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#1 Jan 23 2010 at 2:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Okay, I don't care how leet you think you are or what spec you usually play. If you have any intention whatsoever of healing BRING YOUR OWN DANG WATER! I am sick of sitting there staring at the wall because you decided that you were too good to bring the most absolute basic commodity for every mana user in the game. In addition, I absolutely refuse to pull a notoriously hard hitting boss/5 mob pull when you have 2k mana. If you didn't notice each of your little healing spells require something called mana. When that blue bar gets near zero it becomes increasingly more difficult to use those healing spells.


Sincerely,

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(who even on his druid tank brings at least one stack of water)
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#2 Jan 23 2010 at 2:39 PM Rating: Good
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DPS: You guys need to bring water, too. If I have one more Warlock ask me, the healer, "can i haz water plzz?" I will DI the tank and leave you to be munched on by dire bunnies.
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#3 Jan 23 2010 at 2:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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I ran out of mana once without having water. It made me feel quite stupid.

On the other hand, I've bought half a stack of water of each bracket for the last three level brackets and sold half of it in the end because I just don't use it. I still bring some just in case but this does feel incredibly stupid.
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True story. Went into LFD on my baby Priest, ended up in RFK. Groups healer had apparently abandoned in mid-fight. I arrive, full of p*ss and vinegar, and the first thing out of anyone's chat, is " Do u haz any water?"....I rez the dead folks, bow politely, and make my merry way the hell out the there.


I consider it bad form not to come supplied with at least basic essentials, water, food, etc. It isn't rocket science, and it is not hard to buy a few stacks before you gallivant into an instance. Just my humble opinion.
#5 Jan 23 2010 at 3:25 PM Rating: Good
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I don't mind so much when they ran out of water. I mean we all forget. What really drives me nuts are the people who proudly proclaim they never have mana. As if saying "I'm a ret paladin so I never have water." Its just foolish. One stack of Pungent Seal Whey is cheap takes up one slot and shaves off a whole heck of a lot of time when you hit OOM.

But its even worse when someone decides to heal heroics and proudly explains that they usually play such and such so they have no water...what? The guy had 16k mana (As a paladin in H. ToC...ouch...after buffs). We just sat there...staring at him waiting for his mana to go up before we pulled Paletress...everyone but me ended up dying. We survived only because I was dispelling and keeping others alive and then seal and judged light for the last 50k hp of paletress.


I understand running out of water. It happens...but intentionally not bringing any as a mana user ESP. a healer is beyond rude to the rest of your party staring at your mana bar.
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#6 Jan 23 2010 at 3:39 PM Rating: Good
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I try to bring waters with me, my experiences have always been, tanks who won't let me drink it.

I get down to 45-50% and I go to drink and it is "You are in combat." Argh.

We kill that group, I'm at 35% or so, "You are in combat."

........

Next group, I'm at 15% and every now and then I see my highest-cost abilities grey out and I'm like "Um, guys?"

"You are in combat."

.....

So at this point, I'm like "If I die, because I ran out of mana, I'm leaving."

What good is water when nobody has time to drink it?
#7 Jan 23 2010 at 3:43 PM Rating: Good
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On my DK, I always have health food. Sure, I may only use it once every 3 weeks. But I still have it just in case.
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Zariamnk wrote:
I try to bring waters with me, my experiences have always been, tanks who won't let me drink it.
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What good is water when nobody has time to drink it?


Try saying "mana break" and generally tanks will stop. Communication is the key here.
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#9 Jan 23 2010 at 3:54 PM Rating: Good
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Leodis wrote:
Zariamnk wrote:
I try to bring waters with me, my experiences have always been, tanks who won't let me drink it.
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What good is water when nobody has time to drink it?


Try saying "mana break" and generally tanks will stop. Communication is the key here.


I did. He kept pulling saying "you're fine".

This is what, only like the 5th instance I ever healed? *shrugs* I figure, if people die, I will rub it in their faces and say "I asked to get some mana, but...."

We came *really* close a couple times, ending fights with peeps at 30% health or less because I only had enough to cast lesser healing waves lol.
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Zariamnk wrote:
Leodis wrote:
Zariamnk wrote:
I try to bring waters with me, my experiences have always been, tanks who won't let me drink it.
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What good is water when nobody has time to drink it?


Try saying "mana break" and generally tanks will stop. Communication is the key here.


I did. He kept pulling saying "you're fine".

This is what, only like the 5th instance I ever healed? *shrugs* I figure, if people die, I will rub it in their faces and say "I asked to get some mana, but...."

