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The following is what happens at the end of the Lich King Fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD9tFA0covA
Edited, Feb 3rd 2010 9:36pm by Anobix
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I knew that was to happen, but I still don't know who the other guy is? So yea, can someone with better knowledge fill me in on why is looks like a lava monsters and who he is?
It's not a cut to black with a Journey song, /shrug.
Think I am interested to see if they have any RP between the Dragons and him. We had a small resolution to the whole "Varian is a douche" angle with the giving Saurfangs body to his father. Muradin/Jaina/Fordring/Mograine get a piece of the King?
Think I am interested to see if they have any RP between the Dragons and him. We had a small resolution to the whole "Varian is a douche" angle with the giving Saurfangs body to his father. Muradin/Jaina/Fordring/Mograine get a piece of the King?
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Sandinmygum wrote:
I knew that was to happen, but I still don't know who the other guy is? So yea, can someone with better knowledge fill me in on why is looks like a lava monsters and who he is?
The ghost was King Terenas Menethil (Arthas's Father), who Arthas slew with Frostmourne in WC3 after becoming a Death Knight, but before he became the Lich King. The lava guy was Bolvar Fordragon, the guy in the Wrathgate Cinema who dies and is burned by the dragon flame when they purge the area of The Blight.
Edited, Feb 1st 2010 8:06pm by Zariamnk
I am not looking forward to college tomorrow. My classmate has declared his love for Arthas clearly enough on MSN already and I'm just gonna end up being mean to him again because he can't play his class. And this will invariably lead to discussions tomorrow.
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Pretty lame, to be honest. Hopefully there's a lot more than just the cinematic.
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I think I might have preferred that.
Edited, Feb 1st 2010 8:19pm by RPZip
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It's not a cut to black with a Journey song, /shrug.
I think I might have preferred that.
Edited, Feb 1st 2010 8:19pm by RPZip
Zariamnk wrote:
Sandinmygum wrote:
I knew that was to happen, but I still don't know who the other guy is? So yea, can someone with better knowledge fill me in on why is looks like a lava monsters and who he is?
The ghost was King Terenas Menethil (Arthas's Father), who Arthas slew with Frostmourne in WC3 after becoming a Death Knight, but before he became the Lich King. The lava guy was Bolvar Fordragon, the guy in the Wrathgate Cinema who dies and is burned by the dragon flame when they purge the area of The Blight.
Edited, Feb 1st 2010 8:06pm by Zariamnk
I know who the Ghost was, just couldn't link the who Bolvar is. I kind of remember this in Wrathgate, he was the Human who lead them down into the fight?. I assume Wrathgate's Cinema is the same for both sides (ive only seen Horde side)?
Would have been better if it cut to all your raid dancing in either Elwynn Forest or Mulgore to this music afterwards.
Sandinmygum wrote:
I know who the Ghost was, just couldn't link the who Bolvar is. I kind of remember this in Wrathgate, he was the Human who lead them down into the fight?. I assume Wrathgate's Cinema is the same for both sides (ive only seen Horde side)?
Yes. He was also the leader of Stormwind in Varian's absence. He was a great hero and someone our side was proud to call our leader.
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They really screwed up how Bolvar looks, they make his nostrils glow but not his mouth... And who knew Arthas' father was Mufasa?
They'll rape us to death, eat our flesh and sew our skins into their clothing. And if we're very, very lucky... They'll do it in that order.
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Would have been better if it cut to all your raid dancing in either Elwynn Forest or Mulgore to this music afterwards.
I'd much prefer this scene replayed in WoW style!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSZB0NjRqzc
Honestly, we get our Dark Knight ending. Fordring plays the Commissioner Gordon to Bolvars Batman, with gravelly "I am wearing a mask" voice from Bolvar once he gets the helm. Still we need to see the RP, because Arthas death has been a long time coming, for those of us that watched Terenas and Uther die in 2002 and the Lich King become who he is in 2004 etc he has been the Big Bad, despite Blizzard doing their best to dispel the idea that "Arthas is the final boss". The death in the scene is hardly cathartic, so the hope is we get some RP beforehand that makes it more so.
So Meh until Further Notice.
So Meh until Further Notice.
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Bodhi, I think the Lich King's voice style was determined some time before Christian Bale signed up for his Batman role.
Ending is still a little meh, but only because Arthas has been a main character since Warcraft 3 and having him just die like that is a little weak. I guess part of me hoped he'd come back so Jaina could finally give up her whining every time there's a cutscene with her. I guess this way also works.
Could've used some more explosions, though.
Ending is still a little meh, but only because Arthas has been a main character since Warcraft 3 and having him just die like that is a little weak. I guess part of me hoped he'd come back so Jaina could finally give up her whining every time there's a cutscene with her. I guess this way also works.
