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#1 May 26 2007 at 1:57 AM Rating: Decent
honest question, my opinions about what they did or didnt do right with this game i will try to phrase this as unbias as possible

does the game get complex at endgame?

my question in entirety is, so far the game has been very simple and extremely cookie cutter, so far the biggest challange has been the question of finding groups for fellowship quests or to just put it off until later when maybe it wont be such a time sink to find a group for quest "X" cause it has an item i really want. im 6 days into my trial account and lvl 25 (say what you want about my play time but im not actually putting alot of time into the game) money seems to be a no brainer, crafting is -meh- at best with alot of the crafting seeming to be no better and with higher lvl reqs than many fellowship quests out there. the graphics are nice but it seems that the game is very middle of the road at best, it seems more like something i would expect from a console game rather than a top of the line MMO. i found a great guild, but im very dissapointed with the game so far. perfect example is a typical elite boss thus far is a snore fest fight and to try and spice it up they just throw in some adds.

or am i missing something? it just feels really dumbed down.

so does the game get more complex at endgame or is this really it? i know theres some raiding to do, which is why i havent thrown in the towel yet. as i would like to see what thats like but the more i play the more i have a feeling the raids are going to be pretty straight forward.

sorry for the **insert whitty putdown remark here**fest

just wondering what the game still has under its sleeve if anything thanks!!!

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#2 May 26 2007 at 6:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Its a game designed to appeal to the casual gamers and the masses. It seems to me that you are more of a hardcore MMORPG gamer who enjoys a greater level of difficulty. This game prolly isn't for you then. It is designed to give you quicker gratification than games like maybe FFXI and EQ. It won't have the feeling of accomplishemnt you get from games like FFXI where it is a real challenge to level up, or get a craft leveled up. If you are looking for a high challenge, harcore MMO, you picked the wrong game.
#3 May 26 2007 at 9:00 AM Rating: Good
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or am i missing something? it just feels really dumbed down.

I think you're missing two somethings.

First of all, the fact that you reached lvl 25 in less than a week tells me that you are in a race to level instead of taking time to experience the content.

In this game, a high body count is not the intended path to nirvana. You can take that road if you choose (it is, after all, your 15 bucks a month), but the game is about becoming immersed in the world of JRR Tolkien so turning it into a frag fest is (IMHO) missing the point.

In contrast to you, I've been working on my main character since the first day of open beta (about two months ago now) and I am currently at lvl 29. I have several alts but only of them is lvl 25, the rest are in their mid teens or less.

Last night, for example, I spent several hours in the Shire talking to NPCs and looking for materials to help one of them create some fireworks. At one point, I spent more than a half hour touring Bag End (the home of Bilbo & Frodo Baggins). I just wandered around their house, taking in the details... even sitting (for a few minutes) in a chair in front of the fire. I found it engaging, entertaining and totally involving. I hardly earned any XP and never killed a single mob but I had FUN! (at the very end of the session I did kill 8 wolves but that was a different quest)

The second thing you're missing is that the game is not intended as a vehicle for hard core gamers. It was developed with casual players in mind. It was designed to be played by people who do not want to spend every waking moment grinding out mobs and inching their character towards the level cap.

In fact, there really is no end game at this time. We don't have any raid content at all, (We'll get a single raid instance in June) and frankly, I don't think anyone is particularily worried about it.

I think that the people who are enjoying this game most are doing so because they are being afforded the opportunity to live in Tolkien's world.

Admittedly, it's not for everyone. I think that in this game, either you get it or you don't... if you don't, no harm - no foul... but maybe your time (and money) would be better spent in Warhammer or Age of Connan. Wherever you choose to go, I wish you good fortune.
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#4 May 26 2007 at 12:16 PM Rating: Good
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I'd have to agree with OBD here. Personally, I am not fond of the term "cookie cutter" but I understand it's use in this genre. The fantasy MMO is pretty common, what with EQ, EQII, DAOC, Lineage etc etc.

The game is designed to meet an expectation from the casual gamer. Read this as the person who can devote a couple hours a day to the game and doesn't want to "grind" instances or whatnot for "set pieces" of gear.

