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#1 Feb 23 2011 at 3:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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First off, my apologies since I know we've had a few of these threads recently, but I fail at searching the forum and couldn't find anything.

Anyway, I've been playing WoW since late 2006 and the whole time I've played I have been using an early 2006 Intel iMac. I really love the computer, but it is very slow (2 gHz, 2GB RAM, crappy integrated video). Once I upgraded from the horrific 512mb RAM that the computer shipped with, it became playable, but only with the settings turned all the way down. I've raided 25s since the beginning of Wrath as a tank and melee dps and haven't had any significant issues, but since Cataclysm launched, I'm starting to get more frustrated with the terrible fps I'm getting. I usually sit at 5-10 fps in a fight with basic addons running (Skada, DBM, Grid, Dominos). Our attempts at Atramedes have been downright upsetting, because it *looks* like I am avoiding the circles he sends out, but I am constantly at the top of the fail charts. Basically, I've decided I would like to get a more competent computer for raiding.

Ideally I would love to get another Mac (jaysgsl, I don't even want your opinion), but that is not in the budget. I'm looking for something preferably no more than $900, but less is always better. I know almost nothing about what I need, so that is why I've come to seek the advice of this forum since I know you guys know your stuff. I am totally drooling over the Alienware Aurora, but I've heard mixed things on them and it's also a bit over budget. If I'm not mistaken I thought I've heard that it's best to build your own, but again - I am totally clueless. My only condition other than cost is that where ever I purchase from must ship to Canada without exorbitant shipping fees.

So, if you actually read this (and I applaud you if you did!), I appreciate any and all input.
#2 Feb 23 2011 at 3:33 PM Rating: Good
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From what I know of it, Alienware is almost as absurdly overpriced as Macs.
If you're up for it, you're always going to get the best system for your bucks if you build it yourself and in that case I advice you to check the hardware help or whatever the forum is called and ask the geeks there (*cough*Kao*cough*) what the best options are.
If you don't want to build something yourself I'd suggest browsing around newegg.com and other such sites because you're going to get the best bang for your buck there.

Edited, Feb 23rd 2011 10:34pm by Aethien
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#3 Feb 23 2011 at 3:36 PM Rating: Good
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Wait, a red name I don't immediately recognize? What's this?

I've got nothing. Computer components are ridiculously overpriced here, so I'd go with the newegg.com thing, except I'd ask people for help on the components since I'm not a hardware kinda guy.
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#4 Feb 23 2011 at 3:39 PM Rating: Good
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Mazra wrote:
Wait, a red name I don't immediately recognize? What's this?

I've got nothing. Computer components are ridiculously overpriced here, so I'd go with the newegg.com thing, except I'd ask people for help on the components since I'm not a hardware kinda guy.
We have Alternate and Komplett, which are both still much more expensive than Newegg and other american sites but at least I'm not feeling quite as ripped off.
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#5 Feb 23 2011 at 3:50 PM Rating: Good
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I did do some looking around on Newegg and Tiger Direct, but the whole incompetent thing came into play and I wasn't sure if I'd be getting something any good. Mostly because the two main brands of "gaming computers" are names I have never heard of (and the computers themselves are kind of ugly as well).

I was looking at this one, but I'm not sure about it. The brand name sounds like some cheap made in China electronics, and it is one of the ugliest computer cases I've seen.



#6 Feb 23 2011 at 3:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Newegg sells pre-built rigs, you can probably get one for under $900. Oh, and yes, it'll do EVERYTHING ;)
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#7 Feb 23 2011 at 4:09 PM Rating: Good
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I saw that brand on newegg too and I have never seen it before so the best advice I can give is to ask Kao. Smiley: tongue
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#8 Feb 23 2011 at 4:15 PM Rating: Good
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Tiger Direct has a Category called gaming pc, and I would start by selecting that. Then look at the top sellers in your price range. Finally, look for a good rating by many reviewers and actually read the reviews. The same goes for other sites you may look at. Dozens of happy customers that may give comments about the games you run are always encouraging. Also, they may suggest an alternate model for you to look at.

I used that method to pick out a model at my local CompUSA (a little pricier than you are looking for). You just need to look in your price range.
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#9 Feb 23 2011 at 4:35 PM Rating: Good
I live in Canada as well and I've never had a problem ordering from www.ncix.com They are Vancouver based but also have a warehouse in Ontario now. They have weekly deals that start every Wednesday night and go till the following Tuesday. They also usually give free shipping on most orders in Canada. Shipping is also pretty quick. They have a PC builder on their site too. Use the recommended hardware on the Cata box as a guideline and go from there.
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I'd urge you to look into building a pc. Even if you ultimately don't (I have yet to D:), you'll learn a ton about how components work on their own/together, which is valuable in and of itself, but also in relation to checking out other rigs.

For example, you'll often see computers for sale that are cheap, but have parts that just aren't well suited for each other. For example, they might throw in a great graphics card, and shoot the price up for it. But if your CPU isn't equipped to handle it, you are just wasting resources and money for a name.

Here's a cool resource comparing models specifically for WoW.

And, one last note, I would recommend you focus on getting a better processor than graphics card for the moment. With Cata, they added some Direct x11 support, which will allow the processor to pick up some slack from the GPU (from what I understand). And it's easier to upgrade a GPU than a CPU.

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Also, I'm assuming you don't have a monitor. Remember that it will probably be the most expensive component of the rig (or at least up there with your GPU and CPU).

