Did your guild read the patch notesFollow

Because mine sure didn't. Every single hunter said the same thing, 'They took out volley? Nooooooo!' I think it might be time to find a new guild

From what I understand, Trade Chat was on the verge of imploding last night. I always have trade off, but it was awesome watching my guild just shake their heads as people couldn't grasp what happened.

Because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to drum 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4 with the occasional situational button and move out of the fire when needed.

It also doesn't take a rocket scientist to gem/enchant either, especially for Agil/AP, what, with all of the guides on the net telling you exactly what you should be wearing and what you should stick on it?

And if you're a hardcore raid hunter, you likely only have 1 or 2 pets, right? And the Mastery thing is new, maybe he didn't read any of the upcoming info, and figured that he'd read about it when it actually comes to be a part of his raiding routine.

Jus' saying.

Yeah, my guild didn't read the patch notes. I'm constantly explaining why there's no more spell power or armor pen.

My guild is also half-full of complete idiots, so they're already ******** about the changes.

My guild was actually pretty on top of things; well those who managed to get on before I went to bed at least. There was a slow trickle of people coming on and off, chatting a little, a lot of "don't mind me I'm going to be alt-tabbing a lot." But the guild is mostly a low-key bunch who have been through this expansion thing a time or two before, and kind of know what to expect. Tis why I <3 them.

A lot of my guild stopped playing a while ago, and I haven't been able to finish the download yet so I still can't play. I knew what all was coming because I was on the PTR. A lot of my guild mates I don't know if they knew the extent of what was going on because they only started back up a bit ago and not hardcore raiding, but some and playing mostly alts so it will probably all be a shock to them.

Hopefully I can get this download done and installed by tomorrow...at the earliest...hate slow download speeds.

"Many class talents, spells, and abilities have been overhauled, added, or removed."

The patch notes didn't say anything about Volley.

I didn't know that all of the relics/totems/idols were changing into stat bonus items with sockets.

I don't like homework either.

I play a game to have FUN.

I'll read up on a website the basics about the class if I'm unsure about something, and sometimes I'll do a little testing, but you'll never find me breaking out a calculator to figure it down to the last damage per second. I usually have a fairly decent idea how to play my class, and my DPS is usually pretty decent given my current i-level avg. Heck, just before the patch, I took a Death Knight, who had an average ilvl of 187 (mostly savage saronite, with 4 i200 purples) and out-DPS'd a hunter wearing 3 pieces of triumph and managed to tie against an S-Priest wearing several 213-226s.

I was doing 1590-1720 on average, depending on size of the pulls, and how long the fights were while the hunter was doing 1200 (lawl!) and the priest was about 1600-1750ish herself. On the subject of that hunter, *my* hunter was doing 900 DPS in Reg-UK when he was *74*.

Edited, Oct 13th 2010 8:52pm by Lyrailis

Well, yeah, but it just strikes me as odd - most good players I know do at least enough "theorycrafting" that they know roughly what's going to happen to their class with the next patch. It doesn't take a spreadsheet to look up a couple of changes and realize your spec will change completely. We've literally had some otherwise good players who've been oblivious to at least half the changes that were going to apply to their class.

So, basically, Theo is Cranky Kong? Awesome.

I took 15 minutes a day to read MMO-Champion (not even 15 minutes most days) and I know a lot more about beta, Cata, and the patches than some people probably in the beta.

It's not hard to stay up to date when there's a website that puts literally everything you need to know in a daily post that takes 15 minutes max to skim.

Pretty much this.

I still feel like all thumbs with some stuff but that is more to new keybinds and retraining muscle memory.

Also no raid frames and reasonable timers is killing me. I miss Grid and SBF. :(

4.01 feels like a public beta for Cata.
So many changes made, so much more tuning required (expect more changes)

I can understand why the top players couldn't be bothered to find out the details, coz they are gonna be changed very soon.

Saves time/effort to wait for dust to settle before trying to figure things out :P
(I belief most people are no longer raiding seriously now anyway,... so no hurry to go figure things out)