How come you don't do it?Follow

Only because I dont have enough time to commit to a real guilds requirements. Well actually I do have the time, it is just at erratic times throughout the week.

WoW will always be second to real life, I dont hesitate to abandon a raid to see my friends, which is why I no longer try to commit myself to a proper raid schedule.

Could say the same for you. I personally took it as Bode making a funny post.

I was talking to another poster about this thread, and they made a good point: it's only the people that don't know if they could succeed in a high-end raid environment based on their skill and knowledge that took offense to Bode's comment. The rest of us are giggling at how offended you guys are.

Edited, Aug 28th 2010 2:34pm by Theophany

I got offended at first with Bodhi's post, then re-read it and saw that he said most and I calmed down. I've been in a progression guild before, which made it to top 10 on our server in 10 man content within a month to a month and a half of it being created. I know I have the skill, I just don't have the time or the hardware.

I'd like to think that I don't carry the elitist attitude. I could care less if one of the dps is being carried in a heroic, as long as we make it through the dungeon without problems. I might laugh to myself if the person is doing less than 2k dps, but that's about it.

Edited, Aug 28th 2010 5:14pm by PigtailsOfDoom

My biggest issue with raiding at the next level is time. I can't commit to a certain extracurricular schedule at this point in time.
For the record, the level of raiding my guild is at is 'able to clear all current tier content on normal mode with some hard modes'.

I agree mostly with this.

I am not an elitist, not even close.

As long as someone puts out the DPS that is expected of that content and their DPS is consistent with their gear, then I'm happy.

If someone enters a Wrath Heroic, wearing full 187 blues and does 1200-1500 DPS, I'm happy with that. They're doing reasonable effort for the gear they have. They probably JUST dinged 80, and it could be their first 80.

If someone enters a Wrath Heroic, and they're wearing full purples, a mish-mash of AH BoEs that range from 200 to 245 and they're only doing 1200.... yeah I mind. The reason being, that with that kind of GS, they should be getting more than 1200. More like... 1800-2200+ if not higher.

Just a quick example.

I have a friend who gets kicked from raids often even if he's always top3 dps because he has PvP gear. And at the moment most pugs GS requirements mean that you have to outgear the content to even be in the raid.

And while I've been running with lots of lemmings their DPS is rarely the problem, most lemmings do lots of DPS. I've had ToC PuGs that outgeared the place by a ridiculous margin but couldn't get past the worms because the poison kills almost everyone.

Edited, Aug 29th 2010 2:04am by xorq

I stopped using it all together. Completely deleted the thing.

When doing PuGs I make people come for a visually inspect unless I know them or someone I trust vouches for them.

My current guild has a policy of declining an application if the applicant mentions his/her GearScore.

They wouldn't have such a problem with standing in the bad stuff on the floor if their eyes weren't glued to Recount, or the yellow numbers floating up above their characters' heads.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18461_5-creepy-ways-video-games-are-trying-to-get-you-addicted.html#ixzz0xvIWaBBq

This article has a link to another good article.



http://kotaku.com/5384643/i-kept-playing--the-costs-of-my-gaming-addiction

In summary: boobies>raiding

some people can do both, and for that, I applaud you. I simply don't have the time management skills.

Edited, Aug 29th 2010 5:55am by thrashering

The pieces from TOGC 25. Versus someone who has the same score, has never raided seriously, and is all badge gear from heriocs, and PvP stuff. Well that's what sets it apart in my mind at least.

Side thought:

Ya, GS at the PuG level is getting beyond crazy these days. Let's say there are 2 big reasons people don't raid hardcore, lack of skill and and lack of time. Let say you have tons of time, but your skill is lacking. Well you can do the first wing of ICC every week, run your daily random herioc, weekly raid, and get oodles of yummy frost badges. You can trade those in for uber prizes and get the lil' 4 digit number pretty darn big. Now contrast that with someone who has more skill and less free time. Well their 4 digit number is smaller, but they can still perform as well, if not better then the ones with a lot of free time.

Now add in the typical male tendency to get into a pointless sparring match, and what do you get? Something like this after a Rotface normal wipe...

Person with more time: "Why'd didn't you heal me?"
Person with less time: "dude stop standing in stuff, I can't keep you alive"
Person with more time: "You would be able to heal me through that if you'd just get some gear, it's not hard to get 6k GS"
Person with less time: "it's not hard not to stand in stuff."
Person with more time: "if you'd stop being lazy and get some gear you could heal through it"
Person with less time: "if you move before DBM yelled at you I wouldn't have to"

Mr. Moretime will set the GS requirement higher to keep out Mr. Lesstime. But if Mr. Lesstime is in charge he'll kick Mr. Moretime for standing in something.

Gearscore is a great tool for people who have more free time to discriminate against people who have more skill.

I dunno, sometimes I just kinda see it as a power struggle between those two groups...




Edited, Aug 29th 2010 10:36am by someproteinguy

Edited, Aug 29th 2010 10:39am by someproteinguy

Sometimes what makes a decent raider isn't as simple as "don't stand in fire" or skillscore.


Story time with Bode


I was doing a ICC 10 man on my hunter, clearing the trash going to Plague Wing. It was a sloppy pull, and entirely survivable but we got the 2 aboms, the geists, plague scientists and the horrors all at once. We had 2 healers, a shaman and paladin.

Damage is spiking, they are going all out and then the Plague Scientist turns the Shaman into an Ooze.

The paladin didn't cleanse. Now for me it wouldn't even register as a decision, I would just do it. Finish cast heal, cleanse, follow up with a LoH if tank is super low, if only half health a Holy Shock + HL. Because while the GCD during a heal intensive miss pull can be dicey the realization is that 1gcd is worth getting a healer on his feet especially when healing is an issue at that very moment, if it was dps then it's another story.

Well RNG is a vindictive and cruel wh'ore so the 2nd Plague Scientist Oozed the paladin 4 seconds into the resto shaman being oozed. We wiped.


The Moral
9/10ths of being a good raider is being proactive, know the fights before hand, watch your timers and be ready to move before the boss actually puts fire under your feet etc.

The 1/10th is the ability to make clutch calls, and make good ones.

Most of the time when a raider dies it is because they zigged when they should have zagged. Or even worse, froze like a deer in headlights and didn't even realize something bad was happening until they were looking at a "release" button on their screen.


/shrug

Edited, Aug 29th 2010 2:17pm by bodhisattva