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Ahhh where to start.
Fist let me say that I feel the CU was and is a much needed re-vamp. I like the HAM changes and the armor/weapon changes. Buffs and Food changes had me worried till I thought it out. Let me explain:
Currently HAM for players is between 600 and 800.
Currently Buffs are around 2500 (rounded for easy adding).
This gives a total buffed HAM of 3100 - 3300.
Proposed Health will be a scale based on how far into combat profession you are. So lets use a master elite combat profession.
Proposed Health 3000 (at master elite combat).
Proposed Buff 20% of current Health = 600.
This will give a total health of 3600.
Hey I get MORE health points from the proposed changes...and people are complaining?

On to the issue of buffs and food. People will still need buffs to stay competitive, so its only 600 points but tis better than nothing. If 20% is as hard to achieve as 2500 currently is, won't people still pay for that buff? After all every little point counts and currently on the two servers I play on, a 2350 buff costs about 3k less than a 2500, thats 3k credits for 150 points. Won't you docs still make money? Yes a lot of people will complain when they think bout how big of buff they used to get...but the end result will actually be better. If the buffs are still in demand, then the food will to, for the same reasons. I might have missed it but i didn't see anywhere that they were taking status effects like blind, dizzy and intimidate from the game. So the food and clothing for these effects will still be as valuable.

Armor and weapons are broken in the game currrently...Everyone wears stun composite for pvp and the weapon you use doesnt matter, DOTs are all that matter. My cool weapons are worthless as are the professions that use them because my DOTs don't compare. I dont know if the proposed system will be better so I wont say anymore other than Armor/Weapons need to be fixed.

Now it's time for me to throw a tantrum...WTF ARE YOU THINKING? MAKING US SPEND MORE SKILL POINTS? My biggest complaint since day 1 has been limiting us to only 1 character per server per account. I like to experience the game fully and thus I have multiple characters so I can do everything and experience all there is. But every time I make a character I need 5-10 more skill points. Now I have to spend even more skill points on stupid things? Granted reducing the cost of being a BH is nice, but makes no sense. Same for commando. But WHY make some professions take more skill points? The combat part of the "combat upgrade" should balance the profesions in respect to combat, making any further limitations to any profession useless.

And one final point. Why is havine only 1 HP category bad? Everyone only uses one of the three now anyway. in PvP 99% of my losses have been due to me losing my mind...literally. PVE tends to be more Health damage. So we eliminate the other two catergories, have all weapons damage the health bar. HOWEVER each weapon needs to retain some unique features/abilities. Whether that be amount of damage caused, status effect applied or weapon speed. There needs to be strength and weakness to each weapon or everyone will be using the same weapon.

Edited, Sun Mar 27 14:35:10 2005 by TheGreatLordofFire

I never said SOLO. I said experience it all and do it all. I enjoy getting a group together, finding docs to buff (usually) finding a weaponsmith or armorsmith or chef or smuggler to purchase the things I need. But I want to be able to try out everything. Even make complimentary characters on the same server without having multiple accounts (yes I have a couple). Its just my complaint I've had since day 1, but I'm still playing and will continue to play.

I just want to point something out.

The point of an MMORPG is not to be able to solo the entire thing, but to have to work with the other players to do the most advanced stuff. Why not just make SWG a single-player RPG if you want to solo it?


Truth is it is not about being solo all the time, it is the ability to be solo when you wish and still enjoy the game is what is key. Do I expect to corvette solo, hell no and when I did run it I did it with a couple of trusted mates. The point I make is that the solo element in this game is do-able, and to tamper with that is questionable when a fair amount of the persistent gamer is in for long hauls, don't grind and play. SWG gave the potential to do both and that is what makes it stand apart.

Ok, first of all, I agree with SubAq. above me, and I respect everyone else's opinions and hope they respect mine.

Go watch the family guy episode in which Peter loses his job and can't tell Lois how he feels, so he tells her she is fat. After telling Brian this, Brian replies to Peter exactly as I will to the CU:
"No..... No!"(and hits Peter over the head with a newspaper).

