Out of curiosity, is this drawing taken of everyone like in a random draw of anyone who comments, or are you taking the top rated comments and then giving them the key? Just wondering.
If i could get a reply, that would be great! :)
Thanks for the chance! ^_^
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I think they'll collect all names and then do a /rnd to see who gets it.
Snowball's chance in hell.
Snowball's chance in hell.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Mazra is correct. We'll be taking all the entries and simply doing a random pull at the end. Thanks for the question though, as we needed to add that wording into the rules.
I protest. The original post did not disclose this as a purely random drawing:
and clearly implied that content would be considered:
Note that the bold face is contained within the original post and has not been added as emphasis. Discussion would be moot if the contest were a purely random drawing.
If response to the contest went beyond the expectations of the person who formulated the language of the original post, 50 pages of response later is too late to be changing things. The integrity of the contest demands that each post be read and evaluated according to the spirit of the original announcement -- which placed emphasis on "tell us" rather than "we will randomly select something that might be pure drivel". If readers can be bothered to write an actual post, the admin in charge should be willing to read what was requested. If you just wanted random statistics, it would have been easier, and less trouble for the forum, if you'd made it an "enter this survey" style contest.
edited to correct bold to conform to original post.
Edited, Jul 28th 2010 1:06am by Rhodekylle
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Thanks for the question though, as we needed to add that wording into the rules.
and clearly implied that content would be considered:
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Remember, you must discuss the Catacylsm expansion and the element that really gets your gears turning, otherwise your post will be disqualified.
Note that the bold face is contained within the original post and has not been added as emphasis. Discussion would be moot if the contest were a purely random drawing.
If response to the contest went beyond the expectations of the person who formulated the language of the original post, 50 pages of response later is too late to be changing things. The integrity of the contest demands that each post be read and evaluated according to the spirit of the original announcement -- which placed emphasis on "tell us" rather than "we will randomly select something that might be pure drivel". If readers can be bothered to write an actual post, the admin in charge should be willing to read what was requested. If you just wanted random statistics, it would have been easier, and less trouble for the forum, if you'd made it an "enter this survey" style contest.
edited to correct bold to conform to original post.
Edited, Jul 28th 2010 1:06am by Rhodekylle
In Chinese: glasses are yanjing; eyes are yanjing, and the beer of Beijing is Yanjing. When speaking, the difference is in the tones. Did I just order a glass of beer or a glass of eyes?
pretty much all the posts I read conform to the specifications. That being said, obviously disqualified posts won't be part of the random drawing. It's random from all entries, me posting hi wouldn't be an entry. Edited, Jul 28th 2010 12:39am by Xsarus
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Rhodekylle wrote:
I protest. The original post did not disclose this as a purely random drawing:
and clearly implied that content would be considered:
Note that the bold face is contained within the original post and has not been added as emphasis. Discussion would be moot if the contest were a purely random drawing.
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Thanks for the question though, as we needed to add that wording into the rules.
and clearly implied that content would be considered:
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Remember, you must discuss the Catacylsm expansion and the element that really gets your gears turning, otherwise your post will be disqualified.
Note that the bold face is contained within the original post and has not been added as emphasis. Discussion would be moot if the contest were a purely random drawing.
False. Discussion may be specified as a rule of the contest if it is the desire of the ZAM Network to make it so. It in no way implies that the content of said discussion is an element in the choosing of winners, only that it is a requirement to be a part of the pool of eligible winners.
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The integrity of the contest demands that each post be read and evaluated according to the spirit of the original announcement
Also false. It only requires that they be evaluated according to the letter of the original announcement, which did not specify how winners would be drawn. Anything else is idealism and not relevant in any way, shape or form to ZAM.
While you might personally feel slighted about this, it's something that all the regular posters already knew about and have been talking about. If it was a surprise, you haven't been paying attention. And, in a legal sense, you have no recourse because the terms of the contest were not violated.
If there were no confusion over how the winners would be determined,the OP would not have asked the question and Mazra is unlikely to have qualified his response by writing "I think."
As for points of law, I didn't raise any such points and have no intention of discussing them. I'm retired from practice and have no desire to educate anyone who might be inclined to file a nuisance suit. Hopefully, anyone else posting here will do the same. The question for me is not whether a legal defense/attack could be formulated -- good lawyers are paid to be able to do either as the client's needs require -- but rather ... who the heck waits for fifty pages of response to have a cup of coffee and decide to post the rule about how the winners will be selected.
As a personal issue, I'm more concerned with the precedent this sets -- that in a post Allakhazam era, without a regular forum admin, rules are going to become a matter of convenience. Is that idealism as far as ZAM? Perhaps it is, but it is as valid as any other opinion. I find it mildly surprising that clear rules are not as relevant to the interests of some posters as clear buttons.