And don't skimp on fans. A cool PC is a happy PC. :3

Edited, Feb 23rd 2011 8:37pm by idiggory
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#11 Feb 23 2011 at 7:40 PM Rating: Good
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Ugh, a monitor! Thank you for pointing that out Idiggory, because I do not have a monitor. I'm still doing a bunch of research and so on, but now I'll keep that in mind while checking out prices.
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Ah, yeah, forgot that Macs don't have universal monitors with them.
There's a few things to note if you plan on building your computer, and I suggest you do! If you've ever screwed in a battery door, you have the basic skills required.
Metal grounds you to the components. When working in a case, always touch a metal part of the case to ground yourself and prevent yourself from shorting the part.
A cool computer is a happy computer. If you have room for it, a mid-ATX case will offer you 3-5 fan spaces, maybe more depending on the case. ALWAYS get a big rear fan, mine's a 7" fan. Try getting a case with side and top fans too, though top isn't REALLY necessary.
Power supply! For a modern rig used for gaming, I wouldn't go less than 500w, and that's for only mild gaming. If your power supply isn't giving enough power to the parts, they tend to skimp on the energy going to the fans first, for whatever reason.
Buy your parts in this order for compatibility sake:
1. Case / Power Supply
2. Motherboard
3. Processor
4. RAM
5. Video Card
6. Everything else.
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Also, remember to check what the case includes in terms of sockets for parts (or whatever they are called). They have different sizes/***** locations. You need a case that will fit what you want.

As jay said, a larger case (if you can fit it) is better. It allows you to get a case with more options, so you don't have to worry about spacing, and fit more fans. Plus, the distance between parts will already help in keeping things cool.

Also of note--put your pc in the coldest room you have. Because gaming rigs definitely warm up a room, lol.

Of course, you might just be buying a rig, so none of this matters. But you can apply much of this to a premade. More fans = good. More power = good. Also, be sure you get 64 bit Windows 7. 32 bit caps at 4 GBs of RAM. 64 bit requires a minimum of 4, but let's you go way higher. And more RAM = good.

64 does have quirks from what I've read, but nothing too bad (mostly to do with web browsers, but you can run the 32 bit versions instead).
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#14 Feb 23 2011 at 11:02 PM Rating: Good
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I can attest to 64 bit Windows 7 being just fine. I've not BSOD'ed once since switching to it, and it just runs smoother.
When buying premades, if it claims to be a 'gaming PC' it damn well better show you all the specs, including PSU and FSB / RAM speeds. It'll also mention how many fans it has.
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Also of note--put your pc in the coldest room you have. Because gaming rigs definitely warm up a room, lol.

Disappointingly, mine does not. Even running recent games on max settings it barely breaks 35C. It's a shame because this room could really use the heat.
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Remember, the heat of the components isn't the radiant heat. If your powerful components are always cool, it's putting out a good amount of heat (outside of the case).
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#17 Feb 24 2011 at 12:33 AM Rating: Good
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If you really can't afford a mac, but like them, consider a hachentosh. Build the computer to the specs of a Mac Pro, and put the Mac OS on it.

links: http://lifehacker.com/#!5672051/how-to-build-a-hackintosh-mac-and-install-os-x-in-eight-easy-steps

it uses all the components of a mac, gives you the same experience, but you get to make the computer and fit within your price range.
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Remember, the heat of the components isn't the radiant heat. If your powerful components are always cool, it's putting out a good amount of heat (outside of the case).

Mine isn't. It's completely cool outside all of the fans. I can even open it up and hold my hand near the components and barely tell they're working on anything. It's a mystery to me, though I guess it's a good thing.
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If you really can't afford a mac, but like them, consider a hachentosh. Build the computer to the specs of a Mac Pro, and put the Mac OS on it.

links: http://lifehacker.com/#!5672051/how-to-build-a-hackintosh-mac-and-install-os-x-in-eight-easy-steps

it uses all the components of a mac, gives you the same experience, but you get to make the computer and fit within your price range.

Have you seen what they try doing to people who Jailbreak SMALL Apple products? God forbid Apple ever find out you aren't running their OS on an 'Apple approved machine.'
You'd probably get taken to a secret underwater madman's lair and killed.
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#20 Feb 24 2011 at 3:31 AM Rating: Good
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Is it better or worse than what they do to PS3 jailbreakers? (I use those terms from the perpetrator's perspective--I'm quite pleased with Sony's decision actually).
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Well, removing from the network is removing from the network.
The PS3 is jailbroken to run illegal software, though. Apple devices are usually jailbroken to remove limitations on core features that are restricted from Das Factory.
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I've only ever heard of jailbreaking iphones to be used on other networks.
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When I was looking into smartphones, I was seeing jailbreaking as the fad to activate features like Tethering, UI customisation, and other stuff locked by default. I admit it's been 2 years and things could have changed by now.
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idiggory wrote:
I'd urge you to look into building a pc. Even if you ultimately don't (I have yet to D:), you'll learn a ton about how components work on their own/together, which is valuable in and of itself, but also in relation to checking out other rigs.


You also learn a lot about electric currents. Smiley: schooled

I recommend building your first rig in the presence of someone more experienced. You can mess up your brand new hardware in horrible ways if you go with the trial and error method.
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[quote=idiggory]You can mess up your brand new hardware in horrible ways if you go with the trial and error method.
Wasn't it Jophiel who static fried his CPU that one time?
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Building is fun, and I believe the way to go. You can't get cheaper than building it yourself.

My current rig I built about a year ago, the first pc I ever built from scratch. Although I had added/removed memory and drives before. I found plenty of good directions online.

Newegg had a smoking deal a week or two ago, 189 for all the parts needed to build a dual core athlon with 2 gigs of memory and a respectable harddrive. Its now expired, sadly. I almost bought one and I don't need another pc. Newegg all the way.

If you build, don't forget to budget in for an operating system. Windows 7 will run about 100 clams.
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