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#1 May 16 2010 at 9:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Tradeskills?

Every holiday that requires BGs as part of the achievement inevitably gets a flood of complaints about that aspect, yet no one seems to mind the requirement for rare or high level tradeskill components.

Take Children's Week for example - one of the cakes you needed could only be made as a rare drop from the fishing daily. The cakes didn't fall under 50g each on my server (although the mage royal used in them was by far the worse gouge going for 20g each for a time due to one guy temporarily cornering the market) and they were going for an easy 200g for the first 12 hours, then around 100g for the next 24 until competition drove it down to the 50ish range (and they were selling too).

Or how's about Thanksgiving - that required some pretty hefty cooking skills to complete and I know a lot of players dismiss cooking, even with the utility of fish feasts and what-not?

Personally, at least for things like the cake, I know I'd be outraged having Blizz put my achievement in the hands of someone elses' profit margins due to the rarity of the recipe drop.

Yet not a peep?
#2 May 16 2010 at 9:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Though with the Thanksgiving dailies, they were a very fast way to level cooking from 1 to 300 something cheap.
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#3 May 16 2010 at 10:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well... I say just be happy that there isn't a holiday achievement wanting you to fish up an extremely rare fish at a very specific location while in a high level BG, while wearing items that give you zero defense, while having a cooking fire lit... all along having to have a specific non-combat pet running around from a totally different holiday event that has a 0.1% drop rate from a 25 person raid encounter holiday boss...

...and the boss that drops it had to have been wearing yellow galoshes... which had 0.1% chance of appearing on the boss.

All for a 400% speed LAND mount.


...that could only be used on pathways...

Yeah... that would be sweet.


Wait.... what?
#4 May 16 2010 at 10:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Only the cooking ones ever require a skill to complete, as far as I can remember, and that's only if you do them yourself. And most of the recipes for event-specific achievements (like eggnog) are fairly low level, so you can easily make them with just a small amount of work even if you've never leveled cooking before that. And that's only if you don't want to buy them--nothing about these achievements forces you to do something you hate for a long period of time (and some players DO hate PvP). And honestly, some of those achieves would actually be difficult for someone who doesn't know the BG. Capturing/Returning the flag in particular can be a ***** to do. Especially when the other team has some knockbacks so you always go flying off the EotS ledge. *grumble*

Furthermore, with just a little planning ahead you can get all your items for these events for dirt cheap. It's your own fault if you wait until the first or second day of the event to knock them out.

And some of these events are downright indulgent with the crafting. You mentioned thanksgiving? It was SO EASY to take toons up to 300 cooking using the event. Like, you could get 5 toons there in an hour, easy, and complete most achievements in the process. It didn't require any innate skill to do the event.

There is only one achievement that requires you to use a craft for a world event in a way that isn't accommodate for by easy leveling--Hot Apple Cider for Winter's Veil, which requires 325 cooking. Though, if you consider Thanksgiving (just one month before it) to be a warm up for WV, this still isn't a huge issue. Getting 25 skill levels in cooking at that level is easy. But I'll be willing to say that this is the one achievement for events that is a little harsh, profession wise.

And I'd still prefer profession achievements to ones that have me running to every goddamn town in Azeroth.
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#5 May 16 2010 at 10:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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Complain about it all you want, but when it comes to tradeskills, it's not like you can't buy ahead of the event to save yourself the gold. Also, it's not like the achievements were new this year and it's not like they aren't on display to know what needs to be done. If you don't want to be taken for a ride, get the rarer items before they are in demand. Otherwise, demand is high and so is the price.
#6 May 17 2010 at 3:54 AM Rating: Good
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Though with the Thanksgiving dailies, they were a very fast way to level cooking from 1 to 300 something cheap.


They sure were. Every character I have has a minimum of 300 Cooking Skill, and it cost so little it wasn't even noticeable.
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#7 May 17 2010 at 4:58 AM Rating: Good
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300 skill? Then you hunt turkeys to get up to ... I believe it was 350. It allowed one to completely skip both Vanilla and TBC cooking. So sweet.
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you have to level cooking?

LOL

I had a toon stationned in Dalaran who was barely high enough to start the cooking dailies who had 450 cooking, 450 fishing and 450 Inscription... talk about **** retentive about maxing crafts.

Worst part is, he's now nearly Exalted with Kirin Tor... from cooking dailies. And still not level 70.

sad, I know :(

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#9 May 17 2010 at 8:17 AM Rating: Good
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Take Children's Week for example - one of the cakes you needed could only be made as a rare drop from the fishing daily.

What cake is that?
If you're talking about the Delicious Chocolate Cake recipe, it can drop from both the Shatt and the Dalaran cooking dailies which is where I got it on all of my high level alts. The pain was having to go find the Mageroyal and the Small Eggs that the recipe calls for since the price of those skyrocketed for a while on my server.
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#10 May 17 2010 at 8:31 AM Rating: Excellent
...slight hijack.