As for points of law, I didn't raise any such points and have no intention of discussing them. I'm retired from practice and have no desire to educate anyone who might be inclined to file a nuisance suit. Hopefully, anyone else posting here will do the same. The question for me is not whether a legal defense/attack could be formulated -- good lawyers are paid to be able to do either as the client's needs require -- but rather ... who the heck waits for fifty pages of response to have a cup of coffee and decide to post the rule about how the winners will be selected.
As a personal issue, I'm more concerned with the precedent this sets -- that in a post Allakhazam era, without a regular forum admin, rules are going to become a matter of convenience. Is that idealism as far as ZAM? Perhaps it is, but it is as valid as any other opinion. I find it mildly surprising that clear rules are not as relevant to the interests of some posters as clear buttons.
In Chinese: glasses are yanjing; eyes are yanjing, and the beer of Beijing is Yanjing. When speaking, the difference is in the tones. Did I just order a glass of beer or a glass of eyes?
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I hope it's random! I've been on this site for a while and posted for the first time to get a chance at the beta that I QQ every night about not getting into.
lol
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Rhodekylle wrote:
As a personal issue, I'm more concerned with the precedent this sets -- that in a post Allakhazam era, without a regular forum admin, rules are going to become a matter of convenience. Is that idealism as far as ZAM? Perhaps it is, but it is as valid as any other opinion. I find it mildly surprising that clear rules are not as relevant to the interests of some posters as clear buttons.
Seriously? They forget to include one of the rules in their initial posting, and somehow it's setting precedent here? I'm not concerned about it because, given the choice between them choosing posts on "merit" and doing it at random even without disclosing it first, I'd still rather they do it at random. I don't want it to be up to some admin's arbitrary decision as to which 50 entries were most deserving of the beta key, and I don't want this forum to suffer from the controversy of people whining about how they weren't selected even though their post was beautifully constructed. You're right that this isn't nearly as relevant to my interests as relabeling the buttons, but that's because, as far as I'm concerned, this is a non-issue.
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I just have a quick question to throw in, regarding the random selection of people who win a Beta key.
Considering the massive amount of posts the topic got in such a short time, I think it's safe to say that at least several people made multiple account (perhaps with different e-mail adresses?) to post multiple times in the topic. After all, look at how many people there only have one most.
Now, you may call me a hypocrite because I barely have any posts as well, but in case there are people who made multiple accounts, how are you going to make sure it's being done fair? Sure, I realise that even if somebody made 20 accounts his chance to win is still minimal, but it just seems a little unfair to me.
Considering the massive amount of posts the topic got in such a short time, I think it's safe to say that at least several people made multiple account (perhaps with different e-mail adresses?) to post multiple times in the topic. After all, look at how many people there only have one most.
Now, you may call me a hypocrite because I barely have any posts as well, but in case there are people who made multiple accounts, how are you going to make sure it's being done fair? Sure, I realise that even if somebody made 20 accounts his chance to win is still minimal, but it just seems a little unfair to me.
Kaolian seems to deeply enjoy sorting out people who make sock accounts, so for all I know he'll check on it just for fun. If he doesn't I'm sure they'll be checking IPs to make sure no one is making multiple entries.
Majivo wrote:
Kaolian seems to deeply enjoy sorting out people who make sock accounts, so for all I know he'll check on it just for fun. If he doesn't I'm sure they'll be checking IPs to make sure no one is making multiple entries.
All 56 pages full of people with 1 post, yeah. He's gonnareally enjoy it.
Lolz
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Micajah wrote:
Mazra is correct. We'll be taking all the entries and simply doing a random pull at the end. Thanks for the question though, as we needed to add that wording into the rules.
I'm correct.
I think I'm going to manipulate that quote and add it to my signature, along with some quotes from Kao and Darqflame. Fear my Notepad editing skills.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
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I think I'm going to manipulate that quote and add it to my signature, along with some quotes from Kao and Darqflame. Fear my Notepad editing skills.
I do a pretty wicked turtle on MS paint.
Galkaman wrote:
All 56 pages full of people with 1 post, yeah. He's gonnareally enjoy it.
Not like it's hard to just check all the recently created accounts for duplicates. Checking to see if anyone made two accounts doesn't mean he has to go read the entire thread.
The selection process of winners is more of a guideline than a rule. As such, everyone should be glad that it's going to be a random drawing. I'm sure, I'd be pissed to find out later that it's based exactly on what I typed, how I typed it, and how long it is.
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You mean I didn't have to put thought and effort into my post on that thread?
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main
90 male Troll Shaman
alts
90 male Troll Death Knight....90 male Troll Hunter..........90 female Troll Warrior
90 male Blood Elf Paladin.....87 female Troll Rogue.........90 female Troll Mage
90 male Troll Druid...........90 female Troll Shaman (yes, I have two)
82 female Goblin Warlock
86 female Draenei Shaman......85 female Dranei Hunter
I'm just saying, some people wrote one or two sentences, while others actually wrote, at least, a paragraph. Just as an example, of course. I'm not getting my hopes up. lol
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90 Rogue - Aresella
90 Shaman - Aislynn
90 Warrior - Alazara
88 Mage - Gízmo
85 Druid - Araxi
85 Hunter - Xeliara
85 Priest - Alaxandra
85 Paladin - Kallísto
30 Monk - Faewyn
90 Rogue - Aresella
90 Shaman - Aislynn
90 Warrior - Alazara
88 Mage - Gízmo
85 Druid - Araxi
85 Hunter - Xeliara
85 Priest - Alaxandra
85 Paladin - Kallísto
30 Monk - Faewyn
morghast wrote:
You mean I didn't have to put thought and effort into my post on that thread?
