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#1 May 29 2010 at 9:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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The only thing Rosie enjoys more than watching her dad do dailies (and attempting to headbutt the Boneguard Commanders--luckily she can't reach the monitor) is running heroics with me. She also is fascinated with my bronze drake and my red wind serpent, so even just farming herbs for an hour or two keeps her happy.

I can't wait til she's old enough to level her first Hunter. xD
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#2 May 29 2010 at 9:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Not long now and you can have her working 16 hour days farming for you!
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She should probably be able to stand up before she starts leveling a hunter, but she looks ready for a warrior already.
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Very cute :) Raising your own little farmer from a ripe young age!

But the title "Nerdiness is Learned" might work better with the picture.
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She also is fascinated with my bronze drake


Five bucks says her first words will be "Mommy I want Netherwing rep." Smiley: grin



ETA: Durrrrr....

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Just make her a Retadin. :P
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isyris wrote:
She also is fascinated with my bronze drake


Five bucks says her first words will be "Mommy I want Netherwing rep." Smiley: grin


Her dad is close--she can just steal his. No way am I even trying that grind. xD
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My kid got me 3 BoE world drop epics in TBC while farming motes of mana with my mage.

He had the most twinked hunter ever because I spent half the gold I made from them gearing his guy for him.

My former spacebar banger to make people jump is 3 and a half now, she has graduated to summoning my flying mounts and doing circles around Dalaran.

She LOVES the Twilight Drake.

She also happens to be surprisingly adept at Peggle on my iPhone.
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isyris wrote:
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isyris wrote:
She also is fascinated with my bronze drake


Five bucks says her first words will be "Mommy I want Netherwing rep." Smiley: grin


Her dad is close--she can just steal his. No way am I even trying that grind. xD

It's actually not that bad, considering how long some grinds can be. I went back with my level 80 Death Knight cause I wanted the black Netherdrake for her. Obviously, the dailies are once per day but there's a quest that allows you to collect and hand in any drake eggs that you find in the area, which is repeatable rather than daily. Even just running through the mines in the area for my dailies, I always found at least four eggs each day. A couple of occasions, when I had some time off, I'd just run/fly around hunting down eggs to grab and hand in to help make the journey to exhalted a little shorter. I had my Netherdrake in just four days.

As for the baby, she looks completely attentive; soaking in little details and each button press. My girlfriend just joked, "I hope they cover her eyes when they have to kill someone."
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Could've told you nerdness was hereditary. I can't be near my dad for more than half an hour before I start thinking 'What a nerd', only to then realize I'm his son and I'm playing an online roleplaying game.
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As for the baby, she looks completely attentive; soaking in little details and each button press. My girlfriend just joked, "I hope they cover her eyes when they have to kill someone."


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The only thing Rosie enjoys more than watching her dad do dailies (and attempting to headbutt the Boneguard Commanders--luckily she can't reach the monitor) is running heroics with me. She also is fascinated with my bronze drake and my red wind serpent, so even just farming herbs for an hour or two keeps her happy.


Over-exposing your baby/toddler to TV or computer screens at an early age has been linked to reduced attention span and learning disabilities. I just hope you guys are taking pictures and then getting off the computer to actually spend time with the baby. I'm kind of scared reading all these people gloating about how much they expose their baby to WoW... Maybe it's the teacher in me.

But I guess if you're going for "cute" then A+.



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Jordster wrote:
Over-exposing your baby/toddler to TV or computer screens at an early age has been linked to reduced attention span and learning disabilities.


Says who?

I was over-exposed to both TV and computers at an early age and it did nothing except lead me to enjoy video games and movies. I'm also the most patient guy you'll probably ever meet, not to mention I'm fairly smart. Smiley: schooled

Reduced attention span and learning disabilities stem from a much, much bigger issue: lack of parenting. Has more to do with your children being under-exposed to physical/psychological stimuli than over-exposed to media. If anything, it might make your children more introvert, since they learn that they don't need to be around people to be around people.

And yes, it's the teacher in me speaking as well.

In retrospect, the above makes it seem like I think over-exposure isn't a bad thing. By definition, it is. What I'm questioning is when to call it over-exposure. Any kind of over-exposure, be it to video games, movies or books, is a bad thing.

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Mazra wrote:
Jordster wrote:
Over-exposing your baby/toddler to TV or computer screens at an early age has been linked to reduced attention span and learning disabilities.


Says who?

I was over-exposed to both TV and computers at an early age and it did nothing except lead me to enjoy video games and movies. I'm also the most patient guy you'll probably ever meet, not to mention I'm fairly smart. Smiley: schooled

Reduced attention span and learning disabilities stem from a much, much bigger issue: lack of parenting. Has more to do with your children being under-exposed to physical/psychological stimuli than over-exposed to media. If anything, it might make your children more introvert, since they learn that they don't need to be around people to be around people.

And yes, it's the teacher in me speaking as well.


I can not disagree with anything you're saying.