I'm not extremely outraged, but I am disappointed to see such a great game *possibly* go through some bad changes. Now, the HAM bars is what made this game unique (to me of course, never played EQ2 or some of that other stuff). WoW lacks A and M bars, which brought me back to SWG, in fact that is probably the biggest factor, along with the great weapon system and so many melee tank combinations. Now, I'm not complaining about the amount of Health we will have if that happens, I saw someone's calculations on this thread and that looks great. But one pool to hit? That just takes so much of the strategy away from this game. Yes, so many people are against the A and M pools, mostly because of mind DOTS, I personally never had a problem with action. As an ex -rifleman, -swordsman, -TKM, -pikeman, I know what it's like to feel invincible to get a 400 mind bleed and be dead in 10 seconds, or even that one time I faced a player with an ultimate t21 and was incapped in one shot. But don't take away the pools, simply fix the bleeds/fires/whatever.

As for the armor types, I guess I will have to really try those out to get a feel for them and get good reasons to complain, but they really are another reason I love this game. So what if most players use ubese or composite, nerf those if you must; I once special-ordered 2 sets of padded armor for PvE that had great kinetic/energy defenses, and I cant remember the exact stats but they worked just as fine as comp or ubese. I guess my point is that only being able to make 3 kinds of armor(as far as I know, remember I don't know everything)? That would really ruin the fun of being an armorsmith.. I mean seeing every tank in one kind of armor? Yes, I understand that almost every tank wears composite, but thats a choice. In CU if that armor thing happens, it will pretty much be mandatory.

And then there is the skill point issue. I must absolutely agree that I do not see the need for TKA's to get the 2hswords tree of brawler, but I may be missing some ancient japanese technique(semi-sarcastic). I'll admit I havent looked at every profession, as you may have noticed I'm a bit of a melee-guy myself so that was the biggest upset to me, having to choose whether to drop the TKA meditate line or a bit of fencer. Yes, it is only a game and I can always experiment, but I would rather get it right the first try; call me SWG-Obsessive compuslive.

I think that's all I have to say negatively(or positively in my case, whatever...) towards those issues. As for the new planet, I am looking forward to it, and I -hope- to see 30+ new creatures on all the worlds combined, because SWG(replaced lord) knows we all need more stuff to kill. Also, I saw that there are some new weapons(20+?). That is extremely excellent. The biggest thing that bugged me in WoW was the fact that every warrior uses weapon A or weapon B. Why not make it A or B or C or D or E or F... you get the point. Same thing with SWG; why not have riflemen use the t21 or the t22 or t23, because they can all do -basically- the same thing, but the small stuff really does make a difference.(Think of Stewie when he says 'Ok, I'll have ice cream, but NO SPRINKLES, God help you if I find sprinkles. For every sprinkle I find, I shall kill you!' ...The sprinkles are the small things, and we don't want anyone to die).

And I am also thrilled to see that SOE is fixing alot of the small problems (Ex> 'Inventory window will no longer flash when deleting an item from inventory' or something like that). That is what I like to see, because that was extremely annoying to me (SWG-OCD, remember).

So, one final, shout, please do NOT get rid of A and M bars, just reduce the damage that can be done to them. SOE, you've made a fine game thus far, learn from WoW's mistakes and leave the HAM Bars how they are(for anyone who dosen't know, the Warrior class was almost-perfect and then it was ruined, big debates yadda yadda look at nurfed.com, at Indalamar's post on the front page, I wish I was as devoted as him... I think). And oh yes, although the customer may not always be right, you should still listen to us. Sorry about the long post, but my family is asleep and I'm tired of soccer on the x-box... what else is there to do at 1:30 AM?

Peace,
-Renton

Edit: I am also against cool downs, that is another thing that has SWG above WoW, as fair as it is. Do NOT introduce cool-downs, you're asking for a beating(verbally, I guess).
Edit2: Question: What defenses do or do not stack? I still can't seem to find the answer to this... Do all melee and ranged defenses stack, or is it dependant upon what weapon you have out? Thanks.

Edited, Mon Mar 28 01:57:16 2005 by rentoni

Edited, Mon Mar 28 01:59:11 2005 by rentoni

Not yet, but we're pushing as hard as we can to get a bunch of information through the review process and out to you. About the articles specifically, these are the articles that we have discussed with the CU testers and we are making some changes and additions based on their feedback.





I've read nearly all of the posts (along with Tiggs and others).