We came *really* close a couple times, ending fights with peeps at 30% health or less because I only had enough to cast lesser healing waves lol.



95% of the time I have level appropriate mana potions with me, as well. Faster than drinks and usually sustain me.

If you have any tank at all, gearing for spirit/mp5 might be a better option than intellect/spellpower, as well. By level 30 or so, you should be able to virtually never rest at all unless you're trying to top DPS meters on the side. Smiley: grin

I just re-specced yesterday to a spec that should be more mana efficient even in SP/Int gear, haven't tried it in an instance yet, though. If it isn't I might have to drink more but that should not be the case.
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#11 Jan 23 2010 at 4:29 PM Rating: Good
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Can't say ive intentionally carried water on my main(warlock) since i was about level 50, never needed it.
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isyris wrote:
DPS: You guys need to bring water, too. If I have one more Warlock ask me, the healer, "can i haz water plzz?" I will DI the tank and leave you to be munched on by dire bunnies.


What the hell would a Warlock need water for?

L-L-L-L-Lifetap!
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#13 Jan 23 2010 at 5:02 PM Rating: Good
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My instance running characters are...

A Rogue(no mana), A Paladin(never runs out of mana), A Mage(brings her own water), A DK(no mana), and a Warlock(Never runs out of mana).
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#14 Jan 23 2010 at 5:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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On my DK, I always have health food. Sure, I may only use it once every 3 weeks. But I still have it just in case.


this, kind of. I find my self using food more often with bad Healers.
And also HP pots...geeze. Do I use HP Pots a lot...
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That is one of the things I enjoy about playing on my shaman. If for some odd reason I am having mana problems and the tank will ignore my request for mana I will let him learn the hard way. Most of the time they learn after that.... most of the time. There are always tanks that have this "holier than thou" attitude which makes me mess with them on the easier heroics. I can easily keep a plate wearing dps up if the tank should happen to die due to the healer getting "lag". :D
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My holy paladin hasn't drank water in like 3 months. I haven't been bringing it anymore. You pretty much can't run out if you're geared...

Divine plea and in 10 seconds that and mp/5 has me from 0 to over half.

Which unless you die, on a holy paladin if you're below half mp at any point, you're doing something wrong. I don't think I've run out and had to drink since the first week or two my paladin hit 80. Thats why I stopped stocking water.

My warlock doesn't carry water. My warlock carries food. Thus I lifetap, lifetap > rest for hp if no one heals.





Edited, Jan 23rd 2010 8:14pm by Karthal
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#17 Jan 23 2010 at 9:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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RPZip wrote:
isyris wrote:
DPS: You guys need to bring water, too. If I have one more Warlock ask me, the healer, "can i haz water plzz?" I will DI the tank and leave you to be munched on by dire bunnies.


What the hell would a Warlock need water for?

L-L-L-L-Lifetap!


Warlock: *lifetaps down to nothing* Okay, heal me now!
Me: *just finished drinking* *cries*

I think I actually prefer them begging for water than insisting that it's my job to heal them in between pulls. >.<

Edited, Jan 23rd 2010 7:25pm by isyris
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The irony is that as an arcane mage, I rarely dip below 75% mana (700 mp5 helps of course) and I can summon all the water I want. :lol:

As for locks not bringing water, peh, if there's a healer in the group then they don't need water - just eat their hand and then let the healer regrow it for 'em. ;-)

But yeah, basic necessities are a must - my druid is feral and even he has a stack of water on him just in case (although more often then not, lazy druid just innervates himself if he goes OOM after being stuck on rez duty).
#19 Jan 23 2010 at 10:39 PM Rating: Good
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Leodis wrote:
Zariamnk wrote:
I try to bring waters with me, my experiences have always been, tanks who won't let me drink it.
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What good is water when nobody has time to drink it?


Try saying "mana break" and generally tanks will stop. Communication is the key here.


When I'm tanking I announce at the beginning that as long as I see the healer has mana I'm going to be pulling and that if at any point I'm going too quickly just hollar and I'll slow down.
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#20 Jan 24 2010 at 2:38 AM Rating: Good
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Oddly I was healing a group in Ramparts when the hunter said they had to go and get more water. I said "you're a hunter, just use viper" and he replied, rather haughtily, "I'm here to do damage, not mooch mana off mobs" and went off to get water. It made no sense to me at the time but on reflection he must have thought I meant Viper Sting rather than AotV Smiley: rolleyes

One reason for this problem about water is the nature of the LFG tool now. I've seen posts here talking about questing while you wait. Well if you're out in the field and queuing then you can't buy water from the mobs, you port straight to the dungeon, then back to the mobs when you're done. I think certain lazy people have learned that they can scrounge enough water to stop them having to interrupt their precious playing time.
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#21 Jan 24 2010 at 3:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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isyris wrote:
RPZip wrote:
isyris wrote:
DPS: You guys need to bring water, too. If I have one more Warlock ask me, the healer, "can i haz water plzz?" I will DI the tank and leave you to be munched on by dire bunnies.


