I must say that some of the things said about Cataclysm sounds pretty freaking cool. However, there is one that that is bugging me a bit about the whole thing.
From what I understand (and correct me if I'm wrong), Azeroth and the old vanilla areas will be changed forever. Does this mean that one will never see the old areas the way they used to be?
Call me silly, but sometimes I enjoy traveling through an area and reminiscing about past experiences, especially remembering about some good friends who have now moved on to other things in life.
Again, I am pretty excited about the new expansion. However, there is still part of me that is upset that I will never see places like Duskwood or Stranglethorn Vale for what they used to be.
Edited, Aug 24th 2009 4:20pm by Meatballsub
- Forums
- World of Warcraft
- General Discussion
- Expansion Woes
Expansion WoesFollow
Thesub - Odin Server
-----
FFXIV - Meatball Sub - 42DRG/35CRP/31BOT - Leviathan Server (2013-2013 RIP)
World of Warcraft - Brodei - DK - Silvermoon/Anetheron/Gorefiend Servers (2005-2012 RIP)
FFXI - Magmir - 60 DRG - Diabolos Server (2003-2005 RIP)
-----
FFXIV - Meatball Sub - 42DRG/35CRP/31BOT - Leviathan Server (2013-2013 RIP)
World of Warcraft - Brodei - DK - Silvermoon/Anetheron/Gorefiend Servers (2005-2012 RIP)
FFXI - Magmir - 60 DRG - Diabolos Server (2003-2005 RIP)
Yes, the current version of Azeroth will be gone forever
Don't forget that we're supposed to be part of this world. The nostalgia we would feel about the way everything used to be is similar to the way the actual people living in the world would feel.
Don't forget that we're supposed to be part of this world. The nostalgia we would feel about the way everything used to be is similar to the way the actual people living in the world would feel.
Mazra wrote:
When you cast Moonfire on someone, it's not some Druid base on the moon launching a precision deathbeam across space to strike people
Unless stated otherwise somewhere, you can never go back to how Olde Azeroth was before the Cataclysm. It's going to affect people with and without the expansions.
You can still reminisce, for example, riding through the Barrens. You just have to ignore the gaping chasm that divides the zone.
Also, apparently some zones will be less touched than others. I'd imagine places like Silithus, or Un'Goro.
You can still reminisce, for example, riding through the Barrens. You just have to ignore the gaping chasm that divides the zone.
Also, apparently some zones will be less touched than others. I'd imagine places like Silithus, or Un'Goro.
The Bob Dylan troll wrote:
Oh well Syladia in Spanish your name means someone who shags little boys from behind in the dark.
Syladia, Assassin Reject wrote:
Unless stated otherwise somewhere, you can never go back to how Olde Azeroth was before the Cataclysm. It's going to affect people with and without the expansions.
You can still reminisce, for example, riding through the Barrens. You just have to ignore the gaping chasm that divides the zone.
Also, apparently some zones will be less touched than others. I'd imagine places like Silithus, or Un'Goro.
You can still reminisce, for example, riding through the Barrens. You just have to ignore the gaping chasm that divides the zone.
Also, apparently some zones will be less touched than others. I'd imagine places like Silithus, or Un'Goro.
Un'Goro maybe, but actually I imagine Silithus will get worked over, seeing as its one of the least popular zones right now. Desolace is going to be quite different, turning green, I imagine something or other will get done to Silithus so it no longer feels like an incomplete forgotten zone.
Die! Die die die. die die die die, die die. - Scarlet Briar
It'll just be a little bit more like real life, in that things change.
I live in a city that has expanded from roughly 1,000,000 to over 3.5 million in the 35 years I've lived here. Needless to say, there are things that are considerably different than when I was growing up. It's fun to look at areas covered in houses now and recollect the times I went hiking there, or when orange groves covered the area. Things change. Sometimes for the worse, sometimes for the better. The Barrens, Stanglethorn Vale, and others will still have memories, but they'll also have new things to enjoy.
I'm looking forward to seeing how Azeroth evolves in the expansion. It's a long overdue renovation, in my opinion.
I live in a city that has expanded from roughly 1,000,000 to over 3.5 million in the 35 years I've lived here. Needless to say, there are things that are considerably different than when I was growing up. It's fun to look at areas covered in houses now and recollect the times I went hiking there, or when orange groves covered the area. Things change. Sometimes for the worse, sometimes for the better. The Barrens, Stanglethorn Vale, and others will still have memories, but they'll also have new things to enjoy.
I'm looking forward to seeing how Azeroth evolves in the expansion. It's a long overdue renovation, in my opinion.