Parenting is SO important. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING can replace time spent directly interacting with your child, whether they are 2 days old or 9 years old. Every stage of development requires parents actually stimulate and spend time with their children.

On the other hand, there actually are studies that show that time spent in front of the TV/computer can cause serious issues, just look at the class action lawsuit against Disney over "Baby Einstein"

I don't have kids, so I'm not one to talk. However, the wife and I would like to have some as soon as we get our careers to where we want them to be, and as soon as we can buy a house, which is VERY tough in Toronto right now due to prices... But soon enough :)
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There's no doubt that leaving toddlers to play video games and watch television on their own is bad. What we're seeing here, however, are parents playing with their children at the computer.
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I think playing games with children and allowing them to spend some time on them independently is a great learning tool. Its a very low impact activity but it increases hand eye coordination by a large amount. Plus it gives another thing father/mother and child can do together, which is something that doesn't happen enough.
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#16 May 31 2010 at 3:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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isyris wrote:
I can't wait til she's old enough to level her first Hunter. xD


About another year or so then right? Smiley: tongue
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isyris wrote:
I can't wait til she's old enough to level her first Hunter. xD


About another year or so then right? Smiley: tongue


She's probably smart enough by now to outplay your average huntard...it's just the hand-eye thing she's got to work out ;D Well, that and overcoming her compulsion towards gumming the corner of the keyboard. Smiley: sly
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On the other hand, there actually are studies that show that time spent in front of the TV/computer can cause serious issues, just look at the class action lawsuit against Disney over "Baby Einstein"


Correlation is not causation, though. Without actually looking at the studies, my guess would be that the factor they're not accounting for is that generally speaking time spent in front of a computer/TV screen is time spent not interacting with a caregiver. If you combine the two then it might be an entirely different story; most adults tend to use electronics as a free babysitter which would be detrimental.
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On the other hand, there actually are studies that show that time spent in front of the TV/computer can cause serious issues, just look at the class action lawsuit against Disney over "Baby Einstein"


Correlation is not causation, though. Without actually looking at the studies, my guess would be that the factor they're not accounting for is that generally speaking time spent in front of a computer/TV screen is time spent not interacting with a caregiver. If you combine the two then it might be an entirely different story; most adults tend to use electronics as a free babysitter which would be detrimental.


Absolutely. That was the the big criticism of Baby Einstein right from the beginning. Did people really expect that by dropping their baby in front of the TV for a few hours, their babies would become super-geniuses?

On the other hand, if you teach your child to play 3d games from the time they're little, they will probably be much better than you are by the time they grow up!
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Can't just blame the parents though. It's nigh impossible to live on one income with ever increasing taxation and schools eat up a good 6 hours a day of time along with what, 2 hours of homework (which has nothing to do with learning, it's just meaningless busy work to further intrude on family time). You get your kids on the weekend, the system basically treats you like the bad parent in a divorce as someone once put it.

Kids are supposed to be a blessing and the ever increasing enroachment on family time is turning them into a chore which I think is truly tragic.
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Can't just blame the parents though. It's nigh impossible to live on one income with ever increasing taxation and schools eat up a good 6 hours a day of time along with what, 2 hours of homework (which has nothing to do with learning, it's just meaningless busy work to further intrude on family time). You get your kids on the weekend, the system basically treats you like the bad parent in a divorce as someone once put it.

Kids are supposed to be a blessing and the ever increasing enroachment on family time is turning them into a chore which I think is truly tragic.


Huh? Only get to see your kids on the weekend? What are we talking about here? Your post seems like a mess, or maybe I don't get it.

First of all, I might be privileged since I live in a country where, unless you're on the bottom step of the social ladder, you've got a fairly good chance of being able to support at least one kid on one income. Second, we utilize a lot of after-school institutions. Means your kid gets to stay and play with the other kids (most people use this) after school until the parents can come get them.

And I don't want to hear about ever increasing taxation.

Also, while I was never a big fan of homework myself, it's not like teachers are conspiring to take away family time from their students. Most homework involves reading and writing, right? Two best/fastest ways to learn something is to read and write it. Reading forces your mind to deal with the issue in images and writing it down afterwards imprints it on your memory.

That's why a lot of school work involves mundane copy-paste tasks such as "read article and write summary".

And two hours of homework a day is too much. Should not take more than half an hour. And unless the educational system is vastly different in the US, for the first two (three) years in school, students don't get mandatory daily homework (2nd graders get a weekly assignment, 3rd grade is usually where real homework starts).

Don't blame school for not giving you enough time with your kids.

And no one should get kids if they still are naive enough to believe that kids 'are supposed to be a blessing'. So is life, but life still sucks once in a while. Deal with it.
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And two hours of homework a day is too much. Should not take more than half an hour. And unless the educational system is vastly different in the US, for the first two (three) years in school, students don't get mandatory daily homework (2nd graders get a weekly assignment, 3rd grade is usually where real homework starts).



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Okay, I think I can type with a straight face now.

