels at stunlocking. It's great for dueling and world PVP because the energy management is superb. Unfortunately Hemo is lackluster for battlegrounds, because with so many opponents around, you're typically dead long before you can finish your stunlock.

My take on mutilate is that it offers a lot of control in the fight.

1.Cheapshot(4 second stun) opener gives you 2cp's+ mutilate 2cp's (with crit 3) meaning you can
2.Kidney shot your opponent for another 6 seconds worth of stun.
You mutilate again at which point your opponent should definitely be poisoned and taking heavy damage.10 seconds worth of beating down means that even plate wearing classes are feeling the hurt at this point.
3.If faced against plate wearers you gouge since in BG's you're using mind numbing and crippling poisons so you know that the gouge wont be breaking.
4.Kidney shot should have cooled down and you have enough combo points to continue keeping your opponent immobile. Just keep working your opponent. (you can still blind them if need be)

step 3 can change if you are fighting a cloth wearing class, a 4 or 5 point Cold Blood eviscerate means heavy damage enough to kill them.

This is just how I have fought every class. I can't claim to be an expert on "stunlocking" but I can usually walk away from a fight with barely any damage taken.

If anyone wants to describe the difference between stunned and stunlocking I'd like to know. Thanks

If hemo = best stunlock and full subtle = best 1/2 hitter, am I correct in asumming that mutilate is the perfect balance between the two? :p

Decent stunlock with the capability to deal large damage in a short amount of time?

I saw this and had to add my view.

I am a 66 Rogue and have been using Mut for quite a while. I was acutally surfing the forum to look up info on Hemo build vs Mut.

In my personal experience Mutilate is a hell of a stunlock tool. BUT it is heavily dependant on crit%, timing, cb cooldown and luck.

Here is my basic rundown in 1 on 1:

1) Energywatch your CS to just before a tick. (if you can)
2) Swing away untill your target is poisoned (I use crip and wound/deadly depending on my target)
3) As soon as your opponent is poisoned or you are about to run out of time hit them with your first Mut. Depending on your build you should most likely have 5 cp now.
4) KS
5) CB + ATTK+ trinks
6) Mutilate
7) options... if your fighting a plate i usually gouge to recoop some cd time. if you up against a clothie a 3rd mut should end the fight.
8) more options... you can vanish and start the cycle again (if you are sneaky you can just restealh just as gouge runs out), blind and do the same or go toe to toe via evis.

At this point you have taken 0 damage and your opponent should be dead or close. And yes I have fought some pretty tough wars but they are still hurting pretty good. Some pallies/wars die by the 3rd mut. Maybe they had bad gear?

Now before i get a nasty reply let me add that I have never had a hemo build so i dont know the hemo process on stunlocking BUT i have fought them. If im at full HP at the start there is a very high likelyhood that i can toss in a blind before they kill me. From that point i have little health but will usually win because they have no second chances. I have done this on several random lvl 65-70 rogues. So Hemo vs Mut... in those cases i come out of top even if they jump me (which is usually the case if they are 70). Maybe they were all badly geared nubs? I dont know but that is my personal experience.

Anyway my point is Mutilate gives you a strong tool but its very flawed. If your first mutilate does not crit your looking at really crappy damage... if your CB is not up your stuck up the same stream. But used properly it is deadly. I have killed every class with it in lots of situations. Draw your own conclusions though, this is just my personal experience.

Well explained nooble, there are still a lot of people think that stunning for 10-15 seconds is stunlock, which is completely different. I just respec from Hemo to Multilate to try out (also due to the limited sword award in Outland), you can't lock the target by all time using Multilate build, energy is a big problem. There are definitely some gaps and that can lead to your target to stunlock you back (if he is a rogue).

When Multilate crits, it rocks, but I miss my Hemo now. I died more easily nowadays if they are more adds and I just burnt my Vanish/Sprint/Blind. :(

Controlling the fight and stunlocking are not always the same. With mutilate you can control very well, but you probably wont stunlock someone to death.

Ok, Nooble, then according to you there is no stunlock build because you aren't going to 100-0 anyone (other than poorly geared cloths) with Hemo either.

And blind is a valid tool for stunlocking. They are still unable to attack. This isn't like Poly which is actually resetting the fight since it heals you.

So you are left with two choices: either stunlocking is a myth and Rogues can't actually do it or a stunlock is locking someone down with stuns as long as possible in order to win the battle. Even if some small percentage of the time they aren't stunned.

Last night in Zangramarsh. 62 rogue, vs 62 hunter. Hunter had full HP and mana ( i even let him drink) and was previously ganked by me so I assume he knew i was "around".

Killed within 8 seconds. All through stunlock.

So yeah, mutilate can be a good stunlock build against non-plate or mage targets at least.