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swords or daggers, and whyFollow

#1 Sep 06 2006 at 10:17 PM Rating: Decent
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yeah, thats my question
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#2 Sep 06 2006 at 11:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Swords while leveling, Daggers end-game.

This is a really open ended question though, if I felt like it, I could flame / debate myself for a good hour and a half...
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#3 Sep 07 2006 at 6:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Will you be playing more PVE or PVP?

In general:

You'll be backstabbing alot with daggers.

A sword rogue will be doing more stunlocking while using either sinister strike or Hemo.

Both are viable.

Play around with it and see which suits your play style more.
#4 Sep 07 2006 at 8:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Im a 29 twink sword rouge, and disputably the best on my group for cross realm BGs, and my realm, the only thing that stands a chance is a hunter, and even then i know how to un kite kiters... I am swords and I have been daggers and played a 49 dagger rogue, here is what i have come to notice... Daggers do nice nice very nice 1 massivly huge crit in one time, but the other day, a dagger rogue crit me for his main hand... 94... im pretty sure it was the equalvilent to horde scouts blade.... honestly thats pathetic, AND back stab and ambush use some much energy, its sickly, now a well equiped sword rogue, can do a good 500 dmg without off hand every SS, and with talents, thats about half of the energy needed for backstab/ambush... Thats why I rolled Sword Rogue
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#5 Sep 13 2006 at 3:55 AM Rating: Decent
i think that swords are mostly for end-gaming and leveling because with swords you do huge amount og dmg with sinister strike and you also don't need to be behind you'r target,so attacking is also easier. and if you are fighting a mob with a pat/another mob behind you, you won't pull the pat/grp/mob behind the target if you'r using swords. though daggers are pwnage in BG and pvp, they also fit leveling. This is my opinion, but both are fine, just find the one you like better .
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#6 Sep 13 2006 at 10:59 PM Rating: Decent
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I think they could really do us some good by reducing backstab and ambush's energy useage. I use 3/4 of my energy on ambush and then I sit around trying to avoid damage while I wait for energy. I twinked myself and I have fun in BG's the only part I don't enjoy is when a team plays. I would like to have a team of twinks on horde side as well. I know they are out there but probably few and far between. I have noticed that most rogues aruond my level are using swords and the only reason they win is because they are with friends usually. If I get one or 2 alone seperate from the others I usually can kill them both without much of a problem. Life Stealing usually helps a lot with 2 extreemly fast daggers.

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#7 Sep 14 2006 at 1:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Just comes down to personal prefrence really. End game you can use swords or daggers... or maces/fists if you so choose. Generally you're going to be sticking to combat daggers/swords for PvE endgame. For PvP... you can go hemo with any nice slow sword/fist/mace (which there really aren't many), or you can go with a seal fate or cb/prep dagger build.

As far as energy costs... SS and BS are pretty much ballanced. If you find that you're waiting around too much for energy after your initial ambush... consider getting an energy watch mod so that you can time your ambush right before you get an additional tick (allowing an instant backstab - or as close to that as you can get with the global cooldown).
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#8 Sep 14 2006 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
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GregorianChants wrote:
I think they could really do us some good by reducing backstab and ambush's energy useage.

There would be no point in being any other type of Rogue but dagger if that happened. Personally I've crit on Ambush for over 2000 and Backstab for over 1800, and reducing the energy costs on either of them would be just plain broken.

If you can't kill multiple people, I'd say it's your own problem. Rogue is one of the best classes at killing multiple opponents in PvP.
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#9 Sep 14 2006 at 7:31 PM Rating: Decent
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As far as energy costs... SS and BS are pretty much ballanced. If you find that you're waiting around too much for energy after your initial ambush... consider getting an energy watch mod so that you can time your ambush right before you get an additional tick (allowing an instant backstab - or as close to that as you can get with the global cooldown).


Isn't SS 40 and BS 65?

While My opinon is Sword is good for soloing. There are alot of nice combos that i do to up my Dps 150-160. but in groups i say Dagger cause of ambush and Backstab. But like everyone else play around with it.
#10 Sep 14 2006 at 7:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Tyious wrote:
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As far as energy costs... SS and BS are pretty much ballanced. If you find that you're waiting around too much for energy after your initial ambush... consider getting an energy watch mod so that you can time your ambush right before you get an additional tick (allowing an instant backstab - or as close to that as you can get with the global cooldown).


Isn't SS 40 and BS 65?

While My opinon is Sword is good for soloing. There are alot of nice combos that i do to up my Dps 150-160. but in groups i say Dagger cause of ambush and Backstab. But like everyone else play around with it.

Combat Sword Rogues are top of DPS charts in endgame for a reason.
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#11 Sep 14 2006 at 11:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Theophany wrote:
Tyious wrote:
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As far as energy costs... SS and BS are pretty much ballanced. If you find that you're waiting around too much for energy after your initial ambush... consider getting an energy watch mod so that you can time your ambush right before you get an additional tick (allowing an instant backstab - or as close to that as you can get with the global cooldown).