We understand that the first article was just an introduction that has inspired lots of questions. We've been tracking the questions and bringing all the issues up with the developers. The cornerstone is that SWG is very much keeping its unique feel to combat, but it is different enough to make looking at the new system through the eyes of the old system an "apples and oranges" comparison.





Teasing is ok, I have a thick hide

We're doing our best to get the information out to you as quickly as possible. Our goal is next week and thats the best information I have right now.

Our plans for the Friday Feature are to post it sometime this afternoon...





Exactly Rakos_Rokarr!

As much as we all want development to happen as quickly as possible, "forum time" passes much quicker than "development time".



[quote]IndySWG wrote:

Couple more questions:

Suppose a Doctor respecs away from the Doctor profession ... what happens to his player city hospital?[quote]

The existing hospital will remain as long as it is maintained.

The only change will be that if a group wants to place a new Hostpital, they will still need a Master Doctor to place the new hospital (The person who changed their skill sets will no longer be able to place the Hospital because a Master Doc is still certed to place the structure).



Kurt "Thunderheart" Stangl
Community Relations Manager

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I have a quick question if someone in the know looks at this, I was talking to someone online yesterday, we were talking about tk artist as we both are one, hes nearing master and said that his other proffessions were medic, doctor, and scout i think, dont know what levels he is, but if we are going to be able to realocate combat skill points only he will loose tkm just after he gets it no? Anyone know if this is correct or if we able to reallocate all skill points?

hi all

Well it seems to me everyone is of the same opinion

but does it matter? does it hell, the devs have made their mind up, they have put the time in. does anyone think they gonna change their minds cause its not what the customer wants???? yeah rite of course they are. and of course the final nail in the coffin of a once great game. The Rage of the Wookies expantion advertised with its all new combat system. Signed Sealed and Delivered People. live with it. as for it not been set in stone, as we would say at work "yes we have take on your concerns and car parked that idea for later" (roughly translated to no we not listening yes this is how its gonna be now go away your opinon means nothing to us!)

There is some many things they could of done to "level" the combat Profs instead they just gonna make it so we do it for them by all using the same weapons and have the same profs cause you all know thats whats gonna happen and much easier ways of stoping the stackers

how about all master combat profs have the same defencive skills/mods yeah fair enough some ppl would cap their ranged and melee defence but that wouldn't be 2 bad really would it? you only attack in type at a time dont ya. How about giving all proff's slightly diffrent attacks hitting the diffrent pools but doing similar levels of damage then it would come down to individual style and settings and still keep the worth on CA and AA to offer a little cutomisation of your style and the odd supprise

ok i do agree with the loss of dots, at the end of the day they are the be all and end all in pvp and not very fair in the whole leveling up profs are they.

Skill Points............well i think everyone has summed my thoughts up on that, maybe not quite enough expletives but the sentiment is there.

NO SAT MIGRATES.......................does that mean my alt id is now just a glorifed hair dresser????

I like BH suggetions though i do think it should be on a par to the jedi quests, eventually using up all their skill points that would make it fair and level between the if done right of course. It would be nice would be a nice choice do ya go jedi or do you go BH?????

and as for the health well i dont like. i really dont like i like the ham system the way it is. i see what they have tried to do, and it was an honurable attempt but unfair on the noobs or the non combat toons how many entertainers have piggy backed through places like the warren with the stronger toons cause buffed up u could take the beating long enough for fighters to save you?? not gonna happen when you only have 1400 health is it

What do soe consider as relelvent replacements for all the brandy canape, buffs CA's AA's and other soon to be worthless stuff i carry? not to mention my medic stuff such as poison buffs/cures and of of course my wound packs that are all but worthless now you can all heal yourselves lol

and as for leveling pvpers yeah right ok what ever has anyone actually realised what the Wind-up, Execution, and Cool-down times actually mean for pvper's? It means them with the fastest computer wins, no questions not tactics, no real skill to speak of, plain and simle faster hardware. think about it if you have the same health stats the same attack the same armour, its all who gets the attack in first and you all know how laggy this game can be in places.

