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#1 Aug 01 2005 at 8:38 AM Rating: Decent
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I just want to make a good damage dealing toon lol. I was wondering out of Bard,Monk,Rogue,Ranger - which one has the potential to do the most damage? and what stats would i add to each of them to make them a GREAT DD, not a dueler or soloer, but a pure DD.. I'm not worried out taking hits and stat requirments for MC, just worried about being a good DD.
#2 Aug 01 2005 at 12:31 PM Rating: Good
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If you are looking for just damage you would probably want a rogue or a monk. They do the most damage overall.

Rogues get PP to help with repairs, their primary power pool is dex secondary agi. They need Str and dex for damage, agi for power and defense, sta for hp, dont neglect sta on a rogue, a dd is useless if they die too quick.

Monk can heal, and cure poison and disease which gives them more staying power. Primary power pool is dex, secondary sta. They need str/dex for damage, sta for hp and power, and agi doesnt hurt.
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#3 Aug 01 2005 at 12:57 PM Rating: Good
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I never played a melee too long. Best i had was a 22 monk, but each one is fun to play and can do a lot of damage.

Monks are a blast to watch as you kick the crap out of mobs a do spin kicks, but there is something about being a ranger and watching procs light up that is so appealing.

Rogues are cool too, but I never found tunar to be a problem except in the early stages of the game. By the end you have enough tunar or can farm it for just about anything you want.

For stats they all basically need the same stats for damage, they just have different power pool stats. Dirges makes good points about stamina though, never negelect it on any of your toons.
#4 Aug 03 2005 at 3:06 PM Rating: Decent
if your thinking on making a monk get so ag and try to get a really good ac cause now is a lot of noob tanks and you will get beat down if you cant take some hits
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#5 Aug 03 2005 at 3:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Do you have a high level monk?

Edited, Wed Aug 3 16:13:43 2005 by Murrun
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#6 Aug 03 2005 at 8:59 PM Rating: Decent
From what I have seen I agree with the Rogue and Monk being the best choices for DD.Bards are still good at it but are far better in a utility roll for the group.Honestly I can not tell you much about rangers.I have never seen one above level 40.I have heard they are decent damage dealers but rogue and monk are still your best bets.

One thing to remember though about getting info from sits and when playing in the game.This is also by no means an insult to anyone either just something I know to be a fact.Everyone will tell you what they think is best about any EQ characters and most of the time most of the answers will all differ.Everyone that is running a high lev toon or has a buddy that is whether it is a tank,DD,healer or anything else really will tell you that those characters are the best.Be careful though when I first started playing I took some bad info to heart and built my toon a certain way and it ended up being bad advice that made me have to delete it.

I am not saying that all of the info you are given is going to bad but just ask around first before you commit.Some people think they know what they are telling you but actualy have no idea.Others will just be giving you there opinion out of love for there character but not really a bias opinion.Then there will be a few others who just tell you something that is totally false just to be jerks.

A good example is from something that happened to me the other night.I was stuck on a level 7 monk quest.My computer was down at the time so I could not check out the info on here.So I scanned group registry for any monks that would be listed.Then I politely messaged them with a tell chat.I asked them where to find the beastie I was hunting for the lev 7 quest.There were many different answers to my question as usual most of them were probably correct considering the beastie was a random area spawn.There was one person I spoke to who was around the 25th lev mark.They told me me that it was a very hard quest and the beastie was extremely diffucult to find.They told me I needed to get a level 60 monk to help me out with it.Ok I knew from the get go that was wacky.A 60th level needed for a lev 7 quest?I laughed out loud when the person told me that.They obviously either had no idea what they were talking about or more than likely were just trying to be deceptive or funny.

Anyway I have ranted enough but I give you one suggestion.When you are logged in on EQ find some level 55 - 60 people that are DD's.Ask them what there opinion is and the do's and dont's of that class.Being that high of a level there have completed there paths and achieved there desired class mastery.They can tell you how things are going for them.










#7 Aug 03 2005 at 9:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Having high level of all damage dealers but rogues cause they suck weak *** ******* they are.

Monks awsome damage good staying power selfish toons spells are self only


Bards..eh read any post here on bards and you will see there just awsome


Rangers are solid toons good buffs if no shammy around go proc path and do some good damage then take hunter for the bow spell you will be a raiding machine. Bow path is good if your not taking hunter equals out.


