So far I have not used the DBM addon since WoW seems to already have abilities to show when the boss is about to do a special attack. DBM is great for telling others psting you that you are currently busy fighting X boss. Whats the reason for these needed addons for raids now and is there a list?
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I'm guessing you haven't raided much. DBM will track, for instance, when you get into Naxx, when Anub is going to cast Locust Swarm. Wow doesn't tell you until he IS casting. Knowing ahead of time is helpful.
It will help the people be more aware when they're doing something obviously wrong, like standing in fire.
If you're not using DBM, you're half blind. If you know the fights really well and are already geared, no you don't need it to be successful. But you didn't need it in TBC either if you knew the fights.
If you have to ask this question though, yes, you need DBM.
It will help the people be more aware when they're doing something obviously wrong, like standing in fire.
If you're not using DBM, you're half blind. If you know the fights really well and are already geared, no you don't need it to be successful. But you didn't need it in TBC either if you knew the fights.
If you have to ask this question though, yes, you need DBM.
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DBM still goes above and beyond the normal warnings the WoW gives you. If you know what you are doing many of its warnings/etc. may seem a little unnecessary at first, but things can get hectic in some fights. Chances are that if you raid consistently it will save your butt more then enough to make it worthwhile, and will likely save your friends too. This is why many guild require it, or something like it.
Most guilds will also keep a list of other addons the recommend or require. Omen is good, something like grid that allows you to target other raidmembers easily is also nice. Something to help with you class-specific role is a bonus as well (Badkitty, Pallypower, etc).
Most guilds will also keep a list of other addons the recommend or require. Omen is good, something like grid that allows you to target other raidmembers easily is also nice. Something to help with you class-specific role is a bonus as well (Badkitty, Pallypower, etc).
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I've done every WotLK fight except the later ToC ones atleast 5 times each. Some as many as 20 in Naxx and 15 in Ulduar. I still find myself hearing the DBM warning for standing in something when I otherwise wouldn't have noticed. I hear it, mash Q, and I'm out of the way again. Without DBM, I would probably have died.
Most fights require too much concentration on your role to notice fight mechanics.
Most fights require too much concentration on your role to notice fight mechanics.
DBM is definitely useful. It's customizable as well - meaning you can turn off individual bosses (Read=Joraxxus). The enrage timers are nice, and I can't think of a boss in Uld where it's not helpful.
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DBM/BigWigs are still required for most raiding guilds, they provide you with a lot of information that even the raid designers have said they plan for.
Blues have specifically said that they design encounters now with raid addons in mind that people will have timers for.
Blues have specifically said that they design encounters now with raid addons in mind that people will have timers for.
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Thanks all and yes I have not raided much, only naxx and clear 3 quarters. I'll add DBM to my addons.
Raiding without DBM or big wigs is like driving with your eyes closed, you can technically get from point A to point B but its alot safer with help.
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Short answer: yes, it's needed.
Long answer: People are known to fail a lot. Most people have something we call "tunnel vision" to various degrees. It means that they focus on action bars or health bars too much and don't see anything that happens around their character. It is never a trouble in solo gaming, rarely in heroics but is HUGE DEAL in raids, since most boss fights require some enviroment awareness. DBM is helpful since it allows to get this extra hint when something is going on. Also there is a lot extra information it gives. Who gets certain debuffs, who is target for boss' abilities and so on. There is no way you can find those in <1sec attention window you usually get in busy raid boss fights.
Most serious guilds will require you to have it. I kicked from raids people without it. Most raid leaders will not want wipes due to people not noticing something. I heard tales of people being kicked from raiding guild for not getting it. It's extremely easy to install and is of great assistance to anybody that raids.
Long answer: People are known to fail a lot. Most people have something we call "tunnel vision" to various degrees. It means that they focus on action bars or health bars too much and don't see anything that happens around their character. It is never a trouble in solo gaming, rarely in heroics but is HUGE DEAL in raids, since most boss fights require some enviroment awareness. DBM is helpful since it allows to get this extra hint when something is going on. Also there is a lot extra information it gives. Who gets certain debuffs, who is target for boss' abilities and so on. There is no way you can find those in <1sec attention window you usually get in busy raid boss fights.
Most serious guilds will require you to have it. I kicked from raids people without it. Most raid leaders will not want wipes due to people not noticing something. I heard tales of people being kicked from raiding guild for not getting it. It's extremely easy to install and is of great assistance to anybody that raids.
