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#1 Mar 11 2005 at 12:07 PM Rating: Decent
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On the update page they are messing with nec pets again. WTF...lengthen they're HT/life tap time, they already stripped them of all kinds of HP's. And whats this that ive heard about patchs becomming unresitable...if they do that not only will our pets be paper, do less dmg, but also we wont have a way to heal them. Is it just me or does anyone else think, soe is out to ***** us over?
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#2 Mar 11 2005 at 12:16 PM Rating: Decent
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heh, yeah. It is kinda disheartening to see another downgrade on nec pets. But nec pacts becoming nonresistant? I haven't seen or heard anything 'bout that yet, but I guess we can only wait and see. Im pretty interested in seeing what they do with sk's and poison/disease based abilities. Might give a much needed edge in duels :)
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#3 Mar 11 2005 at 12:38 PM Rating: Decent
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as far as pacts being unresitable, ive only heard that in game, but honestly who knows
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#4 Mar 11 2005 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
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Not really much of these nerfs so far. They are more balancing then nerfs. I say they are just trying to even necs to other classes. The highest damage pet shouldnt have high HP and the ability to heal, it is fair. Now the recharge rate may or not be a balancing issue, it would depend how it compares to mages offensive pet. If they do about equal damage it is balance, but until accurate tests can be done posted, it is not a nerf.

I have yet to see where a dev said they want to make pacts unresistable, it is just the oppinion of several posters, just hearsay. But then again reading the post against nerfing pacts was funny. 10 Necros are worth 13 stack path clr and 10 DD's. So they were saying 10 necros are worth 23 other classes. When one class is worth 2.3 other classes there is something wrong, and that was in a post saying necros do not need to be toned down.
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#5 Mar 11 2005 at 2:36 PM Rating: Decent
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wtf?

your complaining about a necro nerf?!

necros are the most over powered class in the game, a nerf was in order, don't complain, you still have it good.
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#6 Mar 11 2005 at 2:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah there is some funny stuff on those main boards about nerfing.
They didnt take anything away from the necs, just lengthened the recast time of some things
And I feel it was very appropriate.
In no way shape or form should a necro be able to heal better than a stack cleric, or any other healer for that matter.
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#7 Mar 11 2005 at 3:10 PM Rating: Decent
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they make pacts non resistable im gona be relay pissed i spent alot fo money on ar gear.
btw the most powerfull pet in game would not me a necro pet it would be the tinker pet ti has max resists and a tinker told me he could tank 5 xrags at once.
any ways there r ******** us they havent seriously nerfed any other class thne necs in a long time,. do they just want people to make less necros but tthat would be unfair to people who have high lvl necros and spent a long time working on them
and if tis only balancing then y is it only necs im sure there r many other classes that could be balanced 2
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#8 Mar 11 2005 at 3:13 PM Rating: Decent
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bull **** tinker is the strongest, the nerfed those.

RSD with Cleric buffs would put a tinker to shame.

Tinker is only worth going for a gnome with out an MCA pet or worth while ability, tinker isn't a no brainer MC for a gnome.

and compared to nercos, all classes are gimp'd.
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#9 Mar 11 2005 at 3:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Pacts Unresistable= alot of wasted money on ar gear...

necs have been nerfed alot already, enough is enough.

if they nerf necs then they at least gotta nerf mages or encs or something to make it even
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#10 Mar 11 2005 at 3:17 PM Rating: Decent
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the reason im pisses is because i spent a long time making ny nec and if they make changes to necros that mess up how i built my necro that would be un fair wouldnt it

and btw the only reason ur not against this si uve never had a necro at a high lvl
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#11 Mar 11 2005 at 3:18 PM Rating: Decent
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btw the tinker pet was just wha ta gnome wizard told me
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#12 Mar 11 2005 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
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no offense or anything, but the only ones defending necro's have them.

take a look at a class like druids, their heals aren't as good as a clerics, and their buffs are no where near a shammy's.

the only thing they had going for them was nukes, until they nerfed des, which is also one of their main stats.

while your here complaining about a few necro nerfed, still remaining the most over powered higher end class, a druid is sitting there with nothing going for them, and nothing being done. all classes should get even pro's and con's, necro's deserve the nerfs.
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#13 Mar 11 2005 at 3:32 PM Rating: Decent
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no offense or anything, but the only ones defending necro's have them.

thats what i said and we have a right to lets see them nerf druids and see waht u say ur not gona be ahh we need a nerf ur gona argue

and reading the post under this taht i dint see it doesnt look that bad



Edited, Fri Mar 11 15:37:02 2005 by DeathDeifier
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#14 Mar 11 2005 at 3:40 PM Rating: Good
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In no way shape or form should a necro be able to heal better than a stack cleric, or any other healer for that matter.



kk first off...in grp a cleric with stack path can outstack a necro ne day...

but yes WE (me having a nec) need a fix, and bad.
are pets HTs and lifetaps are 5 min recast...insane.
are pacts should be non restiable b/c its a life transfer...life transfer, not heal. ill give you 680 health..of my health, so there for should do 680 to you transfering life...

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#15 Mar 11 2005 at 3:42 PM Rating: Good
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stop whining b/c your main is a nec...and plu it isnt hard to raise one, so i call ur bluff on " i took me a long time "

o and btw ar cost chit...wolfs eye agate...if you cant afford that then thats sad...you dont need the best to have ar.

