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#1 Apr 29 2005 at 9:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Edited, Fri Apr 29 10:41:02 2005 by Darkflame

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#2 Apr 29 2005 at 10:25 AM Rating: Decent
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well i think i will be the first to go ahead and post about how GOOD a reaction there is.... beleive it or not, there is.... i play on Corbantis and i am in THe Lost SOuls Guild and just about every guildmate loves the new CU the most of them are long time players dating back from beta... I actually have found some enjoyment in the game as well... it is great that i dont have to get buffed... the armor certs are a good idea... the new SP is going to be fine... THe new HAM bars will tkae some getting used to... the new combat with wind up and cool downs really isnt too bad... and if you are strategic enough u can map out a whole combo line of attacks with no wait, the new combat animations are pretty kool, so I am ok with the CU in those changes... it will take some getting used too and like ive been preaching from day one.... dont judge it till u play it... Well here is my judgement: It should not have been released early if there are STILL major bugs... i encountered numerous bugs in only 2 hours of playtime last night... 1. I couldnt see anything's details in the vendor window 2. none of my waypoints stayed(ive been told this is a sepereate issue, but im just sayin) and i have been told numerous others that need to be fixed...Pets lvls,lags,being booted to log in.. and there still a few major points of the CU i HATE and hope get nerfed: Anti Decay Kits do not work on lightsabers anymore.... this is totally ludacris, pearls and crystals are too valuable to be waisted on just grinding... so now you need to carry 2 or 3 ls's to grind with so u dont waiste your uber one u use for the rankings.... andother is you almost HAVE to be grouped to do anything... i got owned by 2 quenkers...and i mean... i got ike 3 hits on the one and i was death blown.... this is a remarkably bad move by the devs... i understand they are trying to promote more team type strategic gameplay, where you would need to find certain profs to be grouped with and yada yada yada but they could have came at it better...look at diablo 2... the more people involved in the certain room... the stronger the mobs are... the devs should have came at it like that... the mobs lvl increases based on the avg lvl of the group or how lare the group is or somethin..... people will get frusterated and upset that they have to find a group EVERY time they want to just go out and grind.... this is basically taking the place of buffs... the group is a must now and you cannot really do anything without other players to help.... i understand the move and the devs think it will make for a more interactive gaming experiance but you cant take away the option of going at the squill cave alone... to make some good exp or going out treasure hunting and having to split all your findings... this upsets me so much becuz i really dont like to be grouped as much as i do being alone... maybe me and one friend... (who has quit signing on.... Ussyr)... anbd that is why i think i will not play much longer... unless i learn somethin that will help me... i mean... QUENKERS?!?... and im no weakling er nuthin i was lvl 63 and had full comp on.... if i had to change somethin... it would be to make the game back to an option of the single player or grouped gaming... why should we be forced to play with someone and have to split everything... (i.e. gold loots exp) it will take 2 or 3 times as long to master a profession..becuz it will take 2 or 3 people to grind... It will take forever to get a decent weapon... having to split all the rewards.... i am just upset and saddened that the game is a TOTALLY NEW GAME.. nothing is the same... gameplay wise.... even walking is different... your armor slows you down (good idea but you get my point) they might as well as released a whole new game....

well this is my 2 credits... just wanted to share my opinion.... i may not be around on the game for a while longer... maybe a month or so more... ill probably go back to morrowind...