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One of the best things DBM does is to give you health status bars for things that have to die almost simulatenously, e.g. Freya's 3 elementals, Mimiron phase 4, etc. Last time I heard, BigWigs (the common alternative to DBM) didn't have these, nor does WoW (yet) so DBM is 100% essential.
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That's what this reminded me of.
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I don't use DBM. Funny people complain about raiding being too easy yet they DEMAND everybody downloads addons to make the game easier? I DPS in Ulduar and TOC and so far I haven't caused any wipes.
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Same. DBM is essential. The timers and warnings and notices go far beyond what WoW gives you. They are practically essential. There is no good reason not to use DBM.
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More important than having DBM, having the ability to pay attention to it!
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I don't use DBM. Funny people complain about raiding being too easy yet they DEMAND everybody downloads addons to make the game easier? I DPS in Ulduar and TOC and so far I haven't caused any wipes.
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Artificially handicapping yourself for content doesn't make it harder, raid designers have stated that they create raids with DBM/BW/etc in mind for the timers/warnings/health bars. playing without them is like playing a mage as a clicker and keyboard turning -- just because you can do it doesn't mean you should.
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fronglo wrote:
I don't use DBM. Funny people complain about raiding being too easy yet they DEMAND everybody downloads addons to make the game easier? I DPS in Ulduar and TOC and so far I haven't caused any wipes.
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Artificially handicapping yourself for content doesn't make it harder, raid designers have stated that they create raids with DBM/BW/etc in mind for the timers/warnings/health bars. playing without them is like playing
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More important than having DBM, having the ability to pay attention to it!
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I raid with a basic philosophy, if someone has to call out something for you then it is probably too late.
If you can't watch timer and actively anticipate when spike damage is coming on a boss fight then grats on having an add on for decoration. The one difference you will notice between a solid raid and your average mid level raid is that in a mid level raid you will have stronger players basically telling other character what they should be doing. Calling out waves on Sartharion, which aura (light/dark) they should be on for Valkyr Twins nova etc. Strong guilds don't it is basically quiet during boss fights with only major things called, or individual buffs needed like a dps screaming for an innervate so he can get 1st world for dps on a boss fight or something.
I have been helping this guild and clutch things would happen and they would be "Bode please cast X on this target.... oh wait you have already done it", to which I would always respond "You don't have to tell me what to do sirs, I actually know what I am doing"
If you can't watch timer and actively anticipate when spike damage is coming on a boss fight then grats on having an add on for decoration. The one difference you will notice between a solid raid and your average mid level raid is that in a mid level raid you will have stronger players basically telling other character what they should be doing. Calling out waves on Sartharion, which aura (light/dark) they should be on for Valkyr Twins nova etc. Strong guilds don't it is basically quiet during boss fights with only major things called, or individual buffs needed like a dps screaming for an innervate so he can get 1st world for dps on a boss fight or something.
I have been helping this guild and clutch things would happen and they would be "Bode please cast X on this target.... oh wait you have already done it", to which I would always respond "You don't have to tell me what to do sirs, I actually know what I am doing"
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to which I would always respond "You don't have to tell me what to do sirs, I actually know what I am doing"
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Did a Naxx-25 a few weeks back with another guild and one of the DPS in said guild called me out for using DBM. To put it briefly his point was 'You can see the boss's cast bar for most attacks' to which my reply was 'I'm a healer, I'm too busy groaning (sorry that should be focusing on) at the wrong moves you are pulling'.
DBM lets me be aware of what is going on in the fight and frees me up to focus on the healing.
Imagine in real life, if you could know something terrible was going to happen before it actually does. You could act to stop that terrible thing! That's deadly boss mods. It's the difference between having all your dps in the correct essence and in position before the Twin Pact shield goes up, instead of reacting a second and a half after and arriving to akwardly dps it 8 seconds into the cast.
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Imagine in real life, if you could know something terrible was going to happen before it actually does. You could act to stop that terrible thing! That's deadly boss mods. It's the difference between having all your dps in the correct essence and in position before the Twin Pact shield goes up, instead of reacting a second and a half after and arriving to akwardly dps it 8 seconds into the cast.
I need the blind date version of DBM... =(
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I need the blind date version of DBM... =(
I can just imagine that...all you see when you enter the restaurant is Raid Warning: Run away little girl!
Gawd, now i really want a real life version of dbm. That would be amazing.
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to which I would always respond "You don't have to tell me what to do sirs, I actually know what I am doing"
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