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#1 Aug 29 2009 at 5:29 PM Rating: Decent
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Wait, what?

I have to be honest, I was really looking forward to B.Net 2.0, but I'm now facepalming. This just brings up the discussion of why being able to make an Alliance toon as well as a Horde toon on the same PvP server was a bad choice.

Blizzard, I'm disappointed. :\

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#2 Aug 29 2009 at 5:34 PM Rating: Default
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Next time, scream in to a pillow or something.

Don't muck up the forums by making a thread just to *****.
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#3 Aug 29 2009 at 6:01 PM Rating: Decent
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WoW.com did a near similar article on cross-faction communication way back in the summer of '08. Thankfully, they state that the only cross-faction communication done would need the 2nd persons Real ID, a persistant feature to Battle.Net.

Still querky about it though. The novelty of being able to talk with guildies on an old toon from the Alliance would be nice and all, but most probably not worth the countless amounts of ways it could be abused. Mentinoing an incoming For The Horde raid, without even relogging. :\


On a side-note, that could quite be, the most ignorant comment I've seen today. Gratz.
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#4 Aug 29 2009 at 6:10 PM Rating: Good
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Yes because before this, there was absolutely no way to communicate with someone from the other faction, making this new added feature TOTALLY game-breaking...

Smiley: oyvey

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#5 Aug 29 2009 at 6:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Everybody got their ******** mode switch turned on tonight? Didn't get the memo. :|

********* and a discussion. Two different things, and to be straight, don't stick around if you don't like discussions. This is a forum, you know. They discuss?

And why make what was once an annoyance to players, even easier to do? Maybe I'm not up for change, but they really are changing too many elements of the game that defined WoW. Things like spellpower being a good example.
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#6 Aug 29 2009 at 7:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Seriously, this chap makes some interesting points in his posts yet always gets downrated. 'Nother quirky view on the karma system I guess.

I get what you're saying - of course it used to be possible to communicate cross-faction, it's just that they are now making it obscenely simple. The reason I liked the small blockade was because you wouldn't get people whispering you after you'd have owned them in PvP. Of course, you can log an alt and verbaly abuse the person in question, but this forces you to go through far more trouble than just throwing the brat in question a whisper. If it really becomes as simple as a /w, we're going to get a lot more online flamefests over PvP than there currently are. People aren't going to make an alt for every person to kick their butt in PvP. People will be far more likely to harass you if they can just whisper you like anybody else, though.
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#7 Aug 29 2009 at 7:53 PM Rating: Good
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I thought I heard something at the Battle.Net Q&A that discussed something like this. I think it said that you'd have to have the ID of the person you were trying to message. I could be wrong though. It seems to me, however, that Blizzard, in all their infinite wisdom, would realize that the whining/flaming/call it whatever you want could be a problem, hence the requirement of the ID of the person you wish to speak with. Maybe someone with a little more energy can do some digging and confirm? Thanks.
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Yes because before this, there was absolutely no way to communicate with someone from the other faction, making this new added feature TOTALLY game-breaking...


ITs just like having an instant messenger open... If you know the person, you can chat with them, you won't be going rofl I just pwned jer face! to some horde/alliance you don't know
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#9 Aug 29 2009 at 9:07 PM Rating: Decent
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During Burning Crusade I was a member of the top alliance on the server. We were actually quite chummy with our horde counterparts. We were the only two guilds that had decent progression, the rest of the guilds were months behind and got their *** handed to them by SWP. The holy paladin in the horde guild had a mage in our guild, our healing officer was best friends irl with their main tank.

When I was on Drak'thul and I was helping a former guild member get his Salty title we had the top horde and top alliance guild on the server in STV ganking anyone but him that was fishing.

Frankly I think this is gonna be awesome, though we were sharing vent info long enough that we just hop on and shoot the **** without text.
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#10 Aug 29 2009 at 11:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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I really hope they allow Cross Faction mailing. I REALLY would like to send some BoA's to my last horde toon worth giving BoA's too. Too bad my horde paladin needs all of her badges :(
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Everybody got their ******** mode switch turned on tonight? Didn't get the memo. :|


Only the ********* get the memo, to tell them to redouble their efforts.
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#12 Aug 30 2009 at 2:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Making a mountain out of a molehill.

It's designed with people who have friends across sides and realms (and games) in mind, people, who, in all likelyhood, stay in communication either way, through vent or something like MSN. Yeah, you'll have a few D-bags runing city attacks, but in general the only ones those guys know about are the ones spammed in LFG and trade channels, and those mostly suck anyway. There wont be trashtalk if you don't give out your battlnet ID. The one exploit I can see this having is perhaps cross faction item selling, but even then it'd be a fairly annoying process so I doubt it'd be an epidemic.
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Ughh ... You can only chat cross faction with people who know you, and know your ID. It's voluntary. It is not the same thing as being able to ***** at someone while you're being ganked. It is more similar to having MSN or gChat open and talking to your friend who is playing on the opposite faction.

