So now that I'm finally level 80....I've always heard the game really starts here. I would like some advice on what to do now that I'm 80....I don't like battlegrounds so not too into pvp but will certainly try Wintergrasp. I see a lot of people running heroics now that they made some changes so is that the way to go? Are there any faction or rep building that you do? Where's the best resource to decide which rep you want to build? Best way for better gear? Dailies? Any input from you vets that have been maxed out for a while would be very helpful.
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Yes, you absolutely want to be doing heroics to get Emblem of Conquest, which can give you great gear. Do the Daily Herioc and also get a couple Emblem of Triump, that can give you an even better piece of gear once in a while.
Along with these great rewards, you can get upgrades from the boss drops themselves in Heriocs. Rep rewards should also be looked at. Use Atlasloot so that you have rep reward information at your fingertips and pick some items you want to work toward. Look up the rep factions and do some research on quest chains for them. Pick a couple factions and start working on them. Get their tabard when you can and wear it in dungeons you do.
If you have a profession that can craft gear, look into epic items you can make for yourself. When I was a fresh 80, I also picked up a few BOE epics from the AH to get me started. Although today, there are so many other easy ways (emblems) to get them, don't spend alot at the AH, unless it is a piece that isn't easily replaced.
When you can, get into a Naxx group. Hopefully your guild does some runs. Look up some info on the bosses before you go in. If you don't do anything else, know about the "safety dance" in Naxx before you need it (says the priest who just hopped around in a pug the first time).
Basically, there are multiple ways to get your epics. Turn on the showing of your gear's ilevel in your interface options, and try to up the ilevel of each of your slots. When you get a nice epic, gem and enchant it.
Hope that gives you a start. Gratz on 80.
Yes, you absolutely want to be doing heroics to get Emblem of Conquest, which can give you great gear. Do the Daily Herioc and also get a couple Emblem of Triump, that can give you an even better piece of gear once in a while.
Along with these great rewards, you can get upgrades from the boss drops themselves in Heriocs. Rep rewards should also be looked at. Use Atlasloot so that you have rep reward information at your fingertips and pick some items you want to work toward. Look up the rep factions and do some research on quest chains for them. Pick a couple factions and start working on them. Get their tabard when you can and wear it in dungeons you do.
If you have a profession that can craft gear, look into epic items you can make for yourself. When I was a fresh 80, I also picked up a few BOE epics from the AH to get me started. Although today, there are so many other easy ways (emblems) to get them, don't spend alot at the AH, unless it is a piece that isn't easily replaced.
When you can, get into a Naxx group. Hopefully your guild does some runs. Look up some info on the bosses before you go in. If you don't do anything else, know about the "safety dance" in Naxx before you need it (says the priest who just hopped around in a pug the first time).
Basically, there are multiple ways to get your epics. Turn on the showing of your gear's ilevel in your interface options, and try to up the ilevel of each of your slots. When you get a nice epic, gem and enchant it.
Hope that gives you a start. Gratz on 80.
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Thank you very much for the info and the links- greatly appreciated. I was looking at the rewards for the emblems and didn't notice any weapons...?? I'm assuming that you are also upgrading your gear via drops in the heroics. Is there any reason to run regular instances any more? Do you know if there are any class specific gear sets for Warlocks? I noticed emblems can be turned in for Priest and Mage cloth gear...but no Locks. Thanks again.
Lookup the loot available to you from normal mode ToC and spam run it any time you're not doing heroics. Some rather incredible gear in there for such an easy 5 man.
There are lock pieces. Many lock pieces. You can get a full set of the lowest quality T9 gear with Emblems of Triumph, but just doing dailies will take you quite a while to achieve that. You can get 2 pieces of T8 with Emblems of Conquest and 2 pieces of T7 with Valor and Heroism(7.5 for the former, 7 for the latter).
Additionally, you can get a nice epic weapon by collecting tokens from the Tournament in Icecrown.
