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#27 Jan 24 2010 at 7:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Honestly, as DPS I don't care how high my health is. If I die, 95% of the time its my own fault.
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#28 Jan 24 2010 at 7:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Honestly, as DPS I don't care how high my health is. If I die, 95% of the time its my own fault.


I like your honesty.
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#29 Jan 24 2010 at 10:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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Honestly there are a number of things someone ought to have for a raid - water, potions, flasks/elixirs, etc.- but the thing that bugs me the most is when we wipe or someone dies early on in the raid, and they say "my gear is red - gotta go repair". I can never understand some people don't just repair up real quick before a run >.<
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#30 Jan 24 2010 at 11:47 AM Rating: Decent
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My priest can easily run most heroics without using any drink. I do start to get low on mana I have two CD's to help get it back (shadow fiend being a really good one). I do always make sure I have water though in any case.
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I always keep 60 water on me (overkill), and use Reagent Counter to auto restock at the vendor. There is no excuse for any mana user not bringing what he needs, especially the healer.

I throw warlocks a renew when they lifetap. I just wish they would do it more often, or as part of their regular rotation. I've seen a few that go to the brink of death trying to recover their entire mana bar.

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#32 Jan 24 2010 at 2:34 PM Rating: Good
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Roll a Druid and problem solved.

I have some pretty stale water on mine. Haven't used it since, well, ever. Seriously, with 450 mp5 and being able to utilize the 5SR in heroics, who needs it?
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#33 Jan 24 2010 at 9:36 PM Rating: Decent
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When I'm on my mage, I'll throw down a table for each group that I get into. Yes, it requires dust each and every time, but at least I know that the offer is there for everyone to have strudels and there is no excuses for not being able to eat/drink during pulls. I also carry health & mana pots on this character as well, just in case. When on my holy priest, I pray at each run that a mage will be there so I can grab a stack or 2 of strudels. But, in case there isn't one I always have a few stacks of basic food and water. At the end of the day, I always go and restock up on both characters any reagents/food/water that have been used. It's not hard to do, I dont see why others can't as well. As for not repairing, there is NO excuse - even if you were pulled into a run mid-farming, you will be transported back to that zone after the run and there is always a vendor/repair in the zone that should be your first stop.
#34 Jan 25 2010 at 1:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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Can't you just use the "Teleport Out of Dungeon" button, grab some, and then use the "Teleport Back into Dungeon" button to get back in? I could have sworn someone in a run I was in did that once when he realized he'd forgotten to repair.
#35 Jan 25 2010 at 4:19 AM Rating: Good
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I read about half the posts before hitting the reply button.

Saying "Bring Water" should be unnecessary. Every proper player does this. This is just a case of players who can't play. If they don't bring water (being a mana class of course), odds are they don't know how to play properly either. On my lock I carry buff food and cooked water/food combined. That is two stacks which I resupply every time in Dalaran. That is two slots out of approximately 96-104 slots. It's not gonna ruin your bagspace. Although most often I just use lifetap to regain mana. If healer is low on mana, I would not use that strategy of course. Drink when the healer drinks if that is the case.

My druid healer rarely runs out of many, so I don't mind rejuvenating the lifetapping lock between fights, but on my shammie (which is not great geared) I tend to run out every once in a while. A little whisper is all that it takes to notify the lock to drink/eat instead.

OP, I understand that you need to vent, and the khazam crowd are understanding. But to us, you are just stating the obvious.
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#36 Jan 25 2010 at 4:32 AM Rating: Default
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How awsom are mages! Free water!

Just like I will put up a magetable every run I do, you can asume ppl will take care of their own supply of water/food.

Edited, Jan 25th 2010 5:56am by noalala
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#37 Jan 25 2010 at 1:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm surprised how many Warlocks use their highest rank Life Tap when they are full/near full on mana, just because of the glyph. Rank 1 gets you the same buff...
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With over 2% HP5 from fel armor and health returns from incinerate the only time im going to tap myself below 50% is after a large AoE pull, and if i do i'll use a bandage out of habit. Most of the time healers tend to throw me a HoT anyway, i especially love paladins who throw me a quick Flash of Light when ive tapped once and overheal me for about 11k.

PS: Enjoy your replenishment.
#39 Jan 26 2010 at 4:54 AM Rating: Good
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I'm surprised how many Warlocks use their highest rank Life Tap when they are full/near full on mana, just because of the glyph. Rank 1 gets you the same buff...


I couldn't agree more. I have both spells available, as should all locks. Also, I don't demand a heal when lifetapping to full mana. I may well bandage or eat. But usually I get a HoT my way, which I appreciate.

On my healers, I don't mind throwing a heal for this replensishment. But the lock should take a quick look at the healers mana, and put that in context with the surrounding pulls, before expecting a heal.
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#40 Jan 26 2010 at 5:53 AM Rating: Good
Warlocks also have the luxury of DoTing up their targets, life tapping, then doing a drain life. If a Warlock is life tapping, in my opinion it's their responsibility to regen their own health. As has already been mentioned, my warlock has herbalism, so she can heal herself after a life tap.