Could've used some more explosions, though.
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Datamined voice files
Nothing from Varian or Thrall.
Edited, Feb 2nd 2010 12:34pm by arthoriuss
Datamined voice files
Nothing from Varian or Thrall.
Edited, Feb 2nd 2010 12:34pm by arthoriuss
I'm sure I'm being thick because I don't know the lore like you guys do, but I don't get it. This looks like we're trading one Lich King for another? So what changes? Shouldn't they be casting that helmet into the fires of Mount Doom or something?
teacake wrote:
I'm sure I'm being thick because I don't know the lore like you guys do, but I don't get it. This looks like we're trading one Lich King for another? So what changes? Shouldn't they be casting that helmet into the fires of Mount Doom or something?
The Scourge is still present, even without the Lich King. Arthas has been holding back their rampage and now they need someone else to take up that role, someone with a stronger will.
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Arthas has been holding back their rampage
Awww, how tragic. Thanks for the answer.
I personally like it.
I had hoped we'd get some kind of "redemption" out of Arthas, because the story in WCIII was that he went kinda insane, but never became a death knight until Frostmourne stole his soul (and with it his ability to feel anything.
I think Terenas' part was well-chosen, too. Arthas became "King" after he returned to Lordaeron and claimed the throne following his father's assasination. So it was a nice touch to have someone from his old life be there in his final moments, in a way that Jaina couldn't.
You do have to wonder why Jaina and Sylvanas didn't insist on being part of the final assault, though.
As for Bolvar, this just gives them another plot option. I have been wondering since they first announced the expac what would happen to the Scourge after it. I mean, they can't all join the Forsaken, for instance. Especially now that the Forsaken are going to have something of an identity crisis. And it isn't like each entity directly drew their life from the LK, so killing him wouldn't destroy them.
This just means that we now have a fitting end for an old Alliance Hero, as well as a further plot point, since most of WoW's villains are corrupted good-guys.
Now if only today wasn't maintenance day. I REALLY want to get my Mage to 80 now, but I have 8 levels to go. I am hoping I'll be able to start raiding in 10 mans with him. My connection and PC are too weak for me to be confident tanking. With luck, I can actually see the full event in game... DAMN YOU THREE AND A HALF HOUR BREAK BETWEEN CLASSES ON TUESDAY!
I had hoped we'd get some kind of "redemption" out of Arthas, because the story in WCIII was that he went kinda insane, but never became a death knight until Frostmourne stole his soul (and with it his ability to feel anything.
I think Terenas' part was well-chosen, too. Arthas became "King" after he returned to Lordaeron and claimed the throne following his father's assasination. So it was a nice touch to have someone from his old life be there in his final moments, in a way that Jaina couldn't.
You do have to wonder why Jaina and Sylvanas didn't insist on being part of the final assault, though.
As for Bolvar, this just gives them another plot option. I have been wondering since they first announced the expac what would happen to the Scourge after it. I mean, they can't all join the Forsaken, for instance. Especially now that the Forsaken are going to have something of an identity crisis. And it isn't like each entity directly drew their life from the LK, so killing him wouldn't destroy them.
This just means that we now have a fitting end for an old Alliance Hero, as well as a further plot point, since most of WoW's villains are corrupted good-guys.
Now if only today wasn't maintenance day. I REALLY want to get my Mage to 80 now, but I have 8 levels to go. I am hoping I'll be able to start raiding in 10 mans with him. My connection and PC are too weak for me to be confident tanking. With luck, I can actually see the full event in game... DAMN YOU THREE AND A HALF HOUR BREAK BETWEEN CLASSES ON TUESDAY!
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Need to ask, when Terenas says that "there must always be a Lich King," and people on here say "Arthas was the only thing holding the Scourge back from going on a rampage"... are we separating Arthas and the Lich King? As in, the Lich King was trying to destroy the world, but the spirit of Arthas inside him was slowing it down? 'Cause if building huge armies of undead to systematically crush the free people of the world is NOT as bad as a rampage, then how could a willy-nilly assault be worse?The only answer I can get is that a little bit of Arthas was somehow hamstringing the Lich King and keeping him from either making even more Scourge or letting them all loose at once. Somehow.
It seems really unexplained.
It seems really unexplained.
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Need to ask, when Terenas says that "there must always be a Lich King," and people on here say "Arthas was the only thing holding the Scourge back from going on a rampage"... are we separating Arthas and the Lich King? As in, the Lich King was trying to destroy the world, but the spirit of Arthas inside him was slowing it down? 'Cause if building huge armies of undead to systematically crush the free people of the world is NOT as bad as a rampage, then how could a willy-nilly assault be worse?The only answer I can get is that a little bit of Arthas was somehow hamstringing the Lich King and keeping him from either making even more Scourge or letting them all loose at once. Somehow.
