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#1 May 25 2007 at 5:36 AM Rating: Decent
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I have a 84 Jedi, and since Chapter 6 I keep getting killed by NPC's that con white or above. Isn't a Jedi supposed to be the ultimate fighter? I can't even take on two bull tulruses of lvl 81. wtf? have other professions had similar changes?
#2 May 25 2007 at 6:15 AM Rating: Decent
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ya it must suck theres actualy challenge now.

BTW, IIRC, white is same level, so it makes sense they would potentialy kill you
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#3 May 25 2007 at 7:26 AM Rating: Decent
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I find it ok I suppose, if I get killed by an elite (which I can still most likely solo) fine, I die. But it just sucks trying to grind up, it should be skill based, not lv based.
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#4 May 25 2007 at 7:44 AM Rating: Decent
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The changes to combat do suck, what i could solo before is practically impossible now. It would be ok if it was just more difficult but this is ridculous, they want us to group more now is what i have heard. I could solo NK necrosis before np, now i can't even stay alive with a group of 3-4 lvl 90 jedi's for more than 10 secs how is that more challenging? It is stupid and the game is not fun anymore. I even changed my expertise and i got a little better, but not enough, they need to make it a little more fair again. I fear they r going to lose many customers over this and i may be one of them.
#5 May 25 2007 at 8:18 AM Rating: Decent
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It's harder now, and thats a great thing. Now you have to get buffed before fighting, no more "walk-up-to-npc-and-hold-down-mouse-to-win"
All the pre-cu players i've talked to love it, and 99% of the NGE players hate it.. go figures rofl

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#6 May 25 2007 at 9:40 AM Rating: Decent
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like i have said b4 chapter 6 maybe fine for lvl 90's who are already established but it may be alot harder for new comers, especially ones that havent played an MMO and have chosen SWG as there first, i mean isnt that in a way what we want to attract (not 10y.o jedi's) but gamers that will stay and help it continue. But i suppose the other argument would be that if they care and are worth keeping they will put up with it.

But i have already seen an increase in grouping which i pefer anyways so chapter 6 in my opnion is ok if seen as what it's worth not what it shows, if you understand that at all :P
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#7 May 25 2007 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Basically, the changes are more than welcome - but they were applied to the game at the wrong time!

We are supposed to group up - very good intention, very bad execution because how am I supposed to group with others, if most of the time I am pretty much by myself?

There are not enough new players to form capable groups for the tasks you have to face while grinding up.


In theory all of it would work out - in theory, SWG would be a gr8 game, but face it, we are living in reality and this means that the combat changes will probably turn away even more people - just like myself. I was leveling a second char and had reached lvl48 before C6 hit and now I am at Kashyyyk, hardly able to accomplish anything because there is not a single additional player on planet (Kettemoor server) - I am out as of day after tomorrow (I only subscribed to see what came with C5 and got lucky to get an extended glimpse at C6) and will not be back before C7.

Sorry, but the thread's subject line is right on point for players who want to play PvE.
#8 May 25 2007 at 12:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Awwwwwwww your all powerful Jedi is getting munched...bummer can't say I feel for you. The only reason you are playing the Jedi is becaues it's "Ultimate Fighter". Now you can't grind by yourself. Dude!...this a a game based on group quests. You can solo some of them, but the majority should be grouped unless you are Uber Pansie With A Glowing Stick Jedi or Commando the Walking Turret with a planet killing blaster. This time...I'm siding with the Vets on this one. Is it realistic for one person to kill a rancor....I know luke did it. Wasn't that luck he found the rock to crush the door control...not the force. If I'm not mistaken he didn't use his powers through the whole fight. Oh and by the way I complete 2 quests today on Kashyyyk with a 30 level charater solo. It involved more running than fighting this time, and I had to formulate a plan instead of turning off the brain and mashing buttons. It means you have to think now...no more getting blown out of your mind with drink and weed and playing for hours. Rise to the challenge...don't ***** like a little kid......It's Toooo Haaaaaaaaard! I hear that from my 12 yr old when she plays Mario Sunshine. Come on people you are adults for the most part. Act like it and work for what you want. If Mando Armor was easy to get everyone would have it. I have a full suit of armor to make it, but lack the levels and fire power to do it. So wait until I can find a group to go in with. Thats the way to play the game patients and planing all RPG should be like that. Not a shooters delight. I applaud the change and if you that weak minded and willed the game will live long after you have given up. Don't join my gruop because you are a liability, and you will get any group you join smoked like a $5 doobie!