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#3 Apr 29 2005 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
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CU rocks, plain and simple. Some bad bugs but there are perma buffs, weapons rock, armor rocks, very balanced, and lots of strategy. Kthxbye.
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#4 Apr 29 2005 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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How can you claim that something Rock when they actually got rid of the one thing that made them original......You didn't have to group to do something!!! and since I'm level 55 combat for some reason and I can't find anything that gives me more then 1xp thank god next week is double exp so I can get 2 xp!!! bring on the good time.............I have about 14 days left thanks god I never paid for the game yet.
#5 Apr 29 2005 at 11:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Edited, Fri Apr 29 13:06:57 2005 by crouchingwolf
#6 Apr 29 2005 at 1:53 PM Rating: Decent
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yeah, they couldnt just leave well enough alone. you should not be forced to be grouped to play the game if you dont want too. they totally took the choice out of it.most of the time the people in my guild arent on anyway. So if i want to play i have to find new yahoos? thats dumb. Im not searching for a group just so i can get some xp.yay i get 1 combat point per animal i kill. Think it took along time before to grind lol. They took away all the special moves. everyone i've talked too hates it, and is gonna cancel their account. Im gonna give them till the end of my subscription to change it back, if not, soo long swg
i wonder how long it will take them to realize their error and change it back.
OH I know when they lose thousands of accounts and revenue.
#7 Apr 29 2005 at 2:11 PM Rating: Decent
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I haven't played since the upgrade but I will try tonight and then post my thoughts here. I must say that I don't like what I have seen posted here so far, it sounds like sony has made a huge mistake. Oh well there is always WOW.
#8 Apr 29 2005 at 2:47 PM Rating: Decent
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It IS wow, just with space suits.
#9 Apr 29 2005 at 3:06 PM Rating: Decent
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plain and simple point is that SWG is trying to make the game more like WoW becuz they lost alot of players to that game.... not realizing ALOT CAME BACK!!!! Why you say?? for the HAm bars and THE OPTION to go at it alone or with a group...now it is WoW with lightsabres and spacesuits <good point Radio
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#10 Apr 29 2005 at 3:30 PM Rating: Decent
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The game is boring now, please i encourage everyone to cancel there accounts let the game die, then a new star wars MMORPG can be made by a different company with a half sane dev team.
#11 Apr 29 2005 at 5:14 PM Rating: Decent
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WHY?? why would anyone completely change a game that as far as i could tell, everyone enjoyed? it doesnt make any sense. was SOE gettting hate mail? were their cars getting nasty letters? after 3 days of "giving it a chance" im FURIOUS! i can't stand GALAXIES now! all the things i loved about it are gone! i can't solo anymore... you want to know why? because as a MASTER FENCER that is BUFFED to the maxed and full of brandy and canpes, apparently im not bad enough to kill an EWOK! not a gang of ewoks, AN EWOK! i got incapped by a freakin ewok. now, i saw return of the jedi, and admittedly a whole gang of ewoks might present somewhat of a problem to a midlevel fighter , but it is impossible to go from taking on a whole cave full of the little vermin, to getting whacked by a single one. i'm soory, that just sint right no matter how you try to justify it. it wasn't a one time thing either, i was accosted by all sorts of vicious creatures, rabbits, butterflies and the vicious frog like things. i gave those guys money for over a year, and the thanks i get is a big "HERES A BRAND NEW GAME! we don't care if you wan't a new game, HERE IT IS!" i was close to getting padawan, but i don't see how i can ever do it now. i work wierd hours, so it is impossible to group, even if i wanted to(which i don't)!
it seems as though im in the majority, so, if this is the case, at least i can be assured that SOMEONE on the DEV TEAm will be getting a pink slip over this!

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#12 Apr 29 2005 at 5:24 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't think it is WOW with spacesuits, I was playing WOW and it got pretty boring but I could solo as a warlock level 34. I agree that players shouldn't have to group and my brother has soloed up to 50th with a paladin and a hunter so that isn't a problem in WOW in my opinion. It does have quite a few other problems though. I came back to galaxies because I really liked the non level based experience point system, in my opinion the best xp of any of the games out there. I agree that a player should have a choice about grouping, I am a master medic and don't need much help under the old system aside from an entertainer every now and then.

As I said earlier I have to try it out tonight but I am even more worried after reading the last few posts, oh well it is a free call to cancel SWG, LOL.
#13 Apr 29 2005 at 8:54 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok...my template

Master ID 0 a waste now, since stat migrations are no longer...but I'm keeping it just in case...

Novice BH (respecced to be 0313
marksman 0004 (after respec)
scout 4000

and I think that's about it...I may be forgetting something, but anywho...

I have a combat level of a mere 30 after the respec.

I try to do something that all bounty hunters do...I try to BE a friggin bounty hunter. I take a mission that's the lowest paying, with a level of 23...

I figure, hey, that's 7 levels below me...

Well, this NPC ended up conning as a 33, and a tough fight...

Needless to say, I get incapped 3 times, DEAD...clone in Bestine, and go back...still can't even make a dent...this person regened so fast that they gained health faster than I could damage them

It was completely pathetic...and if I even need help as a BH to do as a BH does, then this is most definitely the dumbest thing that has ever happened in the Star Wars Universe....yes, even more dumb than the creation of Jar Jar Binks.

I'm trying to cancel my pre-order of ROTW, just in case things don't get better. I'm giving SOE the benefit of the doubt and trying this combat "upgrade" out...but I'll be damned if I'm going to spend any more money on an expansion that it doesn't seem I'll want to use. If the CU changes, or something, then I'll buy my copy in the store, and get the speeder instead of the lizard...but I highly doubt that this is going to happen...

