So I'm going out of town next week for my best friend's wedding. I'm going to be gone most of next week so I figure I'll try getting into a late night PUG of naxx 25 since it'll probably be one of my last chances in a couple of weeks.
I post in trade for a good half hour. Chatting in guild chat (at this point I've done dailies, done' BGs, done heroics, I just want to jump in a raid for a few hours and have some fun).
Well I finally get an invite...well just an invite. I'm advertising dps or heals and for multiple raids and I just get an invite. That should have been the first sign. (so rude) The guy FINALLY messages me and asks me to join for 25 naxx. I'm like sure! what do you need? Dps or heals? "whichever. heals would be great". I go and grab my paly since I'm significantly better geared and experienced healing. I get summoned in. We start the heigan dance 2 minutes later. We wipe 3 minutes after that.
"Okay guys. Thanks for coming. We'll pick back up tomorrow night."
What?! You're kidding me. I have a full evening left...I spent 5 minutes in the instance...to get SAVED and a 11g repair bill? Not to mention the mana pot I had to burn? How rude can you possibly get.
Chances are I can't join back up with them. They made it sound like they were clearing a full quarter. They gave no indication they were in for one wipe, one boss, whatever.
What's worse? I invited my best friend along. The one getting married. He's going to be out of wow for possibly up to a month. So this was one of his last opportunities to raid as well.
If you're thinking of calling it at one boss. Be nice LET ANYONE YOU INVITE KNOW! Its extremely rude and downright selfish to use someone to fill a spot when you have absolutely no intentions of sticking by. Sure, some people are fine with it. But most aren't. I opened a ticket but I doubt the GMs will do anything. 5 minutes... had I known I'd have never came.
I really think the save mechanic should only engage AFTER downing a boss. And people shouldn't be selfish noobs.
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Posted: May 23 2009 at 7:42 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Start your own raid and complete naxx problem solved.
ekaterinodar wrote:
If you're thinking of calling it at one boss. Be nice LET ANYONE YOU INVITE KNOW! Its extremely rude and downright selfish to use someone to fill a spot when you have absolutely no intentions of sticking by. 5 minutes... had I known I'd have never came.
Unfortunately, this is exactly the problem. They are selfish, and they know they won't get members if they are forthcoming about it.
It does suck that peeps will do that sort of stuff - but you can at least try and preempt it. If you get the box stating that you're going to get saved, step out of the instance then whisper the RL asking what's already been killed and what they're going for.
True, they could still be an idiot and lie- but you might just be lucky enough to get the guy who will tell the truth and say something along the lines of "We're only going for [Insert boss name here] then we're calling it".
It's still a long shot, and unfortunately (From my experience at least) there are still those that will lie through their back teeth in order to accomplish what they wish without thinking how it will affect the other 9/24 people in the raid.
True, they could still be an idiot and lie- but you might just be lucky enough to get the guy who will tell the truth and say something along the lines of "We're only going for [Insert boss name here] then we're calling it".
It's still a long shot, and unfortunately (From my experience at least) there are still those that will lie through their back teeth in order to accomplish what they wish without thinking how it will affect the other 9/24 people in the raid.
Often times and always in pugs there's no way for the raid leader to know when the group will break up. If that was a guild run and they knew they had a time limit, than that is indeed extremely rude.
I was saved also a couple weeks ago in the same manner, no kills not even a rat, and the pug raid broke up after the wipe in my first minutes inside. I opened a ticket and I got my ID reset and the warning its the first and last time.
Was it this very next patch 3.1.2 that they're changing it into saved upon kill only?
I was saved also a couple weeks ago in the same manner, no kills not even a rat, and the pug raid broke up after the wipe in my first minutes inside. I opened a ticket and I got my ID reset and the warning its the first and last time.
Was it this very next patch 3.1.2 that they're changing it into saved upon kill only?
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Not trying to be a **** here, but if you're going to be gone all next week why does it matter you got saved on one toon?
(V)(;,,;)(V) Why not Zoidberg?
The pragmatist in me says let it go.
The evil overlord deep in my soul yearning to be free says to create your own raid and clear their instance.
The evil overlord deep in my soul yearning to be free says to create your own raid and clear their instance.
Arexlovespie wrote:
Not trying to be a **** here, but if you're going to be gone all next week why does it matter you got saved on one toon?
He had all night to run a raid. Now (after 5 minutes) he is cut out of any worthwhile Naxx PUG that he could have joined. A good PUG could clear a few wings easily in a night - that's a lot of raiding to be cut out of with no warning for one abortive attempt at Heigan.
see it like this:
You got spared an evening of wipes, agony, repair bills and sheer hatred directed at windowlickers.
WIping on Heigan isn't something a GOOD PUG will do. I'm by no means a hardcore raider, but Haigan is pathetic, and so is wiping on him.