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#16 Mar 11 2005 at 3:46 PM Rating: Decent
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we cant out any healer class liek u said
idc if they take away pets ht as it doesnt do nearly as much dmg as a regular ht or dt
life tpas y would they need to get rid of them 5 min recasst isnt short lengnthening them would be like lengthning mage air pets cast. necs life pets life taps r nto a major problem like u seem to think they r they dont do alot of dmg and like i said alot of necs including em use the taps to puss mobs not as a extra ddbecasue imo the pet taps do little dmg
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#17 Mar 11 2005 at 3:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Do you read as bad as you type?

Druids just got a nerf, and had dex nerfed already.

Did i make a thread? No.

Necro's needed the nerf, druids don't need a nerf by any stretch of the imagination.

Lengthen air pet casts? Why? Thats just stupid, first off do you realize they have more than one? Second do you realize that they do as much damage as a wizzy of the same level? So shouldn't their nukes be the same? A nuke is not like a lifetap or a harm touch.

Edited, Fri Mar 11 15:48:37 2005 by Murrun
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#18 Mar 11 2005 at 3:48 PM Rating: Good
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kk thier HT does 1.2k (44 HD with weap)..not alot?? and yes thier lifetaps do do alot of dmg...and heals for alot.

and mages have nothing to do with this...

and idk what else to say i cant understand half your writing
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#19 Mar 11 2005 at 3:50 PM Rating: Good
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we cant out any healer class liek u said
idc if they take away pets ht as it doesnt do nearly as much dmg as a regular ht or dt
life tpas y would they need to get rid of them 5 min recasst isnt short lengnthening them would be like lengthning mage air pets cast. necs life pets life taps r nto a major problem like u seem to think they r they dont do alot of dmg and like i said alot of necs including em use the taps to puss mobs not as a extra ddbecasue imo the pet taps do little dmg


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#20 Mar 11 2005 at 3:53 PM Rating: Decent
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how do u no if they do that much dmg maybe i just wasnt seeing how much dmg the ht did exaxctyl but usualy it doesnt look alot to me.

and wtf y is every1 against necs all of a sudden maybe ill just stop posting intil u guys calm down

Edited, Fri Mar 11 15:53:42 2005 by DeathDeifier
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#21 Mar 11 2005 at 3:55 PM Rating: Good
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how do u no if thye od thta much dmg maybe i just wasnt seeing how much dmg the ht did exaxctyl but usualy it doesnt look alot to me.

and wtf y is every1 against necs all fo a sudden maybe ill just stop posting intil u guys calm down

how do you know they dont do that much...excactly...
but really, i duel alot and ask what dmg numbers did and then multiplied by 2 since duels make dmg halfed.


im not agianst em..but ne one can see how overpowered we are.

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#22 Mar 11 2005 at 3:56 PM Rating: Decent
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I have nothing wrong with necro's, I do have a problem with people who complain about a little nerf against a hugely overpowered class.
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#23 Mar 11 2005 at 4:21 PM Rating: Decent
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wtf?

your complaining about a necro nerf?!

necros are the most over powered class in the game, a nerf was in order, don't complain, you still have it good.


Murrun, just how much damage do you think nec's do in PoD? Hmmm?
Oh excuse me their HT does 1k once every 5 min. Necro's may be over powerful in groups etc, but when it comes to PoD, it doesnt matter because the 1350 DR BASED PROC cannot do sh*t on ANY mob within Last Home. After all PoD is the chosen over PoS for the rares and difficulty of the mobs. About pacts, they nerfed resistance to AR so much that 3/7 attempts to pact with max AR will totally fail to resist.

And for those necros who no longer group with their character because they have obtianed every cm wanted/needed, we dont have it good. Also, Magicians pet buff gives the pet like 265 ticking heal plus a str/dex/proc for 30 min(with cm upgrade), and also get heals for their pet and they dont have to worry about maxing AR because their spells wont kill them. Their pets arent resisted at all in PoD, especially since Badi Elder is just melee damage, Djinn Vizier kicks the hell out of everything in PoD cause every mob has low LR, Efreeti Lord isnt resisted by anything at all, and Gihlian Noble well doesnt matter because they dont too much damage as it is.

Enchanters have it rough somewhat in PoD with lack of decent pets to charm, but still prove useful for power/procs.

Wizards are good because their 55 spell, Thunderbolt, is obviously LR based and once again, every mob in PoD has a weakness to LR based attacks.

So as you can see, necros dont have it as good as you think, while we may have a certain advantage in groups, we are at disadvantage for raids; while other classes are basically good at any area of xping and raiding.
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#24 Mar 11 2005 at 4:25 PM Rating: Decent
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finaly some1 that doesnt think that necros r the best class
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#25 Mar 11 2005 at 4:27 PM Rating: Decent
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how do you know they dont do that much...excactly...
but really, i duel alot and ask what dmg numbers did and then multiplied by 2 since duels make dmg halfed.


Pets ARE NOT halved in duels.
Multiple 450 by 3 = 1350 = Swarming Death proc

You cannot begin to argue that a Swarming Death procs 2700 damage per proc, if you think so, you're an imbecile.
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#26 Mar 11 2005 at 4:31 PM Rating: Decent
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this nerf is a load of crap they should have left them alone there pets almost like a ench pet but cant heal.and about the balencing thing thats just stupid who wants to play diferent classes if they are the even with each other?
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