Small eggs drop from those dragonhawks in the BE zone- the level 10-ish ones drop one or two eggs per kill most of the time. I spent a lot of time during the holiday events that needed them (cakes, eggnog, etc.) farming them there on my Alliance characters. In an hour I could easily get over ten stacks of them.
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Small eggs drop from those dragonhawks in the BE zone- the level 10-ish ones drop one or two eggs per kill most of the time. I spent a lot of time during the holiday events that needed them (cakes, eggnog, etc.) farming them there on my Alliance characters. In an hour I could easily get over ten stacks of them.


Leveling BE alts during the week of/before an event becomes RIDICULOUSLY profitable. Hell, even near the end of the event they are often still around 20G a stack.
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#12 May 17 2010 at 3:18 PM Rating: Good
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Well... I say just be happy that there isn't a holiday achievement wanting you to fish up an extremely rare fish at a very specific location while in a high level BG, while wearing items that give you zero defense, while having a cooking fire lit... all along having to have a specific non-combat pet running around from a totally different holiday event that has a 0.1% drop rate from a 25 person raid encounter holiday boss...

...and the boss that drops it had to have been wearing yellow galoshes... which had 0.1% chance of appearing on the boss.


Shhh, you'll give them ideas. >_<

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What cake is that?
If you're talking about the Delicious Chocolate Cake recipe, it can drop from both the Shatt and the Dalaran cooking dailies which is where I got it on all of my high level alts. The pain was having to go find the Mageroyal and the Small Eggs that the recipe calls for since the price of those skyrocketed for a while on my server.


Yup - I've got five toons that can do the fishing dailies and two of them still don't have it.

As noted later though, the eggs are (pun intended) cake to get - the BE newby zone out front of Silvermoon is the place to go - I filled a backpack with the eggs the night before it started in about an hour with my mage so I had all the eggs I needed for self, alts, friends and plenty left over for the AH.
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You can also get it as a reward from the Shatt cooking dailies.
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#14 May 17 2010 at 6:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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People are so stupid and lazy during these things. I sold MILK during one of the holidays that had a recipe that required milk (think it was eggnog). I made a fortune on the ah selling milk for 20 x what people could have bought it for from the inn located 20 yards away from the ah.
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People are so stupid and lazy during these things. I sold MILK during one of the holidays that had a recipe that required milk (think it was eggnog). I made a fortune on the ah selling milk for 20 x what people could have bought it for from the inn located 20 yards away from the ah.


You know, I read one of you folks saying that you did just that during Winter Veil (I think it was in the tradeskills forum). And I thought, "No one would ever buy that." So I put a stack of 5 glasses of milk on the AH for 5g just to test it out...

I was wrong.
#16 May 17 2010 at 11:27 PM Rating: Good
I think it's more ignorance than laziness in those particular cases. I know there's several cooking recipes that you can buy from vendors for a few silver, that people regularly put up for several gold or more on the AH (myself included). I haven't always known about these particular vendors, and it made me pretty mad at first when I found out about it, until I realized that I could profit just as much as other people were.

I just don't see people knowingly paying more for an item that's just a few steps away at a vendor. Halfway across the continent, sure. But not just a few steps away.
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#17 May 18 2010 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Chatak wrote:
People are so stupid and lazy during these things. I sold MILK during one of the holidays that had a recipe that required milk (think it was eggnog). I made a fortune on the ah selling milk for 20 x what people could have bought it for from the inn located 20 yards away from the ah.


You know, I read one of you folks saying that you did just that during Winter Veil (I think it was in the tradeskills forum). And I thought, "No one would ever buy that." So I put a stack of 5 glasses of milk on the AH for 5g just to test it out...

I was wrong.


lol, was probably me that wrote it in the forum. I was shocked it was selling. I was putting up hundreds a day. Every time I logged into my banktoon I would just put more up.
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PigtailsOfDoom the Eccentric wrote:
I think it's more ignorance than laziness in those particular cases. I know there's several cooking recipes that you can buy from vendors for a few silver, that people regularly put up for several gold or more on the AH (myself included). I haven't always known about these particular vendors, and it made me pretty mad at first when I found out about it, until I realized that I could profit just as much as other people were.

I just don't see people knowingly paying more for an item that's just a few steps away at a vendor. Halfway across the continent, sure. But not just a few steps away.


There are people like myself who do a few dailies a few times a week and have enough gold for everything they do. So, any extra cash can be used for whatever you want: leveling alts, buying old recipes, etc. If spending 10 gold means I don't have to go to Wowhead to look up whatever drops/sells a recipe, I will probably do it. Sure, if I know the recipe is sold nearby, I'll go there but many people would rather spend the time making the gold than looking up its location.
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#19 May 20 2010 at 6:19 PM Rating: Good
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Just download Akis recipe list. It scans your spell book and will tell you every single recipe you don't have. It also tells you where it is sold/drops, along with the coordinates for the vendors.

That way, you won't be paying a hundred times what it is worth.
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