Isn't SS 40 and BS 65?

While My opinon is Sword is good for soloing. There are alot of nice combos that i do to up my Dps 150-160. but in groups i say Dagger cause of ambush and Backstab. But like everyone else play around with it.

Combat Sword Rogues are top of DPS charts in endgame for a reason.


Comming from a sword rogue myself... the reason for that is because 1) Your combat dagger rogues are undergeared or 2) Your dagger rogues are seal fate or cb/prep and don't know that there are dagger builds which involve combat. I can't remember the last time I wasn't #1 or 2 on the dammage meters. My guild's rogues suffer from #2...
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#12 Sep 15 2006 at 8:55 AM Rating: Decent
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So my 2cp:

Try a bunch of different specs and see what fits your playing style. Sword rogues tend to play much like warriors (IMO) and are capable of dealing very consistant damage. I found them somewhat boring - although I was 3/31/12 when I switched they may get more interesting when they are filled out.

I switched to a premed rogue just to give it try. - so far the jury is out but I can say this, it provides a lot more options both in groups and solo. It is very different from a combat rogue -Ill let you all know how I like it after I have figured everything out.

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#13 Sep 19 2006 at 6:46 AM Rating: Decent
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For end-game raiding I prefer daggers, however its all about positioning. If you are sloppy at getting good positioning, you are going to suck as a dagger rogue, and just go ahead and go sword spec. Naxx and AQ40 are definitely a new challenge for dagger rogues in stepping up a notch in positioning. I know quite a few dagger rogues that have switched to swords for these 2 instances, primarily because the mobs move around a lot more than the previous end-game instances. If you can hang, daggers are the way to go imho, because you can have fun and excel at both PvE and PvP.

.....also, 31/8/12 is a great PvE build. I know the numbers are there for the combat dagger rogues to say they are superior, but remember, this game also comes down to an amount of skill. I have consistently been on the top of the meters with my build, but it just comes down to how aggressive you play, and knowing how to control the aggro that comes with an aggressive play style.
#14 Sep 19 2006 at 7:57 AM Rating: Decent
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#15 Sep 19 2006 at 11:50 AM Rating: Decent
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borist wrote:
For end-game raiding I prefer daggers, however its all about positioning. If you are sloppy at getting good positioning, you are going to suck as a dagger rogue, and just go ahead and go sword spec. Naxx and AQ40 are definitely a new challenge for dagger rogues in stepping up a notch in positioning. I know quite a few dagger rogues that have switched to swords for these 2 instances, primarily because the mobs move around a lot more than the previous end-game instances. If you can hang, daggers are the way to go imho, because you can have fun and excel at both PvE and PvP.

.....also, 31/8/12 is a great PvE build. I know the numbers are there for the combat dagger rogues to say they are superior, but remember, this game also comes down to an amount of skill. I have consistently been on the top of the meters with my build, but it just comes down to how aggressive you play, and knowing how to control the aggro that comes with an aggressive play style.


The above statment is very true. If you can't position yourself as a combat dagger rogue (or as any dagger rogue) be prepared to not look so hot on the meters. Positioning isn't that hard, but it does take some practice. By the same token though, sword rogues should always be attacking from behind to minimize parry/block etc... A lot of the time that's not an issue, because when you stand in front of the mob you're hit with some sort of cone shaped attack (be it a cleave, or a fire breath, etc...). Good sword rogues will always be right next to the good dagger rogues...

That being said... effort is really what it comes down to. The only rogue in our guild that gives me a run for my money is a 21/8/22 dagger rogue that's always on top of his game, and never dies (because he knows how to manage agro). Sadly... I'm catching up to him in gear... and I can finally outdammage him on a consistant basis...
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#16 Sep 24 2006 at 8:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Personally I just want to know the macro for, switch weapon main hand with off hand. then I can do both.

Planning to do 1 initial ambush. (switch weapon) SS + flury with the slow sword (which probabally has chance on hit effect) build up points, weaponswitch, kidney shot, backstab, backstab, weaponswitch, currently I do this for bosses with the character equipment open so I can manually switch the weapons.

Just for a note, I went to zf on friday as a 49 rog. shaman 51, priest 46, rog 45 warlock 48, damage meter was 34.2% me , 29.5% shaman (whom I could never pull aggro off of) 18 % warlock, 14 % other rog.

Skills setup is 18/18/3.
and had thrash balde + scouts blade while wsg/ab equipment + senior sg bracers sg cape. shoulders was from rfd, pants from ah. helm of fire. crappy equip is the fleshide shoulders.
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#17 Sep 24 2006 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Addermine wrote:
Personally I just want to know the macro for, switch weapon main hand with off hand. then I can do both.

This should help you out.

If you're too lazy to look for it, I'm too lazy to actually type it out.
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