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Wine is full of antioxidants, which help prevent cancer and stuff, though I'm fairly certain it's not the alcohol that does it. Light wine might hold the same amount of antioxidants.

I'm not trying to condone alcohol here, because it's a drug like anything else, and it's equally bad in too large quantities. To say that alcohol is worse than cannabis is just laughably stupid, though.

To be fair, that is a hugely wide claim. From what I can find, everybody seems to agree that Alcohol in large proportions destroys bodily functions. The reports on Cannabis in large proportions are conflicting at best - it would seem that most of the damage cannabis can do originates from the fact that people smoke it, which ruins their lungs.

The Dutch wikipedia has a small bit on the healthy applications of alcohol as well, but I can't find much about that on the English version. Granted though, this could well be because the English wikipedia has about 25 seperate pages on Alcohol and I didn't search them all ("Drinking", "Drinking Culture", "Long term Alcohol effects", "Short term Alcohol effects", "Medical uses of Alcohol", etc).

Claiming anything 'is true' is rather pointless when you're talking about substances which haven't been fully tested and discovered yet. The only thing I think we can safely agree upon is that "too much" of basically anything is bad.

Laughably stupid? I wouldn't go that far. Alcohol has a lot of seriously detrimental effects, the potential for devastating (and even deadly) addiction, and can kill you.

A lethal dose of THC? Scientists once estimated that you would need to smoke about 15 pounds of weed within an hour to get enough THC to overdose on it. It's psychologically (rather than physically) addictive. The worst thing it does is make lazy people lazier.

Brings me back to my original point - it's absurd that alcohol is legal and pot is not. Because in all honestly, weed doesn't cause nearly as much damage to people or society.

I don't really feel that drinking 10 beers is just fine. I don't even drink daily and often will go months without having any alcohol. I would call a moderate drinker one who has maybe a drink or two a day but I'm sure everyone's idea of what 'moderate' is will vary. While I know that alcohol abuse can ruin lives, I haven't met anyone personally in my life who has experienced this.

As for the pot, I remember when I was in school the kids who used pot were always behind in school with the barely C averages. I had some neighbors who used pot all of their lives (now in their 50s) and were living off the government on disability though they were physically capable of work if they really had to (the wife had foot problems and had to walk with crutches and I'm not sure what the husband's problem was). A few of my online friends use pot mainly to battle the anxiety that they feel when they don't smoke pot which kind of makes me wonder if the anxiety was just a reaction to not having the pot to drug them into a false sense of calm. It's entirely possible that some of the successful people I know also use it but none of them have ever mentioned using it.

Many things used to excess can ruin families and lives in different ways. Heck, there have been people who died from drinking too much water. I don't blame pot for society's problems and legalizing it wouldn't really make a difference to me personally as I still wouldn't touch the stuff. Yes, there is a double standard when it comes to alcohol and tobacco as well when it comes to addictive substances. Yes, pot isn't as horribly addictive and hazardous as many other substances it gets grouped with under the law. Sometimes I think they should just legalize all that stuff and slap warnings on it and then let the manufacturers pay for any extra healthcare and welfare costs associated with it. *shrugs* I don't see that happening though as there are too many people out there who think they need to protect people from making possibly stupid decisions.

This thread stayed on topic for way too long. I'm disappointed in you guys.

Tap water, or really any water without added electrolytes. And in case anyone brings up E at some point, it has the nice potential side effect of leading one to behave in ways that lead to water intoxication and hyponatremia.

True enough. But cigarettes are FAR worse, and legal. While there are correlations starting to emerge, they are not nearly as strong as the correlations between those diseases and cigarettes. For one thing, most pot smokers don't smoke more than a joint or a few bowls a day, whereas heavy smokers will smoke 20-40 cigarettes per day. Second hand smoke is not really a problem for the same reason, compounded by the fact that many smokers (at least the ones I know) will usually go outside or blow smoke out the window.

Personally, I live by some ground rules. I NEVER smoke in the day time, especially if I'm going to work. I am a teacher and I can say with a clear conscience that I have not smoked before or at school. Ever. As in - I would never, ever do that. I smoke in the evening only, just like responsible drinkers will come home and drink a beer or two. The most I ever smoke in a day is one large joint (shared), or 3-4 bowls. Most days I smoke a small joint (shared with my wife). I just like it. I have been on many vacations across borders and gone weeks without smoking with no withdrawal symptoms aside from a tickle in my brain telling me "wouldn't it be nice to smoke a dube right now?" heh.

Of course there are potheads who smoke from the time they wake up until the time they go to bed. That is another story. You can abuse just about anything.



My wife has smoked daily for 15 years (she is 29 right now). She went to the best (or second best, depending who you ask) law school in Canada and managed to pull off multiple A+ grades in a super-competitive class where only 8% of students could be awarded an A or better. She graduated with honors and won an award for business law. Nowadays, she works her *** off every day, sober, and then comes home craving a bowl. After a whole day of thinking non-stop, she needs it to calm down. Just like myself, she never smokes in the day time, just responsibly at night to relax.

If you met my wife in a professional capacity, you wouldn't know she smokes. She doesn't talk about it with her coworkers... She often wonders how many of them hide the same "secret."

I have met numerous people who are successful despite being regular pot smokers. I have also met numerous bums ... My own theory is that if you're lazy and unmotivated pot will just make you more so. If you're ambitious and hard-working, pot will just take the edge off. That's why I smoke it.


Edited, Sep 26th 2010 3:12pm by Jordster

it's a simple matter of weight ratios!

That stuff was banned in Kansas where I used to live and the like Feds or someone raided a couple of shops that sold K2 before it was even illegal and took all their stuff and paraphernalia and fined them a **** ton of money.