I guess the system here is vastly different, because half an hour of homework? Weekly assignments? Kindergarten comes close to that, but that's it. My daughter is in first grade and she has, minimum, an hour of homework Mon-Thurs (including timed reading, so it's not like she can get it done faster). In deference to her tender age, she doesn't get homework on weekends, but that will change next year when the real work starts. By the time she's in third grade two hours won't be unusual.

My neigbors in middle school (6th, 7th, 8th grade) routinely go to bed after their parents because they're up doing homework. I think they'd be delighted to find themselves with only two hours. And holiday breaks are no excuse not to do projects.

That said...

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turning them into a chore


... is going too far. Speak for yourself. My kid is not a chore.

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Maybe you should question it...

There is a huge and well-founded movement that has proven that homework is mostly busy work and has very little impact on student learning. The majority of homework is assigned by teachers following the philosophy that rote memorization and repetition is the best way to teach, and this has been a taboo pedagogy for years.

The other problem is that homework stifles personal growth that could be found in more meaningful pursuits like extra curricular activities, time spent socializing, and, perhaps most importantly, time spent with parents/family.

I think it's tragic that your 5-6 year old has an hour of homework each night. With quality instruction and a well managed elementary classroom, they can learn everything they need to learn in the 6-8 hours a day they spend in the school building.

Here is some reading, if you are interested:

http://www.thestar.com/gta/education/article/302001

(I'm a high school teacher, by the way)

Edited - because it didn't come across right!

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By the time she's in third grade two hours won't be unusual.

My neigbors in middle school (6th, 7th, 8th grade) routinely go to bed after their parents because they're up doing homework. I think they'd be delighted to find themselves with only two hours. And holiday breaks are no excuse not to do projects.


I'm a junior in high school, taking 3 AP level courses, with 2 honors level courses on top of that (the level between regular and AP).

I don't even have this much homework. I regularly have something around half an hour a night. As long as they're working without distractions that could slow them down (Facebook, music, this forum - hey, I'm guilty of it too), having that much homework in middle school just isn't right.
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I guess the system here is vastly different, because half an hour of homework? Weekly assignments? Kindergarten comes close to that, but that's it. My daughter is in first grade and she has, minimum, an hour of homework Mon-Thurs (including timed reading, so it's not like she can get it done faster). In deference to her tender age, she doesn't get homework on weekends, but that will change next year when the real work starts. By the time she's in third grade two hours won't be unusual.

My neigbors in middle school (6th, 7th, 8th grade) routinely go to bed after their parents because they're up doing homework. I think they'd be delighted to find themselves with only two hours. And holiday breaks are no excuse not to do projects.


Smiley: dubious

Does sound like it's vastly different from our system, and, if you don't mind me saying so, highly inefficient as well.

Edit: Maybe it's because of our school structure.

Here, you usually start by sending your kids to a public/private elementary school (age 6 or so), with Kindergarten being grade zero and not mandatory. Then you get 1st to 9th grade which are mandatory and 10th grade which isn't. 10th grade can also be taken on what you'd probably call boarding schools, though it's not a requirement to start on the next tier of education.

Around the age of 16, you start 'gymnasium', 'trade school' or 'technology school' (loose translations), based on your preference and/or 9th/10th grade exam results. Should you fail to pass the 9th/10th grade exam satisfyingly, you can also enter 'craftsman school' (again, loose translation based on the purpose of the school). This school is also available to people who choose to take it. Here you can educate yourself towards various crafts, like bakery, roofing, carpenter, etc.

After that, you can either seek a job, or take further education at universities (doctorates, bachelors, etc.), seminars/academies (police, fireman, nurse, teacher) or multiple independent educations, such as multi-media design (website creation and design), bachelor of commerce, etc.

Still, elementary school is ezmode all the way up to 10th grade (I took all 11 grades, from zero to hero). Stuff doesn't get tough until gymnasium level and even there it's pretty much party all night.

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Teacake your extended LOL'ing is really overkill. Maybe you should question it...


I'm not sure what you're taking exception to (other than my general goofiness, which okay), but in case I was misunderstood, I do not support the homework. I'm mocking it. "Overkill" is a six-year-old who knows what it's like to be nervous for a test. I live in a state not known for its great educational prowess overall, and in an area that combats this by using its children to secure property values. The bottom line for administrators and politicians and, I'm sorry to say, many parents, is that standardized test scores trump all. Even learning. Hence the drilling and the memorization.

I'm focusing on the bad; there are many good things about the education my daughter is getting. I've encountered a lot of excellent teachers and innovative approaches within the set curriculum, and not all the priorities are out of place. Some of the homework is good, some of the projects assigned are fabulous. But this particular issue pisses me off so I tend to get soap boxy (and/or sarcastic, as with the lol's) about it.

Don't even get me started on the assumption of a stay-at-home parent and the extent to which students with parents who can't or won't be more involved in their homework are punished for something completely beyond their control.

Oh, sorry, were we talking about WoW? Smiley: blush


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