#8 Aug 03 2005 at 10:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Dark why do you always put down Rogues?

Did one you do you wrong?

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#9 Aug 03 2005 at 10:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Dark why do you always put down Rogues?

Did one you do you wrong?



Rogues are damage that is it they have no defense and they offer nothing to the group overall besides do slightly more damage then other melee.




find the posts that i put rogues down if you can probally cant thou
#10 Aug 03 2005 at 10:56 PM Rating: Decent
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I only found these

One

Two

Well ok I only found two.
Guess I just took it personally.
Just seems you hate Rogues.
I was just curious why?
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#11 Aug 03 2005 at 11:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Rogues do great damage cant take a hit for sh*t


Okay that is not rogue bashing that is fact and ask any rogue they will tell you that
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umm i dont care if you do the most damage in the game and have 5 attack spells you wont use them all. As for damage bards can dish out some massive damage if build right. Plus a bard will do more damage then a rogue in the long run because the bard will still be alive while the rogue is waiting for a rez. as for a monk takes forever to cast 1 great ability bards can get in 2 to 3 attacks in the time of 1 of the monks



Thats not bashing either just stating the longitivity of hp to damage ratio and taking hits


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Sorry but your only level 29 and honestly have no clue what your talking about. You will come to realize the potential a bard has when you get him past 50. As for outdamaging read what i wrote a bard will last longer in a fight then a rogue they have higher staying power. My minstrel had 6600 hp at 60 plus i self healed for like 120. Think of this hypothitical situation, Rogue(we will call him bob) and a bard (we will call him god) 2 mobs attack bob and God each one has a mob on them. Bob does 3k damage per normal quad, God does 2k normal damage per normal quad. Said mobs have 20k hp bob is dead and mob has 1/2 health left. God is still alive and kicking kicking mobs *** because God has way more hp a self heal and decent damage.

My point is this if you dish out massive damage but are not there to see the end result whats the point. I'd rather have slightly less damage but be around to finish the mob off and collect the rewards. I do not deny bards are not the highest damage dealers for short bursts but in the long run they will put out more hits because again they are still alive. Now if you account for the charm then rogue is nothing. 1 bard plus 1 wisp equals dead *** rogue



yet again not bashing the rogue still on the longetivity of the higher hp medium damage bard to the lower hp high damage of the rogue





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I 100% agree with what your saying but this is traditional grouping only. Rogues are overall a group damage dealer, where bards are more effective in all areas solo, group and raids.


no bashing there




bah i could cut and paste the whole damn thing but i wont..no bashing on my part........for once


Out flat per hit rogues do more damage. But in the long run a ranger monk and bard will all out live a rogue. Monks have high hp and heals, rangers have high hp good ac good damage and a heal if they buy the cm althou it screwy if you get hit.


But it is a fact rogues are the weakest class next to wizards and up there with enchanters but do have the highest damage potential if they can live
#12 Aug 03 2005 at 11:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Lets assume some NEVER puts any tp's into Stamina while playing thier Rogue. Yes the can't take a hit for chit. Yes they suck.

And your not factoring the Healer into the picture. If a Rogue does pull aggro, He will get a heal. If a Rogue can't take An Aoe and Quad from a TFG then he needs to Rehab and get some hp's.

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Rogues do great damage cant take a hit for sh*t
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Okay that is not rogue bashing that is fact and ask any rogue they will tell you that


Well I have a Rogue, And I outdamage Bards greatly, And I pull aggro and I live. So I guess I'm one of those rare people that think.
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#13 Aug 04 2005 at 8:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah but out of all the melee rogues will be the first to die. They have the lowest hp compared to other melee. As i said above rogues are group damage support only they have the hardest time soloing and farming compared to other melee classes. In a group setting and having a healer that pays attention yes you will live but a bard can group solo and farm 100x better then a rogue can.
#14 Aug 04 2005 at 8:18 AM Rating: Default
it really depends what race of rge you make cause barb rges with bez mc are fking tough cause they do get a heal
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#15 Aug 04 2005 at 12:16 PM Rating: Good
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LOL have you looked into what happens to a berzerker?