I have to ask my self if soe have considered the effect this "upgrade" is gonna have an all the other non combat profs, the crafters the docs, the ID's etc then i think back to everything else they have done and realise of course not.

well theres my ideas to be car parked hope some of it makes sence and not to much of a moan

oh and as a final thought. from what i understand they making the combat pretty much WOW, well if they wanna play WOW sholdn't they go play WOW?

i would just like to add my 2 cents...ive not been playing a really long time like others have...but ive played enough to know that i love the uniqueness of SWG the way it is now..ive played WoW..EQ2...and hated them...and from what i see on test its heading the same direction...in my humble opinion i feel that after the CU SOE is going to loose a large portion of there player base...for those like myself whom do not wish to play SWG skinned out WoW and what not...the game as is now is stand alone where as with the CU it will be just like any other...i just think a poll should be taken for those whom have tried the CU...those whom having been playing for a while and see where that leads as far as launching this total revamp...

sorry for my rambling

I am not in favor of the new CU changes that are being forced on us by SOE!!! If I wanted to play WOW or EQ then I would be playing them now and not giving my money to SOE for Galaxy. Please do not convert Galaxy into a WOW or EQ based environment. You have a good (potentially great) game running as is, but there are a few tweaks that could be made. However, not these drastic ones your are describing for the CU.

Warm-up and cool downs... ***** that, leave the speed system in place and let me bash the things I want to bash. If I want to take on 10 creatures, let me try the ten creatures, but please correct me if I am wrong here. Under the proposed CU, I will not be able to because while I am warming-up to hit one of them and I get hit by one of those 10 creatures... I'll have to start my attack over again? This makes no sense to me... DUH (I smell a BRAINFART)! Should I kill one of those 10 creatures I'll experience a cool-down (Cigarett break) for a job well done... DOH (BIGGER BUTT BLAST)! Yes, as a paying member I am really looking forward to those changes... NOT!

The HAM system, leave my 3 bars alone!!! I like the control I have to adjust them the way I like... just remove the race barriers so that I can have even more control on how I allocate my HAM stats. However, I understand the Race HAM limitations... sort-of like choose your race choose your fate! :) Give us the control of those 3000 (NEW Health bar points) to build our characters OUR way using OUR HAM system. Don't force this single ONE ALMIGHTY HEALTH BAR on us. Yes, I have been burned several time becuase I overlooked one of the three... that's what makes it exciting to manage though. After all, these are supposedly OUR characters!!! Lastly, don't ruin the Master ID's career and say it was all for the needs of teh proposed CU... "BULL-S"!

Give us a stim pack that heals Mind damage crafted by Entertainers like you have for Health and Action. OMG did I have an entertainer crafting, imagine that! This would help us players/races that have low mind pool and prevent them from getting hammered in PvP play (which is non existant today [except for Jedi vs. Jedi]). As for the stim pack use, I love the fact that all players will have access to lower level stim's without the need for medic skills! Finally, one good idea from the CU.

As for the buffs, don't mess with our current system. Being a Master Doc and only being able to increase a buff 20%... ridiculous!!! I don't spend millions and hours of time trying to make the best buff for nothing, but if the best I'll ever be able to do is 20% to 3000 health points... to me that would not be worth my time nor credits. However, does this mean that after the proposed CU that SOE is going to stipend my Master Doc the credits that I will lose under the new proposed CU? After all, I stand to lose in excess of 10 million credits a month because you(SOE) feel buffs are overrated! This will definately be a turn-off for me playing SWG after the CU. (PS - I would like my credits at the beginning of the month please)

Weapon damage, don't force us to two weapon damage types with add-on "Bull-S"! I like having a choice of various weapon damage types that's what makes this game unique! After all, if you are using a FAWG5 to take a creature down that has a high heat resist... who's the dumber of the two? All I am asking for is for you(SOE) to make weapons available for all combat professions that do one of the 8 damage types in the game today. Pretty hard to take down a Mokk Soothsayer with knucklers when he's got 100% resist to kinetic... eh? FIX THAT, do not reduce the weapon damge type, increase it and fix what you already have in the game! Let weaponsmiths chosse whether that knuckler, pistol, sword, or gernade will do cold, heat, stun, blast, energy,... damage. I think this would make the game more interesting for the players and the weaponsmiths. After all, why not have a D-18 that does cold damge and one that does stun? Now that's a change... that I bet would be more widely acceted by the masses!