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#14 Aug 30 2009 at 9:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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hmmm, somehow i can see how this would be abused, though it will come in handy with the upcoming cross-realm instance queues.
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HolyOwnage wrote:
Everybody got their ******** mode switch turned on tonight? Didn't get the memo. :|
to be quite frank, I'm not being an *******, I'm just pointing out that your great dramatic thread is pointless in every regard.

HolyOwnage wrote:
********* and a discussion. Two different things, and to be straight, don't stick around if you don't like discussions. This is a forum, you know. They discuss?
Discussion =/= universal agreement and support. Maybe you need to re-evaluate your expectations.

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And why make what was once an annoyance to players, even easier to do? Maybe I'm not up for change, but they really are changing too many elements of the game that defined WoW. Things like spellpower being a good example.
It doesn't change anything! Griefers who want to warn their buddies on the opposing faction will still do so. Remember, this is not fully open communication, it's messaging your friends only!

Basically, you're just hating on the feature because you're having other issues with the game, and now you wanna play Chicken Little.

"Cross faction chatting!! OMG The nerfs are falling the nerfs are falling!!"

I'm not some fanatic for any game, but seriously guy, if you have some real concerns that are meaningful, I'm sure you'd get a better reaction than this.
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#16 Aug 31 2009 at 5:35 PM Rating: Good
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HolyOwnage wrote:
Everybody got their ******** mode switch turned on tonight? Didn't get the memo. :|

********* and a discussion. Two different things, and to be straight, don't stick around if you don't like discussions. This is a forum, you know. They discuss?

And why make what was once an annoyance to players, even easier to do? Maybe I'm not up for change, but they really are changing too many elements of the game that defined WoW. Things like spellpower being a good example.


This isn't a discussion, it's a whine post. I have no cheese at the moment, so I have no need for the whine.
We've been 'sticking around' and having discussions a lot longer than you, Skippy. If you don't like the way we discuss things, don't 'stick around.'

Yeah, they're changing way too many things that have always defined WoW, like Spell Power, which was SO prevalent before BC.

They're also adding an MSN style communication tool. This will totally change the way the game plays since, as stated numerous times, in this one and in other identical threads, it depends on two people knowing each other's RIDs, which don't exactly drop off of you when a superior player destroys you. Yeah, that'll totally change the game since the effort involved is no different than sharing your MSN info, or vent info, with the other person.

Why don't you ever discuss, in your 'xx is changing the game' posts, about the stuff that's changing in the game? The impactful stuff?
Actually, I've never, in your extremely long time here, seen you discuss a single WoW related topic positively.
Quit.
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#17 Aug 31 2009 at 8:21 PM Rating: Good
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As everyone else has so clearly stated, it's only for people you let have access to talk to, you won't be able to walk around dalaran and understand [common] or whatever, it's not like threatening! it's not really game breaking, as people can simply get on vent if they have friends of the opposite faction, end of discussion!
#18 Aug 31 2009 at 9:39 PM Rating: Default
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Heh. I can see where this is going. Everybody sit on their rather high egotistical perch, in a manner that they feel they can condone others to the extent where they can decide what a word means, in multiple cases, and still feel the necessity to whine more about those who they ironically feel are "whining".

It's called looking for a discussion, whether you're up for one or not. And if your not, simply don't post. It isn't a hard concept, and whether you're refound here or not, it doesn't make your opinion any more valid than the next persons. I was looking for a discussion, and clearly, you kids aren't looking for one. On a forum, of all places. Hopefully, the least an admin could do right now would be to lock it, but here's hoping.
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There is no need to lock the post. It has not degenerated into flaming yet and is simply people disagreeing with you about a topic you feel strongly about which they do not. Which is the intent of the forum. I see no need to stop the discussion at this time.
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Yeah it's clearly not the worst I've seen Smiley: sly

It's been discussed before, sometime ago.

Although Pawk musta got out of the wrong side of bed.
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jaysgsl, Guardian of the Glade wrote:

1) This isn't a discussion, it's a whine post. I have no cheese at the moment, so I have no need for the whine.
We've been 'sticking around' and having discussions a lot longer than you, Skippy. If you don't like the way we discuss things, don't 'stick around.'