Edit: Random brainfart- I never thought to use rank 1 life tap myself, thanks for that... although it will be redundant in Cataclysm, it will come in handy!


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#41 Jan 26 2010 at 6:15 AM Rating: Decent
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We had a paladin healer the other day in my random LFG group that had no water, food, or anything else ready for the instance... that was actually the first time I had run into that and I found it incredibly rude and annoying. Please be prepared for your group when you join the queue and don't waste other people's time. This sort of goes along with why guilds post a list of crap you should always bring to raids etc, to be a productive member.
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#42 Jan 26 2010 at 8:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't play a mage, but I'm always shocked at the demands for a table. Not requests, but demands. And they're often so rude about it! Strudel supplies the same amount of mana as Honeymint Tea. There's no reason anyone needs it except that they don't have their own drinks, and/or are too cheap to use their own drinks. But they feel completely entitled to expect the mage to pay for/stock/carry reagents to compensate for their lack of preparedness.

I haven't played with a ton of locks, but I guess I've always been lucky. None have ever demanded (or even asked, that I recall) that I heal them, and have always thanked me when I do.

Edited, Jan 26th 2010 9:29am by teacake
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I don't play a mage, but I'm always shocked at the demands for a table. Not requests, but demands. And they're often so rude about it! Strudel supplies the same amount of mana as Honeymint Tea. There's no reason anyone needs it except that they don't have their own drinks, and/or are too cheap to use their own drinks. But they feel completely entitled to expect the mage to pay for/stock/carry reagents to compensate for their lack of preparedness.

Would you extend this arguement to support paladins who would prefer to use lesser blessings over greater blessings, as they are reagent free? While I wouldn't defend those who ask for a table rudely, I do think that if you can assist the group in some way it is generally polite to do so. It has also been my experience that dropping a mage table is just part of the pre-instance ritual. Mages drop tables, warlocks drop health stones, everyone casts their buffs, and maybe someone even drops a feast.
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I don't play a mage, but I'm always shocked at the demands for a table. Not requests, but demands. And they're often so rude about it! Strudel supplies the same amount of mana as Honeymint Tea. There's no reason anyone needs it except that they don't have their own drinks, and/or are too cheap to use their own drinks. But they feel completely entitled to expect the mage to pay for/stock/carry reagents to compensate for their lack of preparedness.

Would you extend this arguement to support paladins who would prefer to use lesser blessings over greater blessings, as they are reagent free? While I wouldn't defend those who ask for a table rudely, I do think that if you can assist the group in some way it is generally polite to do so. It has also been my experience that dropping a mage table is just part of the pre-instance ritual. Mages drop tables, warlocks drop health stones, everyone casts their buffs, and maybe someone even drops a feast.


I see your point. I really never thought of it as a buff. I can't bring my own Blessing of Wisdom in my bag, but I can and should carry my own water. But as I said, I don't play a mage. If you mages don't think of it any differently than I think of carrying candles for Prayer of Fort, then I stand corrected.

But people should still spell correctly and say "please." Smiley: nod
#45 Jan 26 2010 at 9:07 AM Rating: Good
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I got a whisper last night from a lvl 43 shaman that I ran past on the way to SW ... "Water". I replied, "Pardon me?". "Can I have some water?". I was on my lvl 7 priest. Smiley: oyvey
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#46 Jan 26 2010 at 9:14 AM Rating: Good
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[quote=PageCCCXII see your point. I really never thought of it as a buff. I can't bring my own Blessing of Wisdom in my bag, but I can and should carry my own water. But as I said, I don't play a mage. If you mages don't think of it any differently than I think of carrying candles for Prayer of Fort, then I stand corrected.


Aeth needs to learn how to play his priest. Smiley: tongue

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#47 Jan 26 2010 at 9:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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My warlock drops a soulwell on entering the dungeon, i figure it's the polite thing to do. Doesn't mean I believe every mage has to place a table, it's nice if they do and my healer toons do enjoy free strudel, but it's not something that's mandatory. Warlock also doesn't expect to be healed up after a lifetap, but of course appreciates the gesture ;)

What really annoys me is people who automatically expect to be healed and don't even seem to think about eating or bandaging. My shammy who went from 74 to 77 last weekend mainly by healing in random dungeons got landed with a group that was a bit impatient and bit off too much in Drak Tharon. For some reason my shammy was the last of us to arrive back at the point where we would pick up the fight (probably me answering to somebody in chat, that tends to make me stop running ;)). As I arrive the paladin tank, the rogue and the DK are still standing up and are somewhere between 25 - 40% of their hitpoints. As they were impatient before I figured I'd best make sure my mana is topped up and sit down to eat and drink. As I'm finished all three of them are still standing there, apparently waiting for something... I'll admit that in a "nice" group I'd have probably just thrown them a chainheal, but.... not a nice group, so I decided to be "mean" and not do anything.