Yeah a heal that works once an hour, and lowers your defense is a lot of help. Add -2 def mods and 400 ac penalty you are not looking for a survivng MC. Berzerker rogues are more dependent on groups then themselves.
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#16 Aug 04 2005 at 12:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Dirges you know Ren doesn't know ****.
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#17 Aug 04 2005 at 1:49 PM Rating: Default
i seen bez rges in duels crush some good 60 tanks
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#18 Aug 04 2005 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
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So? That doesn't change anything about the MC.
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#19 Aug 04 2005 at 2:01 PM Rating: Default
anyway its how you make your rge if you go by eqoa you wont be sh yt but if you do it your way you can have 1 bad *** rge
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#20 Aug 07 2005 at 10:45 AM Rating: Decent
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OK I would liek to say a few things. I myself having a 40 bard and a 55 monk know the damage comparison...there is none...I mean Im sure a combat bard with alot of str/dex can hit hard but his attacks are just capped and can not get as high as the monks combos which are modded by stamina and its not liek monks lose out on time while doing a combo you still get the quad damage while doing a combo. PLus they get force and spinning kick which do great damage with a low recast and all the feiry/freezing,frost strikes do more damage than any one of the bards attacks.Bard should be kept as batteries they make up for there low damage in giving power to the group to do long continuos damage.But for the most non stop damage a monk IMO is the best. But Rogues also have high end damage with the pick pocket as someone already said and dont feel like starting the monk/rogue battle.its all what you want to do I chose monk because of the sick combos to keep me entertained on long grinds.....even though im a bear now and cant see em but they are still fun.....Only bad thing about monk is crappy dropped gear and they start in a gay tower away from qeynos n sucks to run back n forth from the coach to the tower for quests and spells
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#21 Aug 07 2005 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent
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PLus they get force and spinning kick which do great damage with a low recast and all the feiry/freezing,frost strikes do more damage than any one of the bards attacks.


whats the highest damage the best monk attack ability can do?

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Bard should be kept as batteries they make up for there low damage in giving power to the group to do long continuos damage.




I could tank and hold aggro with a 60 minstrel having a 60 exoricst next to me and using there undead nukes and i still held aggro. Bards damage is not as low as people believe and at 60 you have enough high damage abilities to keep up with a rogue and a monk.
#22 Aug 07 2005 at 3:42 PM Rating: Decent
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acctually i know of a dam good rge berz on PPO who tanks an awful lota tough mobs...he has alota hp and some good defence on top of 7 off mods...but other then that, im still a monk and i think im better then rges...lol in a duel if u give me a rge with the same amount of points spent, ill kill him easy...idk if its because i have more hp, or because i do more dmg, but because i have 525 sta and 540 dex to a reg mob, i can do 8k dmg in seconds, im usually the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th one to die in raids cuz i keep peelin the tank
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#23 Aug 07 2005 at 3:45 PM Rating: Decent
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my lvl 60 combo does about 1750, and its a sta mod so after gb gona be more
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#24 Aug 07 2005 at 3:56 PM Rating: Decent
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my minstrel did 1800ish aoe with a charisma mod



I've seen monks tank sili just gotta make sure healer is paying attention. Monks can peel and hold aggro if they choose so can bards rogues and rangers. But i think rogues have the easiest time of stealing aggro then monks then rangers then bards but having a bard it's easy to hold aggro with the right combo of spells
#25 Aug 07 2005 at 6:04 PM Rating: Good
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Just to point out, all melees have their combos moded by a stat. Bards combos are mod by str just as much as monks are modded by sta.


Combat bards do not do more damage then power bards. The buff does str/sta/agi/dex, but with how easy it is for bards to max str/dex with anthums the combat buff does more for the defense of sta/agi.

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im usually the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th one to die in raids cuz i keep peelin the tank
What good are you on a raid then. If you played better you could prevent your death and do more DPS. Dying just because you stole the MT aggro on a raid is stupid. If you use your attacks in a balanced way you do more damage and give more benefit to the raid.
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#26 Aug 07 2005 at 6:23 PM Rating: Decent
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im usually the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th one to die in raids cuz i keep peelin the tank


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What good are you on a raid then. If you played better you could prevent your death and do more DPS. Dying just because you stole the MT aggro on a raid is stupid. If you use your attacks in a balanced way you do more damage and give more benefit to the raid.


dirges for teh win.

Peeling is nothing to brag about, most DDs learn basic aggro management by 60.
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