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Do you know if there are any class specific gear sets for Warlocks? I noticed emblems can be turned in for Priest and Mage cloth gear...but no Locks. Thanks again.
There are lock pieces. Many lock pieces. You can get a full set of the lowest quality T9 gear with Emblems of Triumph, but just doing dailies will take you quite a while to achieve that. You can get 2 pieces of T8 with Emblems of Conquest and 2 pieces of T7 with Valor and Heroism(7.5 for the former, 7 for the latter).
Additionally, you can get a nice epic weapon by collecting tokens from the Tournament in Icecrown.
Run the living heck out of reg ToC, the 5 man also do its heroic version daily.
Depending on your server, progress and douchyness of the player base*, gearing up in there will be fast and painless. Other heroics will help but ToC is a huge boost to gearing toons up that I will abuse the hel1 out of when I have alts hit 80. You should do the same.
Also when asking for gear/spec/toon advice an armory link helps. If you don't know how to link, ask and just give toon name and server, we can help.
* Often when running stuff with guildies we will have 3-4 people. We have very low expectations for the caliber of PuG and usually just want someone with a pulse. Other servers/people want 3k DPS in a heroic.
Depending on your server, progress and douchyness of the player base*, gearing up in there will be fast and painless. Other heroics will help but ToC is a huge boost to gearing toons up that I will abuse the hel1 out of when I have alts hit 80. You should do the same.
Also when asking for gear/spec/toon advice an armory link helps. If you don't know how to link, ask and just give toon name and server, we can help.
* Often when running stuff with guildies we will have 3-4 people. We have very low expectations for the caliber of PuG and usually just want someone with a pulse. Other servers/people want 3k DPS in a heroic.
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The One and Only Poldaran wrote:
You can get 2 pieces of T8 with Emblems of Conquest and 2 pieces of T7 with Valor and Heroism(7.5 for the former, 7 for the latter).
Thanks Poldaran. I forgot to mention that Emblems of Conquest can be converted to Emblems of Valor and Heroism, giving even more choices to look at in Atlasloot.
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Actually being 80 isn't that hot. You can make 80 with only seeing like less than 50% of the complete game. At 80 it's grinding. Doing heroics and raids one after another to generate badges so they can be spent on better gear. So you get this new gear and what do you do? More raids and more heroics to get even better gear. It's an endless circle that keeps going around and around and around and depending on who you play with its "I got this gear ha ha ha" type of thing.
The real thing to do at 80 is to become loremaster and world explorer. Complete 3000 quests. This way you can see the whole game.
The real thing to do at 80 is to become loremaster and world explorer. Complete 3000 quests. This way you can see the whole game.
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Actually being 80 isn't that hot. You can make 80 with only seeing like less than 50% of the complete game. At 80 it's grinding. Doing heroics and raids one after another to generate badges so they can be spent on better gear. So you get this new gear and what do you do? More raids and more heroics to get even better gear. It's an endless circle that keeps going around and around and around and depending on who you play with its "I got this gear ha ha ha" type of thing.
The real thing to do at 80 is to become loremaster and world explorer. Complete 3000 quests. This way you can see the whole game.
The real thing to do at 80 is to become loremaster and world explorer. Complete 3000 quests. This way you can see the whole game.
I really think you're playing the wrong kind of game.
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clusto wrote:
The real thing to do at 80 is to become loremaster and world explorer. Complete 3000 quests. This way you can see the whole game.
That's what alts are for - experience different races, different classes, different styles of play, see all the scenery the way it was intended to be seen when it was created, and do the quests at a halfway appropriate level instead of one-shotting everything with just your retribution aura.
And you still have a main toon to experience the cameraderie of raiding in a group. Plus, with hardmodes, you'll sooner or later find content that is a real challenge (for my guild, later than most if sooner than many).
Best of both worlds.
When you are new to 80 here's the first thing you should do:
Read up the on the therorycrafting for your class and spec.
When you understand what you are doing, people will probably remember that down the line and give you a good word in pug raids/guild apps.