I guess you are all right. I mean, I have had 5 years to enjoy the areas as they are now. It is probably about time for a change now.
Thesub - Odin Server
-----
FFXIV - Meatball Sub - 42DRG/35CRP/31BOT - Leviathan Server (2013-2013 RIP)
World of Warcraft - Brodei - DK - Silvermoon/Anetheron/Gorefiend Servers (2005-2012 RIP)
FFXI - Magmir - 60 DRG - Diabolos Server (2003-2005 RIP)
-----
FFXIV - Meatball Sub - 42DRG/35CRP/31BOT - Leviathan Server (2013-2013 RIP)
World of Warcraft - Brodei - DK - Silvermoon/Anetheron/Gorefiend Servers (2005-2012 RIP)
FFXI - Magmir - 60 DRG - Diabolos Server (2003-2005 RIP)
It was asked during one of the DTV interviews between panels on Saturday whether they'd let us revisit some of the current Azeroth via the Caverns of Time.
The developer (unfortunately I don't remember which one they were talking to at the time) said that they definitely planned on doing more with the Caverns of Time, and that was definitely a thought they'd have to consider.
The developer (unfortunately I don't remember which one they were talking to at the time) said that they definitely planned on doing more with the Caverns of Time, and that was definitely a thought they'd have to consider.
Ibi
Daviris
Bronzebeard
Daviris
Bronzebeard
#8clusto,
Posted: Aug 24 2009 at 1:19 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I wish they could of just added new area's without changing the old ones. Add another section to outland or something. It's like they figured out that they needed to come up with an expansion and never planned with it. Nothin but a bunch of hacks. No originality.
I know what you mean OP but it will be fun actually just exploring the old zones to see the changes too.
An old silent pond...
A frog jumps into the pond,
splash! Silence again.
~ Matsuo Basho
A frog jumps into the pond,
splash! Silence again.
~ Matsuo Basho
"there are places i remember, all my life though some have changed. some forever not for better..." in my life - beatles
the only constant is change.
the only constant is change.
i'm not saying, i'm just saying
_________________________
Babu Voyvoda - Hyur Midlander
White Mage
_________________________
Babu Voyvoda - Hyur Midlander
White Mage
I think it would be cool if there was an easy quest in each zone that will be effected. Once you do the quest, you see the changes.
Like in Icecrown, when you 1st go to this zone there is only one camp. Then as you progress through the story there, more and more unlocks and areas change.
My idea would just allow new players that come after the x-pack to see what the "old" world looked like, and then what the New World will be.
Like in Icecrown, when you 1st go to this zone there is only one camp. Then as you progress through the story there, more and more unlocks and areas change.
My idea would just allow new players that come after the x-pack to see what the "old" world looked like, and then what the New World will be.
I wouldn't worry too much. I'm confident that Blizz will do a decent revamp, but on the other hand I doubt that this means that every single square yard of land will completely change with the expansion. That place where you solo'd that one elite will probably still exist.
"My guildy Kasdaye" wrote:
Gearscore for raiders is like Goldshire for roleplayers.
Anything that makes Desolace a more interesting place to quest in, is good news in my opinion. :)
Anyone heard anything about the Alliance cities being affected by Cat? It would be cool if, say the Park district in SW was all rubble, or the Forlorn Cavern was caved in in IF.
Okay.. with the expansion, Azeroth will be changed, right?
What if you don't buy the expansion?
Sorry, having an issue wrapping my brain around this. AFK for some caffeine.
Edit: I think I read somewhere that Darkshore will be affected in the way Durotar will be?
Edited, Aug 24th 2009 9:22pm by Vorkosigan
What if you don't buy the expansion?
Sorry, having an issue wrapping my brain around this. AFK for some caffeine.
Edit: I think I read somewhere that Darkshore will be affected in the way Durotar will be?
Edited, Aug 24th 2009 9:22pm by Vorkosigan
A reader lives a thousand lives, the man who never reads lives only one. - George R.R. Martin
Orgrimmar is getting slashed in two, and Ironforge is near Deepholm, sort of. I'm sure Org won't be the only thing getting blasted in the face by Deathwing.
Vorkosigan, the developer said that Azeroth will get trashed if you have the expansion or not.
Edited, Aug 24th 2009 9:23pm by Syladia
Vorkosigan, the developer said that Azeroth will get trashed if you have the expansion or not.
Edited, Aug 24th 2009 9:23pm by Syladia
The Bob Dylan troll wrote:
Oh well Syladia in Spanish your name means someone who shags little boys from behind in the dark.