Thank you SOE for taking something original, that attracted people from the cookie cutter MMORPGS, and making it into yet another cookie cutter. I left FFXI, and God help me, after seeing the CU, I'm considering going back...
#14 Apr 29 2005 at 9:22 PM Rating: Decent
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There are some things they didn't touch. Surveying is the same boring, irritating and utterly tedious ordeal it has always been. I guess they couldn't find a way to make it less fun.

I am an erratic player. I have no set gaming hours and my play-schedule is utterly random, often falling into hours when not a lot of people are around. Which makes it inconvenient and difficult to engage in group play. Before CU, I could team my friends when they were on and looking for action. That made me happy. With CU, I can no longer do this. It is pointless, as if I group one of my uber friends, I get 1 xp per mob. The level system is a dividing factor that promotes the same, tired level elitism and segregation that I've hated in other games.

I can't even begin to tell you how much I hate the revamped combat emotes. They're pathetic. Surveying is more interesting, and as I've mentioned, surveying is like watching paint dry.

I feel, and this is a mild statement, that the CU further unbalances and segregates gameplay. The system needed to be balanced, not broken and dumbed down.

They have removed every unique thing about SWG with the CU, and have intriduced poorly tested, extrememly buggy code onto the live servers and then sung the praises of a homogenized and inferior product, backhanding every paying customer who has come forward with questions, concerns, suggestions and complaints. With the CU comes new customer service lows, passing SoE's already low watermarks for Most Heinious Customer Service Of All Time.

Honestly folks, I can't see a single positive change yet, and I'm giving this CU a very fair shot. But I really have to say that at this time, things do NOT look good. I'm paying 15 bucks this month to beta test something that I really am not enjoying. If things do not improve signifigantly by the time my sub runs out this month, SoE will have lost yet another account that they can lie about.
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#15 Apr 29 2005 at 11:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Well now I know why medic/doctor's are quitting my combat level is too low for me to use my stimpack c. Stimpack A is usable but not worth doing. The cooldown for stimpaks is reasonable but it doesn't tell you how long it is and it is impossible for me to tell when it is ready. At least I didn't get killed of course I didn't get any xp.

Can anyone explain how to get combat level? Is it a funtion of your combat related profession? If this has become just another combat game I will go back to WOW which is at least a properly designed combat game.

Sony has proven that it doesn't think things through basing medical use on combat level.
#16 Apr 30 2005 at 6:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Sony didn't think a LOT of things through on the foundation level of game mechanics.

#Basic combat professions cannot wear armor.
#You don't get the first improvement over the CDEF weapon till you get combat level 6.
#Weapons that people in what are considered basic combat professions were using last week are suddenly useable ONLY by certain elite profession masters.
#Stim pack A has taken a serious dive in healing amount and got itself a severe cooldown period. I'm talking PAINFUL.
#Everyone in a team is considered by the system to be the level of the highest level person on the team ONLY in regards to xp awarding upon the mob's death, and it seems very much as though the higher level it thinks you are, the less xp-per-difficulty you recieve, DESPITE their annoying little system spams "did you know that a mob 1 level above you gives 10% more xp?"
#Attack timers on that vertigo-inducing barf-bar are difficult to read and distract you from looking at ANYTHING else.
#Everything has near-siezure-inducing sparkly effects now. The level-up and vehicle entry ones trigger halo migraines in those of us who have a tendency to migraines.
#Combat has been slowed down to twice its normal time (and all of the truely interesting and unique emoted attack actions are gone to rub salt into that time you're wasting).
#There is no documentation or tutorial available to explain what any of the changes actually mean, how one is expected to progress and no reasonable way besides trial and error to figure out how to actually play the new game.