Edited, May 25th 2007 4:13pm by Azrielis
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#9 May 26 2007 at 3:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah! It sucks so much I left for another easier galaxy not so far away, reality. I see "grinding" as a hook to keep you paying for your subscription. Hear this too. After dealing for a couple of days with the "all servers are down" announcement, they tell me to close my firewall and virus protection. What do they care about anyone's computer being vulnerable or for that matter any puny level 73, or level 84 jedi. SOE is in it for the buck not Star Wars fans. For you die hards, tell me what to do with a maxed snare ability that can't snare level 50 creatures that used to snare level 80s. Yeah, we should be inspired to play smarter, but having to "grind" harder and longer, even with cohorts, is still being repetitiously dumb no matter how you cut it. I dont think its being smart to pay, to play being dumb no matter how far far away the galaxy. Shame on SOE and Lucas Arts.
#10 May 26 2007 at 8:38 PM Rating: Decent
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It was way too easy before I could solo purple mobs more often than not!
#11 May 28 2007 at 1:43 AM Rating: Decent
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some elites can be soloed like rancor elites but it takes some minor kiting skills and you can no longer kite straight other things can't be soloed like a treasure map but yea it feels like a real MMORPG now- how tragic.
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#12 May 28 2007 at 2:50 AM Rating: Decent
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That's strange, cause i've soloed over 20 treasure maps now..
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#13 May 28 2007 at 3:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Actually, I enjoy the combat changes.

The only flaw I see is that Chapter 6 is based off three main reasons.

1) Anyone and everyone who was CL86+ found the game rather dull since PvE content was few and far.

2) Mid-Level content players (50-70ish) wanted to close the gap in questing experience.

3) Something new in which this game has not really had in awhile.

However, how great this chapter may seem. I give it a 8.5/10. I admit that it is fun however the combat changes seriously hurt the casual player.

There are too many bugs before this release that should have been the primary focus before upgrading anything. It would have given a more positive boost.

Before 6 I was grinding up a Medic alternative. Enjoying the class, but I was getting a tad frustrated. Action Cost was taking up maximum Stamina instead of base calculations. So, I was using up nearly 3x more Stamina then I should have been. Also, enviroment collision, NPCs somehow managed to shoot through walls when you can not.

Personally, I would have rathered had a Game Balance Pass rather then what we have now. Not saying I don't enjoy chapter 6 but for lower level/casual players it will be a great hassle to deal with.

P.S. MMORPGs does not mean you are forced group. It was meant for interaction. My two cents anyways.
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the following statement is probably going to shock some people, so, be prepared.

i didnt think that ch6 was going to make that much of a difference, i initially saw the beastlord thing as gimmicky - maybe it is, but there have been enough improvements now that im seriously considering continuing with my account, and maybe reactivating a few of my old ones, which are entertainers/traders. i made over 3 million cr in about 30 mins making incubators, although took me 2 days to create the factory crafted items to make them :D so if your looking for an incubator on tarquinas,im selling them for 250,000 cr each, and ber14 geothermal harvies for 50,000 cr. and since mine seem to be better than most of the others that are for sale and for less than 1/4 of the price of the cheapest :D

so, if chapter 7 makes as big an improvement as chapter 6 has, then things arent looking quite so bad after all :D
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#15 May 28 2007 at 11:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Karminak wrote:
That's strange, cause i've soloed over 20 treasure maps now..


i guess i just need more practice at soloing 3 level 90 NPC elites..

/shrug

Edited, May 28th 2007 4:01pm by Jerok
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#16 May 28 2007 at 1:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Or you just need better equipment and a new tactic..
Once you dig up the treasure, run to drop agro. Then go back and use a droid to attack one if they are standing to close to eachother. They are very easy to pull one at the time without agroing the others. Good luck
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#17 May 29 2007 at 4:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Like I said before I have a so-so disposition towards Chapter 6. But may I be so bold to ask that wouldn't more people turn to credit farmers to buy all the top notch loot and equipment now that places like Sher Kar, HK, NK and DWB are next to impossible to complete grouped let alone soloed? It renders SOE's crusade to stop the credit influx ended.
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#18 May 29 2007 at 6:41 AM Rating: Decent
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I think that chapter 6 is a little fun because there are more challenges to deal with and much harder to solo but i think that swg went a little too far like for hand its impossible to solo emperors hand and why is it 6-8 hours when it should be like 1 hour and the hand heals so dam fast for some reason i wish the swg will nerf back the orginal swg :)
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Karminak wrote:
Or you just need better equipment and a new tactic..
Once you dig up the treasure, run to drop agro. Then go back and use a droid to attack one if they are standing to close to eachother. They are very easy to pull one at the time without agroing the others. Good luck


cool.. i gave up on trying to just pull 1 i will try again now. i kept fighting all 3 at once before.
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so basically from what i can see is CH 6 is a IM ALL RIGHT JACK ***** YOU THAT CANT DEAL, that sound familar to any one?