Quote:
the developer said that Azeroth will get trashed if you have the expansion or not.
Gotcha. Okaaay, immense patch AND an expansion.
Doubt we'll play much for a week with patches of the patch, and patches of the expansion. :X
A reader lives a thousand lives, the man who never reads lives only one. - George R.R. Martin
I heard Southshore will be a horde town in the expansion.
I also heard that there will be a quest chain(s) and going further in the chain will make the world look different. the example they used was the sea rising more and more. I am not sure if the whole actual cataclysm will be a quest chain, but that would be cool.
The most common problem in this is having zones phased for characters on certain parts of the chain, but Blizzard also said that they are looking at a way to make it to where you can invite other people into the phased area you are in... so maybe that will have it work...
Then you run into the problem of an area like Azshara... with it now being a ~L.50-ish zone, but for the expansion it becoming a (phased?) low level area. Since chat channels are not phased you could be L.50 in old Azshara needing help and everyone else in the zone is phased to the low level Azshara.
Speculation without any real facts about HOW the actual cataclysm works out is fun. Will it be a sudden occurence and everyone being affected at the same time and it will hit on the day the expansion hits? Will it be server related... like the opening of AQ and IoQD? Will it be a quest line that only affects the person doing it up to a point? Seeing as Blizzard is doing something like cross-server LFG I don't see why they couldn't do something like old Azeroth being on a subserver while the new Azeroth after (or during) Cataclysm could be on the main part of the server.
I guess since the Worgens couldn't really be let out til the catalysm breaks open the Greymane Wall it would seem that starting a Worgen and doing a chain would open up the rest of the world to you... kinda like how the DK starting zone is... I don't know the specifics of how the cataclysm affects the Goblins, but I am sure it is pretty much the same type of chain that lets them "get out".
I don't remember if Blizzard actually announced HOW it will take place except how the sea rises during a chain. I have only watched a little of Blizzcon and I really haven't been looking for "official" news.
Be kind to me. As I stated... I have only speculated some of this so it carries no actual weight.
I also heard that there will be a quest chain(s) and going further in the chain will make the world look different. the example they used was the sea rising more and more. I am not sure if the whole actual cataclysm will be a quest chain, but that would be cool.
The most common problem in this is having zones phased for characters on certain parts of the chain, but Blizzard also said that they are looking at a way to make it to where you can invite other people into the phased area you are in... so maybe that will have it work...
Then you run into the problem of an area like Azshara... with it now being a ~L.50-ish zone, but for the expansion it becoming a (phased?) low level area. Since chat channels are not phased you could be L.50 in old Azshara needing help and everyone else in the zone is phased to the low level Azshara.
Speculation without any real facts about HOW the actual cataclysm works out is fun. Will it be a sudden occurence and everyone being affected at the same time and it will hit on the day the expansion hits? Will it be server related... like the opening of AQ and IoQD? Will it be a quest line that only affects the person doing it up to a point? Seeing as Blizzard is doing something like cross-server LFG I don't see why they couldn't do something like old Azeroth being on a subserver while the new Azeroth after (or during) Cataclysm could be on the main part of the server.
I guess since the Worgens couldn't really be let out til the catalysm breaks open the Greymane Wall it would seem that starting a Worgen and doing a chain would open up the rest of the world to you... kinda like how the DK starting zone is... I don't know the specifics of how the cataclysm affects the Goblins, but I am sure it is pretty much the same type of chain that lets them "get out".
I don't remember if Blizzard actually announced HOW it will take place except how the sea rises during a chain. I have only watched a little of Blizzcon and I really haven't been looking for "official" news.
Be kind to me. As I stated... I have only speculated some of this so it carries no actual weight.
PentUpAnger the Irrelevant wrote:
Then you run into the problem of an area like Azshara... with it now being a ~L.50-ish zone, but for the expansion it becoming a (phased?) low level area.
It won't be phased, it will just become a level 20ish zone.
I think it was Metzen who said, "Azshara will become the level 10-20 area for the goblins. You'll lose the three quests that are currently there." 
Seems a shame when even the loremaster doesn't know there are a lot more than 3 quests in Azshara.
I'll miss all those autumnal woods.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to find the Bronze Dragonflight offering day-trips and excursions to Old Azeroth.
I'll miss all those autumnal woods.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to find the Bronze Dragonflight offering day-trips and excursions to Old Azeroth.
Wherever I go - there I am.
Cobra101 wrote:
Seems a shame when even the loremaster doesn't know there are a lot more than 3 quests in Azshara.