A while later the rogue (probably at 60% life now) asks if we can go on, and the pally tank (~50% life now) goes "if somebody heals me". Another pet peeve of mine: German language server, German sentence, but he used the "heals" word which tends to grate on my nerves whoever says it, it's not shorter than the German word and mostly people use it as a sort of coolness indicator (don't get me started on stupid English character names ;))

Shammy snapped and told him if the meat he can buy at the inn is too expensive to be used so's my mana and left them to look for a new healer.

I don't mind healing people in groups, but this is a bit too much entitlement thinking from people who've done nothing to make me even remotely enjoy playing with them.
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I tank on a druid and if the healer is lagging after a wipe, I'll just heal everyone up myself, and occasionally throw an enervate on the healer (if I'm feeling impatient).

On my mage, I will almost always remember to put down a table the first instance I run (I need strudel too), but after that, I will very often forget. I really don't mind being asked. If you've got a mage in the group with no strudel and it's not one of these hyper-speed groups, ask for a table, he probably just forgot.
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Another pet peeve of mine: German language server, German sentence, but he used the "heals" word which tends to grate on my nerves whoever says it, it's not shorter than the German word and mostly people use it as a sort of coolness indicator (don't get me started on stupid English character names ;))



I really enjoy English language servers in general more. I actually get annoyed more by trying to figure out the meaning of German words (like, what is this Zauberflut you keep going on about? Oh, it's Spellsurge? Call it Spellsurge then, I can't understand your silly enchant names!) or I want to say something and don't know it in German (Like, what is Smite? I actually looked it up on wowhead and it just sounds so strange). And I am German, I just never liked our localisation of the game much. I realise that healen and such are just silly but some people (such as myself) are used to them from playing on English localised servers in older MMOs, and really if they just say "Heal!" that is shorter than anything you'd really want to say in German. Smiley: wink2


I also use "stupid English character names" no matter what the server language is, but then I'm practically British anyway. Names that I cannot stand are abbreviations such as my ex's hunter "Dkz" (meaning "Deutscher Kampfzwerg").[:redmadfaceemoticon:]


Also, the cultural diversity on enGB servers is win!
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I really enjoy English language servers in general more. I actually get annoyed more by trying to figure out the meaning of German words (like, what is this Zauberflut you keep going on about? Oh, it's Spellsurge? Call it Spellsurge then, I can't understand your silly enchant names!) or I want to say something and don't know it in German (Like, what is Smite? I actually looked it up on wowhead and it just sounds so strange). And I am German, I just never liked our localisation of the game much. I realise that healen and such are just silly but some people (such as myself) are used to them from playing on English localised servers in older MMOs, and really if they just say "Heal!" that is shorter than anything you'd really want to say in German. Smiley: wink2


I also use "stupid English character names" no matter what the server language is, but then I'm practically British anyway. Names that I cannot stand are abbreviations such as my ex's hunter "Dkz" (meaning "Deutscher Kampfzwerg").[:


Don't get me wrong, if you're using the English names for things I can see why you're doing it, but to use stuff like "heals" in an otherwise German sentence is just stupid (like "wenn mich einer healt", it's just eyewatering to see English words getting twisted into German verb forms). I started playing after the localisation so I'm just used to the German game version, and I do agree things like Ironforge sound more... fitting than Eisenschmiede and such.

And stupid English charnames are those that try to use English but end up being complete balderdash, have typos in them or apparently say something that wasn't quite as cool as intended. Nothing wrong with English names, but if you can't do it right don't do it ;)
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Don't get me wrong, if you're using the English names for things I can see why you're doing it, but to use stuff like "heals" in an otherwise German sentence is just stupid (like "wenn mich einer healt", it's just eyewatering to see English words getting twisted into German verb forms). I started playing after the localisation so I'm just used to the German game version, and I do agree things like Ironforge sound more... fitting than Eisenschmiede and such.


Yeah, when I first started playing, I was introduced to the game by someone who'd played since Beta and he made me get all sorts of addons and the English localisation from the start. I actually just looked through the German names for a few spells, and I just think "Kettenheilung" and "Göttliche Pein" sound really horrible. I've done translating, even for videogames, I know how hard it is, and I doubt I could come up with better names but as is true for most things, the original language does it better imo.
Also, obligatory comment on how you should play on Kazzak because we can always use more people for our guild (i.e. people who can spell and play) and we even talk in German in /g occasionally!

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Ah, those. I think you get those anywhere on the Internet really, though. My English char names are of course always carried out flawlessly and truly stylish.
Unfortunately, Germany is one of those countries where everyone tries to do stuff in English without knowing enough English to do it right and then you end up with Handy's (note the apostrophe!) and Corny cereal bars and Bodybag backpacks. And "Camille tea"! Just be amused about it rather than annoyed, it makes life easier.
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