It seems really unexplained.
It seems really unexplained.
From what I understand, the Lich King isn't just Arthas, it was also part of Ner'zhul. When Ner'zhul was turned into the Lich King, he was given very specific instructions from Kil'Jaedan to take Azeroth out. At heart, Arthas was trying to save Lordearon, but of course once he got control of Frostmourne (Or vice-versa, depending on your point of view), that just went way downhill. So, when Arthas put the helmet on, there was a fusion of both the souls of Ner'zhul and the souls of Arthas. For the most part, given the sheer manpower, for lack of better words, that the Scourge has, if you compare it to what the Horde and Alliance has, Arthas was holding them back. All that ultimately happened was an assault on an already corrupted area and the decimation of a Scarlet stronghold (Let's not forget these people were ultimately being led by a pair of Dreadlords, who had their own agenda).
In the confrontations you see throughout the game, it's almost as if Arthas is begging to be put out of his misery (Light's Hope Chapel, showing up at the Tournament).
While I think it works well, and sets up a decent reason for a change in the Plaguelands come Cataclysm, I still have a question:
Mal'Ganis. Ok, so, he's running the Scarlet Onslaught....and....that's it? I mean, there's something pretty sinister going on here, with Variamathas speaking of a new master (who's probably going to end up being Sargeras), and Mal'Ganis being shown to survive the previous encounter with Arthas in Northrend. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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The Scourge unrestrained would sweep across the world destorying everything in its path. I think Arthas, and now Bolvar, has been holding the Scourge back, directing it with a human mind. There has always been the tiniest bit of humanity left in him.
I dont see Bolvar becoming a future villain, because he again would need replaced and we cant keep sending Azeroth's greatest heroes to take their place on the Frozen Throne.
Not gonna black it out... if someone has read this far down the page and doesnt want spoilers, they are retarded.
I dont see Bolvar becoming a future villain, because he again would need replaced and we cant keep sending Azeroth's greatest heroes to take their place on the Frozen Throne.
Not gonna black it out... if someone has read this far down the page and doesnt want spoilers, they are retarded.
They'll rape us to death, eat our flesh and sew our skins into their clothing. And if we're very, very lucky... They'll do it in that order.
EbanySalamonderiel wrote:
The Scourge unrestrained would sweep across the world destorying everything in its path.
Then why in the name of all plot holes, was the Lich King created in the first place? Why not just make the Scourge, and let them wipe out the world? Kinda seems like the concept of a Lich King, which could have a critical flaw like that, would be counterproductive to the original idea of the Scourge: to sweep across the world destroying everything in its path.
I mean, sure, you could say "Well, they didn't KNOW Arthas was gonna merge..." But if the Scourge without a controller is more effective than with one, what difference would it make?
Sorry, I'm just complaining now, I realize it's a big plot hole, but it's what we get :-P
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Well, if you remember correctly, the Scourge kind-of WAS sweeping the world and destroying everything in a giant rampage to prepare for the demonic invasion. You can see that in several CS's in WC3. Same with the Lich King forcing Sylvanas to help destroy an entire human town. I think Arthas merging with the Lich King actually made him a "weaker" bad guy.
I still really wanna know what' up with Ner'Zhul though ; ;
I still really wanna know what' up with Ner'Zhul though ; ;
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EbanySalamonderiel wrote:
The Scourge unrestrained would sweep across the world destorying everything in its path.
Then why in the name of all plot holes, was the Lich King created in the first place? Why not just make the Scourge, and let them wipe out the world? Kinda seems like the concept of a Lich King, which could have a critical flaw like that, would be counterproductive to the original idea of the Scourge: to sweep across the world destroying everything in its path.
I mean, sure, you could say "Well, they didn't KNOW Arthas was gonna merge..." But if the Scourge without a controller is more effective than with one, what difference would it make?
Sorry, I'm just complaining now, I realize it's a big plot hole, but it's what we get :-P
It's not really a plot hole; sure, the scourge could run wild over Azeroth, but with a leader, they'd be much more organized and capable of winning in years instead of decades.
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Because the Lich King was supposed to be the leader of the Scourge legion- basically without him, they were aimless zombies. With him, they could be used tactically and much more lethally. Look, for example, at the zombies wandering around aimlessly in most places. The idea that Sageras had for the Lich King was that he would be able to use a "hive mind" to control and direct the forces of the undead.
As it was, Ner'Zhul thought that by merging, he could become stronger and possibly break free of the control of the Burning Legion to become his own master. I doubt he expected that Arthas would retain some of his goodness and hinder the Lich King's progress.
As it was, Ner'Zhul thought that by merging, he could become stronger and possibly break free of the control of the Burning Legion to become his own master. I doubt he expected that Arthas would retain some of his goodness and hinder the Lich King's progress.
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