Read up the on the therorycrafting for your class and spec.
When you understand what you are doing, people will probably remember that down the line and give you a good word in pug raids/guild apps.
If a group is getting on to you for using PW:Shield as a Discipline priest (or jeez even a Holy priest), you have my permission to say "GC says you're doing it wrong."
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BakaShinobi wrote:
When you are new to 80 here's the first thing you should do:
Read up the on the therorycrafting for your class and spec.
When you understand what you are doing, people will probably remember that down the line and give you a good word in pug raids/guild apps.
Read up the on the therorycrafting for your class and spec.
When you understand what you are doing, people will probably remember that down the line and give you a good word in pug raids/guild apps.
Do that. Seriously. If you haven't read anything until now, it's high time to catch up. Read stickies in our class forums. If that's not enough I'm sure people would be kind enough to answer your questions or direct you to reliable source. Gear is not enough, it never was.
I ran couple heroics with my raid main healer's brother. His gear was ilvl 200+ in every slot. And he was doing 1,2k DPS. He should be doing at least 2-2,5k with his gear. I know he is not a bad player since I played with him in TBC but his knowledge was very outdated. His gear choices were not optimal, he enchanted and gemmed poorly. And most of all his rotation was bad. It really makes that big of a difference. Go to training dummies in cities. Practise for a bit to get hang of what you are supposed to do.
Instead of playing one afternoon take your time to read up. It will do you more good than just replacing gear based on iLvl. Look at Tankspot's videos and learn about naxxramas. People still run it for emblems. It can be easily pugged on most servers. Decent pug can at least clear 3-4 wings. And, like people suggested, run heroics. Nowadays it's not hard at all. With semi-decent tank, half-competent healer and DPs with average of 1,5k it can be cleared without many problems. It is not at all hard to get 15+ emblems per day.
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To add to the discussion on theorycraft, there are many websites besides the "go to" - www.elitistjerks.com - that offer the same information in a much easier to digest manner. Check out the class forum here for your class. There's a sticky labeled FAQ that more than likely has an up-to-date, or at least recent to Wrath's release, information hub on specs, gems, glyphs, enchants, gearing preferences, pets (if applicable), links to other websites that are smaller than Elitist Jerks but offer the same information, tips, tricks, PvP and PvE discussions, specific addons, general addons, where to get them, how to update them, etc.
One excellent tip regarding enchants is this: For most items, there are two or more enchants that are applicable for your class or spec. Using the lesser of the two or more enchants is wise on items you're using right now. Personally I use the best possible enchant on a current tier piece, or an extremely well-itemized piece that won't be replaced easily. Using blue-quality gems instead of epic-quality gems can save you 90% or more at a loss of just a handful of stat points.
There is a difference between having the RIGHT enchants and gems that may not be the absolute best versus using the wrong enchants and gems, or not using them at all. If that means using a TBC enchant, so be it - as long as it's the proper enchant for your class or spec.
As for me when I first hit 70 back during TBC, I was in the same boat. Where do I start now that I'm 70? I started with getting the most difficult but necessary rep out of the way - Scryers (or Aldor - they are diametrically opposed and provided shoulder enchants, among other things), after I had purchased my epic mount a couple minutes after hitting 70. At 80, I took a different approach. I knew exactly what I wanted to do when I hit 80 - begin to raid. I prepared for raiding before hitting 80. I began to craft and purchase BOE items. I made a goal to get all four championable factions to revered ASAP, giving me access to all four head enchants; once I did that I selected the order I would become exalted with those factions. As much as I hate dailies, I did them and plugged away with the few dailies available for Kirin Tor, Argent Crusade, Wyrmcrest and Sons of Hodir (for shoulder enchants; one of three sources of them). My guild at the time did regular heroic runs and even though the gear I had was superior to what was available on the Heroism vendor, I did heroics for rep and heirloom items (which more than likely will be unusable past 80) and a chance at some random greens and Frozen Orbs.
