Player Base vs Actual Game = FailFollow

Few thoughts, WoW may have 11mil subscribers but is far down on one of the Largest MMO rating sites. (over mil reg members)

even planetside is infront of wow, and it has what, a couple thousand subscribers?

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/show/released/sCol/finalRank/sOrder/desc

So advertising about having 11mil subscribers meens f*** all.

WoW has 11 million subsribers

but i see the adverts failed to advertise, that the game was made is 2003, its full of annoying children and, well it generally sucks?

no for company sake, they want to make money, so false advertisement ftw.

11mil subscribers advertisement just makes other MMO's look like crap, which is just silly really, because there are far better games than WoW out there.

This is not a flame, this is just general opinion. Im pretty much sick of hearing "Zomg Zombies!!!1, WoW has 11million subscribers so it must be the best
zomgoding game in the world." NO!, just stop there.

Player base fails on so many levels.
Actual game play/content, good development, and fun? yes thats what i like about games.

Think about it!.

It took me several minutes to realize how important the difference between Planetside's 8.04 and WoW's 8.03 was.

I am henceforth quitting the game. I have been mistaken in my joy.

Thank you for this enlightening post.

and you posted this here... why? you do understand that this is a board for WoW fans? did you really think your poorly conceived/worded post was actually going to convince anyone of anything? what is it that you're trying to accomplish exactly?

wow has 11 million subscribers for a reason. many reasons, actually, and almost all of them are good.

You made a post about how bad WoW is...on a forum occupied by people who play WoW. You may as well have walked into a church and shouted "Jesus is GAY!"

One word: Troll.

Okay, whose sockpuppet is this?

ZOMG HAHA YOU TOTALLY CONVINCED ME NOW I'M GOING TO QUIT WOW AND JOIN HELLO KITY ISLAND ADVENTURE!

...so what you are really saying is that because WoW didn't tell its users "pick me! ooh! ooh! pick me!" and give people a pointer to an obscure online rating service, that it's bad? Sorry, but you have poor logic.

Has anyone looked at the games above wow on that poll?

Ultima Online. Is it still going, being developed for, practical? This was my first MMO, and I would never think about going back.
World of Kungfu. I have never heard of this. Any idea about it?
Asheron's Call. Just about as old as Ultima Online. Haven't heard much of it in ages.

On lists like these, World of Warcraft has the rules of large numbers working against it. The more people who try and experience your product, the more varied the customer response is going to be. If you had 11 million people try and by your product, there are going to be more then a few who don't like it. I am also a member of a board game group online. The mass sold games have more games played and more people have played them. For these games to get good ratings, the vast majority of gamers have to like the game. It has to be a solid game that everyone can enjoy, because most people have played them. The niche games, though, that are only targeted at a select group of gamers only have to fit the play style of THOSE gamers. And sense those gamers are the only ones playing the game, guess what, they are going to rate it higher. If someone from outside the specialty where to play that game, they would probably mark it a lot lower.

A practical example would be the boardgame Ticket to Ride. From one popular sight, it has been rated 11,715 times with an average score of 7.55 at an over all rank of 50th. That is a large sample size for that sight, meaning probably most people have played the game, and most people tend to like it, but some have had to mark it lower. Now look at the ranking for Command and Colors: Ancients. It has an average score of 8.01. By this example, more people like this game, it is amazing, and it blows Ticket to Ride out of the water at rank 15. But if you look closer, only 2547 people have actually ranked the game. It is more of a niche game with a smaller demographic. It was designed to sell and play really well to a smaller niche market (war gamers). I am betting that if the 11,715 people who ranked ticket to ride also played and ranked Command and Colors, that average ranking would drop like a rock.

A lot of those other games, though are geared and aimed at niche markets and are aimed at only pleasing them. If they only have a small market, and cater to it, then that select market will probably enjoy the game more. If you had the same amount of people who ranked World of Warcraft also rank all these smaller games, I am betting that those scores would drop a lot. These average lists don't mean anything unless they also give you the amount of people who ranked each game.

All board game information gotten from http://www.boardgamegeek.com/browse/boardgame.

Wordy, was it someone from around these parts or just some random dude?

Edited, Jun 13th 2009 10:30pm by Mazra

I wonder if it was someone who was trying to generate clicks on either the original site or a redirect that got squished by the filters. Perhaps someone could check it out and delete the link if it is something like that?

As far as I can tell, there is a huge difference between people (let's call them wannabe fanboys) voting for outdated or junk MMOs and people voting with their wallets. "customer ratings" are worth nothing when there is a lack of "customers".