You got spared an evening of wipes, agony, repair bills and sheer hatred directed at windowlickers.
WIping on Heigan isn't something a GOOD PUG will do. I'm by no means a hardcore raider, but Haigan is pathetic, and so is wiping on him.
That's pretty bad no matter how ya look at it.
Had a pally guildie pug 25m Vault y'day. Paladin raid leader sharded the pally valor gloves that dropped that my guildie rolled/needed for.
I suggested to my guildie to "yell" at the RL's guildies. My guildie replies a couple mins later "Guild leader and officers are ripping into him."
Had a pally guildie pug 25m Vault y'day. Paladin raid leader sharded the pally valor gloves that dropped that my guildie rolled/needed for.
I suggested to my guildie to "yell" at the RL's guildies. My guildie replies a couple mins later "Guild leader and officers are ripping into him."
"...for he suffers the worst fate he can know, and that is to know that he dies."
According to the GM "If you are summoned into the instance you are automatically saved."
Wonderful.
"So you mean in the future I should 1) create my own raid, or 2) never accept a summons."
"Yes, that may very well be the thing to do."
Stupid system.
Wonderful.
"So you mean in the future I should 1) create my own raid, or 2) never accept a summons."
"Yes, that may very well be the thing to do."
Stupid system.
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"Trade Chat" wrote:
We've had talking cows from day one, and you're throwing a fit about talking panda's? Get over it.
I've learned the hard way to be very leery about joining anything already in progress. Naxx is a little different due to the length of time involved but any time I have joined something already in progress, it's turned out bad.
As soon as I see the "saved" box pop up I leave and start asking questions before I go back in.
As soon as I see the "saved" box pop up I leave and start asking questions before I go back in.
tabstopper wrote:
Arexlovespie wrote:
Not trying to be a **** here, but if you're going to be gone all next week why does it matter you got saved on one toon?
He had all night to run a raid. Now (after 5 minutes) he is cut out of any worthwhile Naxx PUG that he could have joined. A good PUG could clear a few wings easily in a night - that's a lot of raiding to be cut out of with no warning for one abortive attempt at Heigan.
Exactly. Actually I have all weekend to raid. I leave Tuesdayish. Maybe wed (And i leave wed morning so no overnight raiding Tuesday).
Since I wasted 5 minutes and got auto saved that screwed my whole night and weekend. Had I not been saved last night I'd have been looking tonight for another one. But now I can't.
Kind of a last hoorah before the trip.
Raolan wrote:
I've learned the hard way to be very leery about joining anything already in progress. Naxx is a little different due to the length of time involved but any time I have joined something already in progress, it's turned out bad.
As soon as I see the "saved" box pop up I leave and start asking questions before I go back in.
As soon as I see the "saved" box pop up I leave and start asking questions before I go back in.
And this is the problem. I never saw the saved box. According to the GM since I was summoned into a raid in progress via warlock I apparently was auto-saved. I never saw the prompt box. So had I suspected anything it didn't matter.
Not that I'm really all that upset anymore. Bummed, irritated, a bit frustrated. But I haven't been sitting here thinking of horrible nasty things to do to the raid leader... well not too many at least.
Edited, May 23rd 2009 7:59pm by ekaterinodar
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"Trade Chat" wrote:
We've had talking cows from day one, and you're throwing a fit about talking panda's? Get over it.
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And this is the problem. I never saw the saved box. According to the GM since I was summoned into a raid in progress via warlock I apparently was auto-saved. I never saw the prompt box. So had I suspected anything it didn't matter.
Never been summoned into a raid but I have been summoned into an instance and received the pop up box, it shouldn't be any different. So if you accept a summon instead of zoning in on your own you don't get the choice, how is it any different? I call BS on the GM.
I wrote a post a couple of months ago, but decided against starting a thread after completing it. I felt that just by me writing it it had served its purpose. The similarity to the OP caught my attention, and reminded me of this:
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Karma- "...the effects of all deeds are viewed as actively shaping past, present, and future experiences." -Wikipedia
This past weekend, I became upset after being invited to a Naxx run that was partially complete. The RL informed me of their progress (they were on Heigan) before I accepted. No problem, I've done the dance before and it was late Saturday, I probably wouldn't find a fresh run to pug. I made one mistake as I joined them, I hit 'ok' on the ready check out of habit before I really was ready. I didn't make a great entrance as I died almost immediately. No excuses, my mind was focused on questions that really didn't matter in this fight- who was tanking, who are the other healers and so forth. They finished the fight and then decided to call it a night. I was angry that they wasted my time. I typed out a couple of searing comments in chat, but cancelled them before sending, effectively "biting my tongue". I hearthed and sat at a mailbox, writing a letter to the RL, chastising him for his insolence. I was interrupted by a friend, and after chatting with her for a bit, I went back to writing my letter...