As for a way for a new 80 to approach the end game, I would start with gearing yourself for heroics. Purchase the tabard for the most relevant faction that sells your helm enchant. If you can't purchase it right away, research how to enable the vendor. Allakhazam and it's sister sites, Thottbot and WoWHead are excellent resources to use for researching WoW. Find out where the dailies for that faction are and how to gain rep with them without doing dailies. Can you purchase items for a repeatable quest for that faction? If so, would it be worth the time to do the dailies, or easier for you to buy all the reputation items you need, or a combination of both? (The real question here is can you make more money doing the dailies for that faction; or by doing something else, then buying the reputation items?)
Good luck and I hope you enjoy the game that is WoW at max level. I enjoyed my first ride to max level and enjoyed the stay once I did. I came back for a 3rd plate during TBC. I'm not too far off of pulling the trigger on 4-5 more characters to take the ride to 80, joining three others already there.
One excellent tip regarding enchants is this: For most items, there are two or more enchants that are applicable for your class or spec. Using the lesser of the two or more enchants is wise on items you're using right now. Personally I use the best possible enchant on a current tier piece, or an extremely well-itemized piece that won't be replaced easily. Using blue-quality gems instead of epic-quality gems can save you 90% or more at a loss of just a handful of stat points.
There is a difference between having the RIGHT enchants and gems that may not be the absolute best versus using the wrong enchants and gems, or not using them at all. If that means using a TBC enchant, so be it - as long as it's the proper enchant for your class or spec.
As for me when I first hit 70 back during TBC, I was in the same boat. Where do I start now that I'm 70? I started with getting the most difficult but necessary rep out of the way - Scryers (or Aldor - they are diametrically opposed and provided shoulder enchants, among other things), after I had purchased my epic mount a couple minutes after hitting 70. At 80, I took a different approach. I knew exactly what I wanted to do when I hit 80 - begin to raid. I prepared for raiding before hitting 80. I began to craft and purchase BOE items. I made a goal to get all four championable factions to revered ASAP, giving me access to all four head enchants; once I did that I selected the order I would become exalted with those factions. As much as I hate dailies, I did them and plugged away with the few dailies available for Kirin Tor, Argent Crusade, Wyrmcrest and Sons of Hodir (for shoulder enchants; one of three sources of them). My guild at the time did regular heroic runs and even though the gear I had was superior to what was available on the Heroism vendor, I did heroics for rep and heirloom items (which more than likely will be unusable past 80) and a chance at some random greens and Frozen Orbs.
As for a way for a new 80 to approach the end game, I would start with gearing yourself for heroics. Purchase the tabard for the most relevant faction that sells your helm enchant. If you can't purchase it right away, research how to enable the vendor. Allakhazam and it's sister sites, Thottbot and WoWHead are excellent resources to use for researching WoW. Find out where the dailies for that faction are and how to gain rep with them without doing dailies. Can you purchase items for a repeatable quest for that faction? If so, would it be worth the time to do the dailies, or easier for you to buy all the reputation items you need, or a combination of both? (The real question here is can you make more money doing the dailies for that faction; or by doing something else, then buying the reputation items?)
Good luck and I hope you enjoy the game that is WoW at max level. I enjoyed my first ride to max level and enjoyed the stay once I did. I came back for a 3rd plate during TBC. I'm not too far off of pulling the trigger on 4-5 more characters to take the ride to 80, joining three others already there.
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Interesting thread but sadly I'm a bit tired from a weekend of camping (late nights and early mornings!) and read
as containing an Emblem of Turnip - making it even sadder is adding in the fact that I only picked up my new glasses on Thursday!!
Sorry 'bout that :)
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Yes, you absolutely want to be doing heroics to get Emblem of Conquest, which can give you great gear. Do the Daily Herioc and also get a couple Emblem of Triump, that can give you an even better piece of gear once in a while.
as containing an Emblem of Turnip - making it even sadder is adding in the fact that I only picked up my new glasses on Thursday!!
Sorry 'bout that :)
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