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2) Basically, you're just hating on the feature because you're having other issues with the game, and now you wanna play Chicken Little.
"Cross faction chatting!! OMG The nerfs are falling the nerfs are falling!!"
I'm not some fanatic for any game, but seriously guy, if you have some real concerns that are meaningful, I'm sure you'd get a better reaction than this.


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3) Actually, I've never, in your extremely long time here, seen you discuss a single WoW related topic positively.
Quit.


As I said in a PM, there is no need to down-rate a comment just because you don't argue the same opinion to them, unless they're providing false facts, of which it then clearly wouldn't become an opinion any more. Karma system is getting abused/used in appropriately, and whether it's designed to play out like such or not, it's poor. A moderator should be able to dictate what posts should be deemed unworthy and worthy, not a bunch of folks who think they're old timers on the internet for being around on the site for a wee few years.

Also, as thread creator, I can't even ask for my own thread to be locked? What horrible dictation is that. I asked for something I had done, to be closed . I didn't state whether it was for flaming, or anything else. Instead, I asked for it to be locked for it's lack of intellectual discussion. It's clear you don't want to delete the ***** posts, which ok. A mild decision, but what's the point of a thread if the thread is dictated by ******** who vote each other up and everybody down, and the few intellectual posts that I create a thread for are buried within all the whining and idiots because they disagree with an opinion. The thread is beyond ridiculous, and it doesn't take an admin to know that.
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Also, as thread creator, I can't even ask for my own thread to be locked? What horrible dictation is that. I asked for something I had done, to be closed . I didn't state whether it was for flaming, or anything else. Instead, I asked for it to be locked for it's lack of intellectual discussion. It's clear you don't want to delete the ***** posts, which ok. A mild decision, but what's the point of a thread if the thread is dictated by @#%^s who vote each other up and everybody down, and the few intellectual posts that I create a thread for are buried within all the whining and idiots because they disagree with an opinion. The thread is beyond ridiculous, and it doesn't take an admin to know that.

Beginning a thread doesn't give you lordship over it. You wanted a discussion and some people are disagreeing with you. Sure, they're disagreeing strongly but that's the nature of public discourse. You can't just choose to have it closed down simply because things didn't go the way you wanted. If you don't like the thread that much, you can always choose to just not come back to it.
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But if a thread is made for discussion, and that's the one thing it isn't getting because so many people rather'd cause reason to derail it, it's then the responsibility of the thread creator to then say "Ok, close it. It's clear ****** all productive is coming out of the topic", but that's also and foremost the job of those who moderate. Not closing it was a bad call, as it was more than clear it should of been done very, very, early on.
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People rate down simply because they can. If you're looking for ratings on the quality of your article, it just isn't going to happen.

Personally I believe you've made your point about the cross-faction communications, now arguing about karma is going to get you sub-defaulted.

Believe me, I've been there.
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We didn't get this ability to rate through just signing up. We have the ability to rate because enough people with the ability to rate thought we had enough good posts floating around with our crap posts to rate us up to this level.

There is a huge rule about Karma: Don't complain about Karma.

Getting all emofensive on a message bulletin forum isn't the best way to go about things. People WILL have differing opinion than yours, and they will voice it in your topic.
Let me break things down for you into a simpler manner.

"Hello, in my opinion, cross faction communication is an important change that will effect our game play"
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Opinion "A"

"Hello, I don't believe that cross faction communication is an important change that will effect our game play"
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Opinion "B"

That is how the thread has basically broken down 'til you threw your fit. Allakhazam isn't a nice Hello Kitty forum. It's harsh, straight, and raw. We will tell you our opinion on the subject, then we will tell you our opinion on you, and even on your opinion (which can, indeed, differ from the subject itself). If you can't handle that, and if you can't handle when, in our opinion, your post needs to be rated down so people don't see it, then maybe it's time you find a different forum.
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Things to learn about posting on a public forum...


1. Not everyone is going to agree with you.

2. Not everyone who disagrees with you is going to disagree with you in a way that you like.

3. Not everyone who disagrees with you is going to be nice about it.

4. Not everyone you to perceive to be a jerk is a jerk.

5. Complaining about it and trying to get the thread locked will only encourage people to fry you more.

6. Calling people "kids" to make yourself seem older is fail.

7. Just because they are kids doesn't make your point anymore valid than theirs.

8. When you are complaining about something it can easily be called "whining". Whether or not it really is.

9. The fact you haven't been totally sub-defaulted means there is a small population that does agree with you.

10. Have a thick skin and reply gracefully with tact. You'll earn the respect of others. Even if they disagree with you.

EDIT: 11. If people are being jerks they don't really care. Complaining and fighting with them only encourages them. See #10 and apply.

Edited, Sep 1st 2009 6:45pm by ekaterinodar
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