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It is also an example of poor spelling and poor word choice. I'm not sure why our friend thinks that it's acceptable to exclude the 'e' from 'snivel', given that Aurelius spelled the word correctly earlier in the thread--I mean, leaving off an extra 'l' is acceptable, but the 'e'? Come on sweetheart, you can do better than that.

What's more, Aurelius used the word correctly, too, and I get the feeling you only picked it up to try and make yourself sound a little smarter. Unfortunately for you, as seen earlier in this thread, 'to snivel' is equivalent to 'to cry':



Perhaps the word you were looking for to describe me is 'snide'?

Edited, Oct 6th 2009 6:11pm by isyris

Snide really isn't a word I think of when I think of you Isyris, Lovable Crazy Horse Lady on the other hand seems to suit.

You've been around long enough by now to know that raiders aren't generally all that thrilled when casuals come around and start crying that the game is inaccessible.

You apparently also have a fairly short memory, because the whole philosophy of casual access to raids killed 90% of T7 for a great many raiders.

You also apparently aren't interested in reality, because if you were you would be asking questions about just how fast and easy ToC10 is and how quickly you could expect to gear up from it if you need some upgrades before IC10. You'd be asking about how the normal and heroic 10-man raid settings + normal and heroic 25-man raid settings have changed the scaling of difficulty to make the lowest difficulty setting of 10-man raids not much worse than your average heroic.

If you were interested in looking at what Blizzard was offering and trying to decide whether or not you would, at some point between now and 4.0, have an opportunity to take part in the demise of the Lich King, you would be inquiring about the changes to raiding even since 3.0 that you haven't seen because you don't raid. What I'm saying is that if defeating the Lich King is such a substantial goal in their WoW experience that they complain that (*gasp*) the final boss encounter of the expansion will take place in a raid dungeon, that maybe you'd be looking to see what if anything you could do to get involved.

There's very little reason in any of your posts...or idiggory's...just excuses. Long, repetitive, drawn out lists that all boil down to, "I can't."

You'd be surprised at how easy Blizzard has granted access to tier 9 gear. In the absence of reason, all that's left is QQ.

QQ on, brother Mazra. QQ on.

Spponfed? You really are out of touch. Tell raiders that are still progressing through Ulduar that they're being spoonfed that little tidbit of lore. Tell Joe Average in Average Joe's raiding guild that he's being spoonfed the final encounter with Arthas when he's on week four of progression. Yet...people in this very thread have basically said they'd like to see a killable version of Arthas that can be managed on as little as an hour a week.

Your hypocrisy simultaneously amuses and disgusts me.



As I recall, my initial comments on the subject had to do with my distaste at the notion of the Lich King being a 5-man encounter and how anti-climactic it would be. Since then, you and idiggory have gone on the typically casual whine snivel rant about the good stuff going to the raiders while your one hour/month spread out over 3 days only lets you see Duskwood after 5 years of playing.

Get over it.

Edit to add: 6,666 posts. Fitting that it should be ever so slightly venomous.

Edited, Oct 7th 2009 5:08pm by AureliusSir

I'm glad u c wut I did thar.



If you stop playing the victim for a few minutes and go back and read through the thread, idiggory was full swing into the, "I KNEW WE WOULD BE ABLE TO KILL ARTHAS OUTSIDE OF A RAID!! THAT WAS BLIZZARD'S PLAN FROM THE BEGINNING!!" long before I commented on the idea of Arthas in a 5-man as a final encounter.

Fact is, idiggory was wrong. Blizzard never said that Arthas was going to be defeatable outside of a raid. The closest they came to saying anything of the sort was that they wanted raid content to be more accessible. I challenge you (or idiggory) to quote me the line from the blue post or main WoW site saying that Blizzard intended to have the Lich King die outside of a raid.

And when people put forward their own ideas on the idea of an anti-climactic final showdown in a 5-man dungeon, it was idiggory that started the whole, "CASUALS ARE PEOPLE TOO!!" crusade.

So get off your high horse, stop twisting everything around, and accept the fact that if you can't raid, the closest you'll come to watching the Lich King die will be on a youtube boss kill video.

They never said he'd be defeatable in a raid either. What they did say is that everyone would face him. True, that doesn't necessarily mean the casuals can kill him. But it doesn't mean that they won't either. I took the stance that I thought it was likely. You took the opposite stance. You didn't have any more information supporting your claim than I did.