I'll miss all those autumnal woods.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to find the Bronze Dragonflight offering day-trips and excursions to Old Azeroth.
I'll miss all those autumnal woods.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to find the Bronze Dragonflight offering day-trips and excursions to Old Azeroth.
"So when the world changed, um, Nazdormu was left behind. We still don't know where he is, but we know WHEN he is. If you want to go look for him, we'd appreciate that."
Beohrn -- 85 druid
Brandmanen -- 85 Hunter
"Skill is a measure of how fast a player can turn experience into competence." -- Anedris, EJ forums
"The warrior acts, the fool reacts"
Please pardon the ego, it keeps getting stuck in doorways. I'm working on it.
Brandmanen -- 85 Hunter
"Skill is a measure of how fast a player can turn experience into competence." -- Anedris, EJ forums
"The warrior acts, the fool reacts"
Please pardon the ego, it keeps getting stuck in doorways. I'm working on it.
Cobra101 wrote:
Seems a shame when even the loremaster doesn't know there are a lot more than 3 quests in Azshara.
The issue with Azshara is that many of the quest lines there are class-specific lead-ins to Sunken Temple. So although running a search on Alla or Wowhead or whatever turns up a fair number of quests there, there are six or seven chains that a character will do no more than one of. Then there’s poke in the naga ruins, poke in the satyr ruins, poke around with the furbolgs, poke around with the blood elves, poke around with the ghosts, run all over creation for the damn mage, and you’re done.
Three quests is an exaggeration, but it does seem to be the most quest-poor zone except for the Crystal Forest in Northrend.
CBD wrote:
Yes, the current version of Azeroth will be gone forever
Don't forget that we're supposed to be part of this world. The nostalgia we would feel about the way everything used to be is similar to the way the actual people living in the world would feel.
Don't forget that we're supposed to be part of this world. The nostalgia we would feel about the way everything used to be is similar to the way the actual people living in the world would feel.
I totally agree.
My first visit into the Barrens (and other Cata-affected zones) after the expansion should be monumental, to say the least.
Kudos for enjoying the lore and geography of Azeroth, and understanding that Blizzard wants us to feel involved with this new storyline.
Politics is war without bloodshed, while war is politics with bloodshed. --Mao Zedong (1893 - 1976)
selebrin of the Seven Seas wrote:
Cobra101 wrote:
I wouldn't be at all surprised to find the Bronze Dragonflight offering day-trips and excursions to Old Azeroth.
"So when the world changed, um, Nazdormu was left behind. We still don't know where he is, but we know WHEN he is. If you want to go look for him, we'd appreciate that."
Well, considering Nazdormu's prime mate has two of the Vials of Eternity that you gave her in order to access Mount Hyjal... and that Nazdormu is kinda the leader of the Infinite Dragonflight... And that he's probably doing the whole ******** around with time in an attempt to prevent himself from dying...
I'mma going to guess that he's going to take those Vials of Eternity and try and make a 4th Well of Eternity with them, and use it's magic to defend himself from the danger he percieves.
Edited, Aug 25th 2009 1:05pm by Karelyn
KUMQUATS
emmitsvenson wrote:
Cobra101 wrote:
Seems a shame when even the loremaster doesn't know there are a lot more than 3 quests in Azshara.
The issue with Azshara is that many of the quest lines there are class-specific lead-ins to Sunken Temple. So although running a search on Alla or Wowhead or whatever turns up a fair number of quests there, there are six or seven chains that a character will do no more than one of. Then there’s poke in the naga ruins, poke in the satyr ruins, poke around with the furbolgs, poke around with the blood elves, poke around with the ghosts, run all over creation for the damn mage, and you’re done.
Three quests is an exaggeration, but it does seem to be the most quest-poor zone except for the Crystal Forest in Northrend.
Even worse, the really epic quest starting with the Fallen Hero of the Horde in the Blasted Lands goes through Azshara. The poor blind Demon Hunter there probably will never seen see the giant tidal wave coming
Also, level 50 class quests, and more importantly, Azuregos for the Scepter of the Shifting Sands quest will be gone. Unless they move him, which seems likely. Hopefully. Maybe?
Retired News Writer for the ZAM Network
WoW - Aureliano the Insane - level 90 Druid on Sen'Jin
Nanaoki - level 90 Mage on Sen'Jin
WoW - Aureliano the Insane - level 90 Druid on Sen'Jin
Nanaoki - level 90 Mage on Sen'Jin
Recent Visitors: 0
All times are in CDT
- Forums
- World of Warcraft
- General Discussion
- Expansion Woes
© 2018 ZAM Network LLC