It was about this time that I recalled a PUG run from the previous night. I had been summoned into a H Nexus run to fill a vacancy as a healer. The group was on the first boss and I jumped into my role. It was one of those groups that everyone dreads. I went oom for the first time in months. The fight lasted much longer than it should. The tank left after the fight (conveniently dc'd without a word, although I couldn't really blame him.) The lead passed to me and I went in search of a new tank. I got a tell from a warrior asking for an invite, and added him to the group. Before I could explain the situation to him, the lock summoned him into the instance and we continued. "Oh well" I thought to myself, "we're all in the same boat now." We struggled through the trash and wiped on the next boss. The warrior questioned the abilities of the dps and asked for the lead. I had a feeling of what was about to happen, but I passed the lead anyway. He promptly kicked the rest of the group and started adding dps to continue the run.
I received several tells from the kicked dps, none of them happy. I told them that the tank was right, we were never going to finish the instance with this group. I apologized and continued, although I felt a bit guilty about taking over their run. I should have just abandoned the group but I rationalized that their sorry butts weren't cutting it, and besides, it was the daily heroic. When I told the tank about the conversations, he responded with a simple "idc". We finished it easily with the new group, but something was tugging at my conscience- I did care...
So now I write this out in hopes of balancing my karma. Perhaps it is just a game, but there are real people behind those other toons. Just because we are separated by the internet and skill level does not give me the right to be callous. Maybe I am too affable, but that's how I'm built.
/penance
This past weekend, I became upset after being invited to a Naxx run that was partially complete. The RL informed me of their progress (they were on Heigan) before I accepted. No problem, I've done the dance before and it was late Saturday, I probably wouldn't find a fresh run to pug. I made one mistake as I joined them, I hit 'ok' on the ready check out of habit before I really was ready. I didn't make a great entrance as I died almost immediately. No excuses, my mind was focused on questions that really didn't matter in this fight- who was tanking, who are the other healers and so forth. They finished the fight and then decided to call it a night. I was angry that they wasted my time. I typed out a couple of searing comments in chat, but cancelled them before sending, effectively "biting my tongue". I hearthed and sat at a mailbox, writing a letter to the RL, chastising him for his insolence. I was interrupted by a friend, and after chatting with her for a bit, I went back to writing my letter...
It was about this time that I recalled a PUG run from the previous night. I had been summoned into a H Nexus run to fill a vacancy as a healer. The group was on the first boss and I jumped into my role. It was one of those groups that everyone dreads. I went oom for the first time in months. The fight lasted much longer than it should. The tank left after the fight (conveniently dc'd without a word, although I couldn't really blame him.) The lead passed to me and I went in search of a new tank. I got a tell from a warrior asking for an invite, and added him to the group. Before I could explain the situation to him, the lock summoned him into the instance and we continued. "Oh well" I thought to myself, "we're all in the same boat now." We struggled through the trash and wiped on the next boss. The warrior questioned the abilities of the dps and asked for the lead. I had a feeling of what was about to happen, but I passed the lead anyway. He promptly kicked the rest of the group and started adding dps to continue the run.
I received several tells from the kicked dps, none of them happy. I told them that the tank was right, we were never going to finish the instance with this group. I apologized and continued, although I felt a bit guilty about taking over their run. I should have just abandoned the group but I rationalized that their sorry butts weren't cutting it, and besides, it was the daily heroic. When I told the tank about the conversations, he responded with a simple "idc". We finished it easily with the new group, but something was tugging at my conscience- I did care...
So now I write this out in hopes of balancing my karma. Perhaps it is just a game, but there are real people behind those other toons. Just because we are separated by the internet and skill level does not give me the right to be callous. Maybe I am too affable, but that's how I'm built.
/penance
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Regarding the Heigan dance, did 10 man again last night, and boy were people not paying attention to the dance. He still had about 40% of his health left, with just me (Shammy healer), a DK tank, and a hunter. Slowly but surely, all three of us finally got him down. Thank god he doesn't have an enrage timer.
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I popped in a pug Naxx25 yesterday, since I didnt have much to do with my day off. It went fantastic. One-shot everything in Plague, Saph, and KT. What wasnt so fantastic was when KT loot dropped, the RL ninjaed the Betrayer for himself, a 7.5 helm for his buddy (which I could have REALLY used, the gods of WoW dont want to see me get a decent helm), and the caster ring for his other buddy (which I could have also used). Then all three were gone without a trace.
I dont know what I hate more, a pug thats not working, or people who leech off the hard work of others.
I dont know what I hate more, a pug thats not working, or people who leech off the hard work of others.
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