Thats why you cant find anyone to group with these days in the first place.

Can solo NK? could some one plese tell me why a lvl 90 shouldn't be able to solo a lvl 60 playground mission?? AFTER ALL YOU WANTED A LEVEL SYSTEM AND I GET SLAGGED OFF FOR FOR BERATTING IT.

Sometimes the hypicriticalness of it all makes me sick. and this place is getting more and more like the loser trolls of the main sony boards i retreated from in the 1st place and well thanx for that people, guess its time to start looking for a new home

Oh and i got a jedi as well you gonna slag me offf for that???






Edited, May 29th 2007 6:24pm by EmjayR
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#21 May 29 2007 at 4:38 PM Rating: Decent
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No Racer....I'm not going to "Slagg" you for having a Jedi.....you earned yours. I see your point...I was a Kashyyyk today and had to clone 4 times fighting things a full 15 lvls below me. More difficult would have been appreciated....near impossible is not. I have BH armor with 3 stats on all but one piece and still I was getting smoked. I see all of your points now...I do like some of Chapter 6....but definitely not all of it. Someone said in the thread that I started that space in the only untouched area....as far as I can tell this is true...but say this quitely please...I don't want SOE messing with it.
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#22 May 30 2007 at 3:08 AM Rating: Decent
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i just thought that harder combat would mean people grouped more, i'd like to see more of that really, solo gameplay doesnt have any appeal to me, it never has, so anything that encourages interraction is good for me, but i can see that not everyone wants to be part of a group, there are those that only solo, i dont know what the answer is tbh, whether they need to rebalance things slightly, i dont know, i would say though, that in other games, elites are not meant to be solo'd and i dont have a problem with that, but none elites should be well within a players capability, unless he's fighting outside of their own level, or has a numerical disadvantage, whether its because people have gotten used to weak mobs and are having trouble adjusting i dont know, hopefully they will keep on working on this. as has been said already, space is still pretty much as it was not just pre-nge, but pre-cu too. its one area where traders can make equipment thats superior to the looted varieties. with very few exceptions anyway :D
the only thing now is can SOE improve their standing with players enough, the 14 day trial is good, but, it also has the downside of making it easy for RMT'ers to infiltrate the game.
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#23 May 30 2007 at 6:28 AM Rating: Decent
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I have to say that what I have played so far in this Chapter has been quite enjoyable. I'm still in the mid levels and restarting the Legacy quests, after a lttle break, now there seems to be a lttle more of a challenge and i actually have to think about my strategy for going to 'A' and killing 8 mobs. I even managed to solo a treasure map, got incapped 3 times and the treasure was next to useless, but i did it.
I do feel sorry for the people who have been let down by this chapter (and no doubt by the time i'm meeting the elite mobs i'll be calling for a reduction in difficulty), but stick with it I'm sure a change in strategy will help. You never know the devs might of got it right and this will see a return of grouping and hopefully a return of a sense of community in the game.
Anyway that's just my thoughts, I don't mean to alienate anyone and I'm certainly not flaming, I just have enjoyed the challenge.

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Az I'm afraid they must have been listening, Chapter 8 is going to deal mainly with space. At the moment it just looks like some new ships and missions, but you never know what daftness they may come up with. Hopefully they will just stop at the new stuff, personally I think they should have a new chapter that just deals with sorting all the glitches out.
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#24 May 30 2007 at 1:52 PM Rating: Decent
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The saddening thing is that in most servers there just isn't enough people to group with, so this combat change came at a very, very, VERY, wrong time, if only SOE did something that actually brought more loyal members to the game then I'd proudly accept the difficulty change, I could do with a challenge, thats why I solo the Avatar platform or have swarms of lv90+ spiders chasing down my alt when grinding, but what SOE's given me is a cliff to jump off, its that ridiculously impossible, I have one of the best bloody lightsabers and stat suits lol, difficulty change should be moved to a time when the game really gets more players, not now.
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#25 May 30 2007 at 5:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Bummer....I was hoping they would leave it alone.....if they just adding ships and quests...cool. If not....well Racer...if you read this....I may join you if they bone space. Until then I will endevor to finish my piloting lines.
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