Armor type, ADD MORE various types. No, let me correct that statement! Fix the armor you currently have in the game. Make bone armor useful for something, along with chitin armor, and give padded a chance! Give these armors special resists to cold, heat, kinetic, enrgy, blast, .... Give BH armor Light Saber protection... OMG did I mention a Light Saber resist armor! Yes, even with my Jedi character BH's desreve some protection, after all, only they can hunt Jedi... therefore, reward them! Don't punish us all by forcing this new combat armor rating "Bull-S" on us when all you need to do is fix what you already have in the game! Again let the armorsmiths craft, don't limit them to crafting CU CRAP... let them build in the armor resists like it is today. Don't ruin their game because of this so called BALANCE!

Add the new weapons and beasts to the game Great idea and much needed! However, at the same time make cetain amnimals go extinct! You guys track what gets killed and what is not... use that information wisely.

Eliminate that group payout crap... don't force me to group with folks for higher paying missions. Let me choose that level 99 mission for soloing and if I get creamed at least it was my choice. Don't base the mission selection whether you are grouped with 20 other players! Base it off of your skill mastery, after all, a master swordsman should be able to pull higher paying missions than a Novice Bralwer... (FIX THAT) instead of trying to make that Novice Brawler Equal to a Master Swordsman!

For all of you who call Jedi Whinners... I recommend this to SOE for the upcoming CU... Put the XP loss on all professions! Let them see what it's like to lose 200,000 of xp because of one death... that'll bring balance to the galaxy quite quickly! After all, that solo player might think twice about attacking that lair/creature if he knew he/she might die from the encounter and lose massive experience.

People, life is not balanced in general. If it were we'd all be millionaires. After all, the grocery bagger(novice) does not make as much as the store owner(master). Therfore, PLEASE do not try to bring balance to a game that many of us enjoy playing THE WAY IT IS TODAY!

Sorry for the extended response, but I am not getting a warm feeling about the proposed CU and I realize that SOE is going to do whatever they want. Even if it means destroying the game we know and love. I just hope that they place the proposed CU on the TC's before ******** us players with it!


Sorb Renraw
Ceteri Prime (Dantooine)
Tarquinas

Blair i have a very simple question.WHY???

This is obviously not the original CU that we heard about

Why would SOE go out on its own and create a whole new game when there are literally hundreds of ideas in the SWG forums.

Is ticking off your player base(the people who have stuck with you through all of the other changes)the point of all of this??

Why did they decided to lie on the live q&a the other night and say that "the exit polls and forum polls are showing that people are coming around"Did someone forget that we can see the forum poll results?They have gotten progressively worse.BTW John Smedley himself also let the lie fall from his lips.

people defend SOE in saying that only people who hate the game bother to vote but according to Smedley(who btw i think the whole community lost respect for along with those that chose to lie during the q&a)they are getting great feedback from the players...FROM WHERE!!!Are you telling me that people who are threatening to quit go to the forum but people who say "hey this cu isnt to bad" would go to the trouble to email or call SOE HQ??He's getting good input from somewhere.

It sounds like typical big business.Someone at the top isn't getting the correct information.Five minutes cruising through the Profession forums would show that.Weed out those theat just say "SOE/CU SUX" and you still have a large number of players.

I know you cant answer my questions truthfully because we all have someone we answerr to and going against the company is bad for your bank account but PLEASE would someone answer the question that so many are asking.

WHY A NEW GAME?????????

Thanks

No flames here just questions.

On radiant server
I have spent all my sp on master artisan, master weaponsmith, master rifleman, and marksman 4001. This leaves me with 1 unspent point. So am I going to have to drop a branch of weaponsmith or artisan to keep rifleman. I have been using my rifle abilities to clear off all the lairs so i can drop harvesters or am I gonna have to start finding people to clear the area for me so I can put harvesters down.

On tempest server
I have spent all my sp on MScout,MBE,medic 0004, ranger 0030, marksman 0030, novice carbiner. All centered around being able to gather resources for my BE career. With the CU will I be able to actually gather meat for BE and be able to make all the things people need anymore or is the whole profession going to be useless except to make pets for the few CH people out there.

On Tarquinas server
I have spent my sp on Msmuggler, marksman 0200, brawler 4000, entertainer 4000, ID 4204. How does smuggler fit into the CU and is there going to be any use for the spices anymore or are they gonna be the primary way to get buffs. Since ID will no longer be used to move stats they just get to be hair dressers? or will they be of any use at all.

Will smugglers and BE be required to destroy bases anymore?