And the argument wasn't about "will they," it was about "should they be able to."

And I like how you try and support your claim by saying I started a "crusade." If you look back to the first posts, my comments about "Blizzard said" have to do with there existing a LK fight, not a LK kill.

Other people then said they don't think that he should be killable in a 5-man. Actually, I'm pretty sure Anobix was the first one. We responded that we felt the opposite.

So, please, explain to me how I started a "crusade" for the casuals. Did I try and defend their right to experience the same lore as raiders? Yes. And if you reread my first posts, I asserted the possiblity that neither the 5 nor 25 man could kill him. I just didn't want casuals to be left with the "setback" story.

Actually, all I said was that I thought it was unfair that casuals were being cut out of the story. YOU were the first one to mention schedules, Aurelius, in the post that Mazra quoted.

So how about, instead of blaming me, you actually bother to know what you're talking about?

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This. Seriously. Go reread the first page. I'm done, too. I'm not on this site to have someone bash me for things I haven't even done. I'm all for discussion (actually, I love it), and Mazra and I TRIED to have one with you. But, your own immaturity and turn to name-calling made that impossible. I would have been more than happy to consider your views if you even bothered to consider ours. Not once did Mazra and I say anything should be taken away from raiders. We never said anything about toning down difficulty, giving drops to lowbies or anything else. I would have been perfectly happy with a LK kill instance that had zero drops.

We merely want everyone to get the most out of the game they pay for.

And, honestly, this isn't about me being a casual and feeling left out. No, really. It isn't. Back before Ulduar was released I was 100% on the side that felt that hard modes should be implemented so they are actually hard. I'll probably never enter a hard mode. But I was still willing to support the idea of making the game for other players that do PvE for a challenge. Why? Because I want the game to be fun for everyone, not just me.

I'm out.

Edited, Oct 7th 2009 9:04pm by idiggory

You know, I can go back and quote things out of context, too. It's really fun and makes people look really smart.

Try doing that in the real world. Libel suits are fun, too.

Oh no... I brought the real world into things. :/ That must mean I hate raiders!

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Yes, I did give in to your bait and post.

No, I will not be doing it again.

Edited, Oct 7th 2009 10:40pm by idiggory

The impression I got from how it was discussed at Blizzcon wasn't so much of a vehicle battle like Flame Leviathan but more of a moving platform battle (like the discs in the Malygos fight). I guess I could see vehicle-type cannons included, but I can't really imagine having to steer the darn thing. xD

The first mental image I got was the Hindenburg. Oh the humanity!

But kind of strange that of all alliance people to fight, we're going against Bran Bronzebeard?

You're right, whew. That makes a bit more sense.

I think that one of the biggest problems is that people who play this game care about it. They want their accomplishments recognized and their skill or ability to be graded against the rest of the player base. This is normal and to be expected.

However, what you must always remember is that this is a business. Blizzard listens to its player for advice, but they listen to their accountants even more. If expanding the player base (Fee Base) is their goal – they will do what they see as necessary to achieve that goal.

Perfect example – I just rerolled on a new server with no gold in a class I’ve never played. I am a casual player who MT’d some of Uld. and OT most of Uld. (25). So I know what I’m doing.

Guess what – it’s tough. I can’t imagine a new, first time player coming into the game at this point. 80 levels and a very steep learning curve… Blizzard needs to make the game more engaging or it will die. FFXI was a great game and I would like to play it again, but Starting now would mean months of time invested just to get close to ‘current’ content.

Blizzard is doing what they can to get people involved…

If you have someone in your serious, hard-core raid who isn’t pulling their weight – kick them. But all these people who claim that “Face-Rolling-Retards” are able to gather a group of 25 random people and blow through Uld (or pick your raid) are exaggerating the situation.

Yes – Some people are being carried.
Yes – People are skipping old (Nax, OS, etc) content
Yes – You had to work hard to get into Nax and get through OS

However – if you forced everyone to do everything you did – this game would have started it’s path toward the end a long time ago.

Look – in 1 year the new patch will be out. Just like BT or Mags was great fun – this stuff will all be dead content. Blizzard is great about knowing when to keep things going and when to let it die. Guess what – I heard that Molten Core was an awesome raid – but it’s done now. It’s in the past.

In short – people need access to the latest content. If people can’t get into the “Active” content in WoW, they’ll go to the active content somewhere else – and the game would slowly die.