I don't think the game is necessarily "dumbed down". I think it is designed to allow a player to fully immerse themselves in Tolkiens vision as much as is humanly possible in a game. It allows you to interact with the focal characters in the books to some degree and take a small part in the start of the war of the Ring. No you don't become the savior of the day and no there is not an "end game" thing I am afraid. The "end game" for LOTR is pretty self explanatory if you've read the books and all. Sauron is defeated, the elves leave middle earth, the hobbits finally defeat Saruman and life goes on for Men. There isn't anything there that says "and Flosli helps Frodo and Sam defeat Gollum at the end by ganking Gollum while they throw the ring into the Fire, then they all map out and go wenching".

Levity aside, there is no end game content or raid specific types of encounters yet, as the game has only been out for a short time. They plan to add new zones and new content, with a new update next month. There is a lot they have to work with yet and a lot of area that can be exploited on - the Dead marshes, Shelob's Lair, Moria, Gondor, Rohan, Harad, hell, even some sea adventures since they touched on the elves leaving by taking the ships at the Grey Havens.

If you are more of a hardcore, have to have the best gear, have to be the highest level, have to be a hardcore raider, you will be very very bored with this game. It is an adventure MMO. Yeah there is grinding and yeah there is questing, but it is an adventure regardless. It's for people who like to group and ***** around but don't want to spend 12 hours in a dungeon hoping for a single drop then repeating that same thing 50 times over the next year.
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#5 May 26 2007 at 3:11 PM Rating: Decent
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There isn't anything there that says "and Flosli helps Frodo and Sam defeat Gollum at the end by ganking Gollum while they throw the ring into the Fire, then they all map out and go wenching".

...that made me bust a gut /rate up

Anyway yeah, this 'world' is more geared towards fantasy players, as of now the End Game is pvp raids, and if your into that sort of thing then there's quite a bit of that, but I myself am under the impression that turbine wants LOTR to be a true adventure, where you focus on having fun and not having the [Omega Sword of Doom] to walk around and ks a bunch of freeps.

It's actually why I left EQ for this game, I don't enjoy the 'elite' players, or thier guilds...but I did feel rather gimp at time compared to other people of the same class. I read once on a forum "When a game feels like its a job, its time to quit the game"...and that was the case.

LOTR is simply fun. Sure in a sense its easy...but that's the kind of thing that allows a person to get hooked on it...you can log in for 2 hours a day, and do alot of things even solo, where like in EQ you log in and you sit at keyboard for 2+ hours with lfg on...just hoping that someone sees you.
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#6 May 26 2007 at 3:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I understand there are people that are ex-other-mmorpg-vets and want to see what is happening @ lvl 50 because they expect that something is around @ 50. The developers are talking about raiding and endlevel content. I do enjoy the game but I think I'll have a hard time to let me be submersed by this game for more than a few months. Developing alts is fun until you are repeating the same quests for the 3rd, 4th or even 5th time. Levelling your crafting isn't fun at all ; it's basically a simple (bugged) animation and you just need some ingredients to start it.

No matter how slow you level you will end up near 50 in a month or 2 after you started this game and played with 1 character. I really do hope for every type of player in this game, be it a hardcore lvl 50 racer or a Tolkien-fan wanting to act as if they are a Hobbit and wander around the hills, that we all still have fun after 6 months since several peeps got a lifetime subscription. Since the lifetime subscription starts to pay off after 12 months or so I assume the devs will be adding a lot of content, maybe once every 3 months to keep everybody happy. New quests and lore for the lore-lovers and more mobs, quests and items for the racers.

However, one doesn't exclude the other ; if you do not want to raid with 24 people against a very hard boss that drops a few items that might be useful for you then don't do that. If you don't want to complete every deed or every quest, no matter if they are 10 levels below your own, then don't. Just play the game the way you like it. So far we had a bit of a rough start (loginserverproblems) but it's quite fine right now.
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#7 May 26 2007 at 5:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Also, the upcoming content update in June is providing at least one raid-level 'dungeon'. For some reason I thought there was another already in the game but, at level 35, I wouldn't know for sure.
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#8 May 26 2007 at 7:40 PM Rating: Decent
thanks for the response though some were quite glib. i agree that this game is very much meant for the casual player, i just dont see any difficulty (and for those very quick people that doesnt mean that i wish to camp a rare mob for an even rarer drop for 4 days on end) in anything that i have done so far and from the sounds of it while in the works there really isnt yet. thats all i needed to know, thanks. btw i know you cant affect the outcome of the story, i grew up on the trilogy, minus one.

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