This isn't SWG anymore. It's EQ minus dwarves. Having spent the day today messing with combat, I can honestly say that the CU is worse than people say. I figured that maybe they were helping the mob-whappers at the price of the crafters and entertainers, but they were really just beating us ALL with the unholy nerf stick.
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#17 Apr 30 2005 at 7:30 PM Rating: Decent
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HI i am on the Lowca server and i Would have to agree with the ocmplaints and some of the good cookies. I like all th enew effects however. One toon is a marksman in a rifle line and i can't use a laser rifle like i use to boring now i have to use a cdef rifle until probably level 40 i am a 5 hmm something wrong. My second toon working jedi int. I am Mtk and i agree you can't solo anymore i am use to it. I can't get any expereince anymore. DEV's PLEAE READ THIS. the main problem i see with this is alot of my guild has already left not to come back. not only that but i hate the little flagging system. still no response on this one. I killed a krayt solo it was a juvenile. and i couldn't loot it because earlier someone else started fighting it died and left it be. I came along killed it and got nothing. I believe this is a big uber problem. Considering the dev's had said that when someone attcks a creature they flag it if they run away becauce they are over matched they don't come back to finish it however i come along to fight i kill it but however becauce guy before me conned it he gets the xp i get jack nothing. I see a major issue with that. I am sorry but i was a big supporter of the game i have been with the game a year and a half and i could be the next person canceling my subscription if something doesn't change i want to be able to solo. I don't like groups unless it's a guild event. why change something that was great and turn it to S%%^&. come on guys your losing money and will continue to lose a whole bunch of money until it 1 either goes back to the way it was in combat or it improves. and believe me 1 screams eventually everyone screams and then you find yourself without jobs. not my problem but listen to the people that are complaining or giving suggestions they have alot of great input. And if the DEVs are reading which i doubt then maybe maybe someone will get the hint and realize what a big mistake the CU was.
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#19 May 01 2005 at 12:13 PM Rating: Decent
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The only people that this CU upgrade does not affect is the hardcore player that is already at the level that the rest of us are looking to get too. After the Combat Upgrade it is now nearly impossible to do the village missions solo, or grind the lowly Padawan. No need to go into the flaming post of all that is wrong, only one thing to do. CANCEL....CANCEL.....CANCEL. Thats 70 bucks a month from one player. I hope the CU idea man is soon unemployed, but that is going to be too little too late. I personally would love to see a total of all the peeps that have canceled their accounts, That would be impressive. SOE should hopefully learn from this bad choice of a bad idea.
#20 May 02 2005 at 3:46 PM Rating: Good
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I gave it a shot this weekend. My Master Doctor / Master TK is useless. Combat level is 68 and she gets owned by anything that would give her exp. The other thing that really pisses me off is that, she had about 25,000,000 credits worth of high quality buff packs that are all now crap. Totally worthless.

The only character I was able to play was my Master Bounty Hunter, combat level 57. The 50 crates of Ranged Power-ups I had made for me (Muzzles of Focus) were all converted to some BS barrels in which, so far, 50% are "faulty" and cannot be used. I spend a couple hours running from planet to planet looking for mob's my level. No luck on finding any mob at 57. Finally I found some Lizards on Danti that were lvl 50 and 55. But of course there was about 20 of them all grouped together. Can't pull just one, I tried, several times. If I was lucky I would only get 2 at once. With constant heal injections, topped with stimpacks, 60% of the time I was able to survive, just barely. Even worse, sitting all around the lizards were mobs between 61 and 82, so I could not even position myself in a place were I was not in danger of being incapped or slain by one of these. Even worse still, was the lvl 80 player that showed up and engauged all the lizards at once, wiping them all out. The guy knew damn well I was trying to level on them, one at a time. Seems like I am going to have to deal with pricks again, if I decide to stay.

I like to play solo. I have a family, a job, a house and plenty of responsibilities. When I have free time, I like to play, and most of the time it only makes sense to play solo unless my son is on the game at the same time. This is why I left FFXI and started this game to begin with. In FFXI if you don't party with at least 4, you don't progress.

On the other hand, I quess I could start grouping, only to split from the group after my hour or 2 of "fun" time is over. As many know, short time partiers really *****-up other peoples play. I don't like doing that, but perhaps that is my only option.

My fourteen year old son also gave the CU a test run this weekend as well. He has 2 accounts. MTK/Dancer and was working on Master Artian/Tailor. His game play was COMPLETELY destroyed after the CU. After I finally got him calmed down, he told me to kill both his accounts. He no longer wants anything to do with SWG, or SOE. I don't have my son all the time, and this game was one of the things that we could do together, and kept us in communication when he was not at my house. If really sucks that we have lost this connection to each other. Maybe we can find it again in other game.

I am sure a lot of parents are having to consul their kids after this “upgrade”. Why do I get the feeling the drug deals are going to see an increase in business. Thanks SOE.

Anyway, I still have 3 accounts. If things don't change, I will be killing those as well. I am not saying everything needs to go back the way it was. I don't mind having to fight mob's near my level to exp. My issue is that there are barely any around, and you need to allow players to pull one at a time if the player is solo.
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