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#1 Dec 31 2005 at 6:43 AM Rating: Default
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If your alliance go with Night elf, there's no reason to go the other races unless you want to RP something, plus you have wisp form for faster rez, and of course shadowmeld which gives you a better stealth (don't use shadowmeld, just use stealth it's auto). It's a far far better race for rogues.

In addition the following talents are almost crucial, "master of Deception" (harder to see through stealth) Cold blood (instant crit as long as you don't miss. not bad).

For builds look into Assassination or Combat, Subtly sounds good in the first 20-40 levels, however once you're in the 40-60 range you're battles are going to be longer, the subtly are one time opening attacks for the most part (preparation and Ghostly Strike are useful but not enough for the points)

Most importantly this page ignores one point.. Rogues get massive boosts to dodge from their AGI, don't worry about a lower Def, because your dodge will make up for it, you'll get hit about half the time. Just pump agi, doesn't sound important early on but you'll learn. Rogues get 4/3rd the bonus (aka if you put 15 points down you get almost 20 points worth of dodge). The only other class that gets a change is the Hunters where they pay 25 for the 20 points of dodge protection.

In addition go with sword/mace/dagger, which ever has the highest DPS grab it, switch when you need, and spec only at 60. As a Rogue you'll have a much higher DPS then most of the other classes, especially a warrior, and it's your saving grace, practically he reason you'll fight stuff two levels higher then you from level 1 til level 60.

Finally out side of those who Engineer, they are the ONLY class who has any chance of lock picking, many rogues open stuff for free/tips but you'll need a rogue to open those chests, unless you want to blow them up with charges.
#2 Dec 31 2005 at 8:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Well gnomes are freakin good rogues too.
Escape artist rocks... they are small so you gona have an hard time targeting them in large fights when they sprinting around.. (yes you can use the tab key but large fights = many targets ) and they are sooo cute *cuddle*

Humans preseption (or however its spelled) is great too, makes it easier to find other rogues and even catform druids.
And sword mastery is nice for those combat rogues i guess.

And imo coldblood is one of those skills i almost never used when i had it :P (save for an rainy day..) even tho i have preperation. dont know why really... maybe because i crit on almost every attack anyway :P
Im 15/8/28 right now :)

And i always has been and will always be an dagger rogue..
just personal taste :)

Oh btw blacksmiths can open locked doors and lockboxes also
#3 Dec 31 2005 at 9:32 PM Rating: Default
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didn't know that, but good to know, but again it's a trade skill, not a class.

Cold blood is good if you want a definate crit, it shouldn't be relied on but it's a good skill to have.. that with prep is deadly (back to back crits on ambush and evis?)

While human and gnomes are good, I still believe a rogues first req is keeping the stealth up, if your pvping that's another story but in game Night Elf is best, with master of decepetion and NE you're going to be a couple level higher then other rogues, not bad.

If your going against rogues, yeah humans the way to go. also anything that can hold a rogue in place will really annoy a rogue, most (including me) don't really invest in range weapons, relying on it to give AGI boosts instead of attack.
#4 Dec 31 2005 at 10:25 PM Rating: Good
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Kinglink wrote:
If your alliance go with Night elf, there's no reason to go the other races unless you want to RP something, plus you have wisp form for faster rez, and of course shadowmeld which gives you a better stealth (don't use shadowmeld, just use stealth it's auto). It's a far far better race for rogues.

The only notable strength Night Elf has is in Rogue vs. Rogue. Dwarf has the best racials by far, and Human/Gnome are still above Night Elf.
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In addition the following talents are almost crucial, "master of Deception" (harder to see through stealth) Cold blood (instant crit as long as you don't miss. not bad).

MoD is not crucial, its only useful in Rogue vs. Rogue. There is basically no need for improved stealth except in stealth wars. I'll give you Cold Blood, but only because it happens to be in most viable builds.
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For builds look into Assassination or Combat, Subtly sounds good in the first 20-40 levels, however once you're in the 40-60 range you're battles are going to be longer, the subtly are one time opening attacks for the most part (preparation and Ghostly Strike are useful but not enough for the points)

Subtlety is not useful for leveling, only good at 60. And there are good builds that get Preparation.
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In addition go with sword/mace/dagger, which ever has the highest DPS grab it, switch when you need, and spec only at 60. As a Rogue you'll have a much higher DPS then most of the other classes, especially a warrior, and it's your saving grace, practically he reason you'll fight stuff two levels higher then you from level 1 til level 60.

Take the one with the highest DPS and the best damage range. You can't start SSing with a dagger or an extremely fast mace/sword because it has good DPS.
Kinglink wrote:
While human and gnomes are good, I still believe a rogues first req is keeping the stealth up, if your pvping that's another story but in game Night Elf is best, with master of decepetion and NE you're going to be a couple level higher then other rogues, not bad.

What area of the game is keeping stealth up difficult or even important? Rogue vs. Rogue PvP. Thats basically it. Stealth plays no notable role in PvE and avoiding stealth detection is trivial in PvP unless your opponent is also stealthed. I really have no idea how you can make this claim, especially since you seem to be talking about PvE and not PvP.

Edited, Sat Dec 31 22:31:30 2005 by Cyadore
#5 Jan 01 2006 at 12:07 AM Rating: Default
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Undead rogue is greater than all. WoTF puts the smack down on most classes. Dont roll alliance bullsh1t.
#6 Jan 04 2006 at 4:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Kinglink wrote:If your alliance go with Night elf, there's no reason to go the other races unless you want to RP something, plus you have wisp form for faster rez, and of course shadowmeld which gives you a better stealth (don't use shadowmeld, just use stealth it's auto). It's a far far better race for rogues.


The only notable strength Night Elf has is in Rogue vs. Rogue. Dwarf has the best racials by far, and Human/Gnome are still above Night Elf.


Agree with this, NEs stink.

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Undead rogue is greater than all. WoTF puts the smack down on most classes. Dont roll alliance bullsh1t.

What does ur WotF say against Orc Hardiness? huh? HUH?
ppl, dont be stupid, mmkay? Dwarfs/Orcs are best in PVE/PVP, just live with the fact that fatties rule.
#7 Jan 04 2006 at 12:55 PM Rating: Decent
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HaHa. Troll Berzerk By Far. that is my Favorite Racial. Especially after the new patch. Stack Blade Furry, Troll Berzerk, and 1 or 2 points of Slice and Dice on any Boss Fight. and Watch your DPS Sky Rocket!! Not to mention how you totally drop the boss quicker. Just be sure and keep feint Extra handy
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#8 Jan 04 2006 at 2:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Trolls Berzerk is a clear pwner.. I would choose Troll over UD any time... also looking. like trolls look :P but Berzerk is VERY good, espeically now
#9 Jan 05 2006 at 12:13 AM Rating: Decent
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ok people need to understand the difference ebtween what you like and what is the best racial for a rogue,

ne have nothing! that 1st post is from someone who just loves the elves.

alliance - dwarfs have it hands down what is worse than being poisoned or have a bleed effect when you need to vanish to save yourself or use your stealth abilities. cold blood removes both of these 2 effects that annoy us the most.

and for horde well taurens would be the best rogues but blizzard dont think they should be

so it goes to orcs for the stun resist, i would of said undead but the trinkets changed that.

thankyou for your time
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#10 Jan 05 2006 at 3:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Trinkets did not change a thing. Fear is the most important PvP CC effect, one fear break on a 5 minute timer is not adequate. Orc racials are certainly second best, but not competitive with WotF.
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