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This.
I'm guessing they had intended to read them until they saw the 3300+ replies, with many more to come, I'm sure.
Oh well. Someone with 1 post who wrote "im eksited for calculisim cuz i get haf be 85" is bound to win now!
Edited, Jul 28th 2010 3:47pm by Jordster
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Yeah, which is why they shouldn't have done it cross-site. Really, it's ******* obvious that they'll get a massive amount of replies, so if they really do want to do it cross-site, at least make the "contest" a "just sign up here, write X if you can't spell".
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Jordster wrote:
I'm guessing they had intended to read them until they saw the 3300+ replies, with many more to come, I'm sure.
That's probably true. I know I wouldn't want to have to read all those and pick out the 'best' ones.
It really did sound like it was going to be based on the post itself when I first read the rules. I won't keep my hopes up if it's going to be random with all those posts.
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90 male Troll Shaman
alts
90 male Troll Death Knight....90 male Troll Hunter..........90 female Troll Warrior
90 male Blood Elf Paladin.....87 female Troll Rogue.........90 female Troll Mage
90 male Troll Druid...........90 female Troll Shaman (yes, I have two)
82 female Goblin Warlock
86 female Draenei Shaman......85 female Dranei Hunter
Cenarius
main
90 male Troll Shaman
alts
90 male Troll Death Knight....90 male Troll Hunter..........90 female Troll Warrior
90 male Blood Elf Paladin.....87 female Troll Rogue.........90 female Troll Mage
90 male Troll Druid...........90 female Troll Shaman (yes, I have two)
82 female Goblin Warlock
86 female Draenei Shaman......85 female Dranei Hunter
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It's a little disappointing that you'll only be doing a random roll to decide the winners. On the otherhand, I pity the poor soul that has to evaluate the best 50 entries out of the roughly 3,500 posts and growing if you did it the other way.
I guess it'll reach about 10k posts, so the odds of winning would be 1 in 200.
I guess it'll reach about 10k posts, so the odds of winning would be 1 in 200.
I find it a little odd that anyone would think that it'd be anything other then a draw from eligible entries to be honest.
It removes the obvious problem of staff bias what with premium accounts and whatnot, and mirrors similar contests they've had in the past.
It removes the obvious problem of staff bias what with premium accounts and whatnot, and mirrors similar contests they've had in the past.
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It removes the obvious problem of staff bias what with premium accounts and whatnot, and mirrors similar contests they've had in the past.
True - though I wouldn't know about what they've done in the past since I don't recall ever entering a contest on the site before.
Still, at least if it were a judged contest, I could blame the judges for the outcome rather than just blind chance which seldom smiles on me when I want it to. Heheh
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Cenarius
main
90 male Troll Shaman
alts
90 male Troll Death Knight....90 male Troll Hunter..........90 female Troll Warrior
90 male Blood Elf Paladin.....87 female Troll Rogue.........90 female Troll Mage
90 male Troll Druid...........90 female Troll Shaman (yes, I have two)
82 female Goblin Warlock
86 female Draenei Shaman......85 female Dranei Hunter
Cenarius
main
90 male Troll Shaman
alts
90 male Troll Death Knight....90 male Troll Hunter..........90 female Troll Warrior
90 male Blood Elf Paladin.....87 female Troll Rogue.........90 female Troll Mage
90 male Troll Druid...........90 female Troll Shaman (yes, I have two)
82 female Goblin Warlock
86 female Draenei Shaman......85 female Dranei Hunter
Sir Xsarus wrote:
I find it a little odd that anyone would think that it'd be anything other then a draw from eligible entries to be honest.
It removes the obvious problem of staff bias what with premium accounts and whatnot, and mirrors similar contests they've had in the past.
It removes the obvious problem of staff bias what with premium accounts and whatnot, and mirrors similar contests they've had in the past.
Well that sure sounds condescending.
If you read the wording, and pay attention to the fact that they would be reading the entries. When there were 100 entries, if I had asked the same question, it would not have sounded odd to think that someone would sit and read 100 entries.
I was the 50-something-eth person to enter. At the time, it didn't seem so "odd" to think that someone would read it.
Looking at it now, it's pretty obvious that they won't be reading them all. Don't be so condescending when you look at the situation in hindsight and snicker like it was obvious the whole time. I don't think they owe us anything, and I really don't care if they random them out, but again it really isn't so crazy to think that they were originally going to read them all.
PS. The staff here is not bias. If they wanted to make a contest for premium members only, they would have. They have done that before.
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