What the hell would a Warlock need water for?

L-L-L-L-Lifetap!


Warlock: *lifetaps down to nothing* Okay, heal me now!
Me: *just finished drinking* *cries*

I think I actually prefer them begging for water than insisting that it's my job to heal them in between pulls. >.<


Same here. If the healer has to drink to recover mana after a fight, it's just rude for a warlock to lifetap and demand healing.
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Try saying "mana break" and generally tanks will stop. Communication is the key here.


i did this in wc with a druid tank that chain pulled with my healer on 0 mana with me and the mage yelling at him to stop i really hate stuiped tanks -.-
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isyris wrote:
Warlock: *lifetaps down to nothing* Okay, heal me now!
Me: *just finished drinking* *cries*

I think I actually prefer them begging for water than insisting that it's my job to heal them in between pulls. >.<


I feel your pain. Locks tapping without asking is right up there with people expecting to get rezzed after a wipe without asking.

I have absolutely no problem doing either if someone is polite about it. In fact, one of my RL friends I run with a lot is a lock, and he's so cautious about tapping that he'll only do it if his herbalism heal is available. Since my tree might maybe go under 70% mana after a really long bossfight or a bad pull, I insist on hotting him up and glaring at him till he taps. He's learned that if I ever catch him drinking water, I'll just innervate him and kick him in the shin. If a group wipes and someone whispers "can I please get rezzed, I need to make a sandwich/bio/kiss my girlfriend/whatever" I'll agree happily and not give it another thought.

Without that courtesy, if I have to run all the way back to the instance and all the way through to the pile of skeletons then so do you, bub. If a lock taps without asking, I let them stand there and blink at me till the next pull. If I have time/mana to spare during the fight, I'll heal them up. If they die before I get around to it, it's their fault for charging in at half health.

If I want to be especially snarky, I'll use a bandage on them. A Heavy Linen one.
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I feel your pain. Locks tapping without asking is right up there with people expecting to get rezzed after a wipe without asking.


As a lock, I am going to tap, I don't expect you to heal me. I can pop a deathcoil on nonfearable mobs to get 5k mp back, or right before it dies so the fear isn't an issue. You just assume that if a lock taps, you have to heal. But if a lock isn't tapping, he is messing up his dps too, the tap gives extra damage as well as mp back and fel armor ticks at 500 hp every 3 seconds? or so... So really they can regen some of their own hp back, you just have to put up with their hp bar not being full..

If you heal me great, this is good, if you don't have time to heal the lock, don't. They'll get by either eating/bandage/regen fel armor/drain/death coil/affliction lock that has dots heal
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If you heal me great, this is good, if you don't have time to heal the lock, don't. They'll get by either eating/bandage/regen fel armor/drain/death coil/affliction lock that has dots heal


Pretty much what Karthal said. With glyph of life tap, it is to the benefit of the lock to life tap right before a pull and periodically though out the fight. To put it simply, it makes them pew pew harder. Whenever I play my lock I never expect a heal. I leveled my first aid up. I have plenty of buff and non buff food. Not to mention a portion of the damage I do is returned to me as health. Mind you, it might take me a bit to return enough health to be back to full but unless I get hit by damage that anyone would get hit by, I will not need a heal.

I can only remember one time that I got chewed out for life tapping in a heroic. Of course the same healer would also complain that we weren't going fast enough, DPS was going too slow, the tank was under geared, etc.... So I took what she said and promptly put it in my "Do not care" pile.
Although I have had other locks go psycho whenever I didn't top them off immediately. These same locks that did that would also life tap themselves down to near death in the middle of battle regardless how much splash damage was going on or how busy I was.
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Karthal wrote:
As a lock, I am going to tap


When I heal on my priest I have gotten into the habit of tossing a Renew on a lock at the start of a pull.

I know they will tap, it buffs them. I plan for it.

Also, warlocks. If a healer throws a damn HoT on you when you are at full health, for the love of all the is evil ******* Life Tap. We did it for a reason.
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