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#52 Apr 14 2009 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
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DrymChaser wrote:
Ryne, you have a historical grudge with WoWMatrix and I have read your posts about what you think of people that use it (ie. gamers).

I don't have hundreds of Add-Ons, but I can imagine a large number of gamers with a lot of Add-Ons "cursing" Curse and WoWI today.

I AM a customer if I visit the sites. My visit counts towards their page hits and view times. I would visit often and a lot as I am still navigating the world of Add-Ons.

As for this move, I may have to re-consider the number of visits and time spent on their pages.

It still seems petty and childish.


Petty and childish? You try running a free website using tons of bandwidth and come back and say that.
#53 Apr 14 2009 at 12:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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May be a good move for short term results, but not so much in the long run.

Yeah people will be forced to go to curse on one of the biggest add-on updates days in wow(a major content patch day). But people will remember that curse killed one of the easiest methods for players to update their add-ons.


I'm sure it would be better if Matrix killed curse.


Yeah, because there were only two possible outcomes/solutions for the whole situation right?

A: Kill WoW Matrix, **** off tons of add-on users
B: Allow WoW Matrix to continue with what it was doing, and let the host sites go broke and kill the website.


Curse couldn't possibly have developed a similar/better add-on manager, especially considering WoW Ace already had one that functioned(from a player/non-programmer stand point) similar to WoW matrix(it just didn't have the cross website capabilities). Instead we get the crap that curse has now. Because I want an add-on manager to display news for a game I don't even play. I want an add-on manager to take data from my computer(that has nothing to do with add-ons) and send it to their websites. No, I want my add-on manager to do two things, keep track of current versions of add-ons available and to update mine when they are updated, that's it, and the curse client can't even do that part correctly.

Instead, they completely killed an add-on manager without offering at least a decent alternative, and no the curse client is not a decent alternative.

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Curse and WI can work together to get rid of WoW Matrix, but they can't work together to create an add-on manager that would make the entire community happy, by not forcing people to either A. download and update all of their add-ons manually, or B. have two add-on managers for two of the largest host sites in WoW?
#54 Apr 14 2009 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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SynnTastic wrote:
Curse and WI can work together to get rid of WoW Matrix, but they can't work together to create an add-on manager that would make the entire community happy, by not forcing people to either A. download and update all of their add-ons manually, or B. have two add-on managers for two of the largest host sites in WoW?


They've spent all their money on bandwidth. There's none left to fully develop anything properly.
#55 Apr 14 2009 at 12:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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MentalFrog wrote:
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Curse and WI can work together to get rid of WoW Matrix, but they can't work together to create an add-on manager that would make the entire community happy, by not forcing people to either A. download and update all of their add-ons manually, or B. have two add-on managers for two of the largest host sites in WoW?


They've spent all their money on bandwidth. There's none left to fully develop anything properly.


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#56 Apr 14 2009 at 12:56 PM Rating: Default
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is it really that hard u download the addons yourself? srsly...
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#57 Apr 14 2009 at 12:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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ownerg wrote:
is it really that hard u download the addons yourself? srsly...


Is it really that hard to type "you"?

Apparently the answer is yes to both of them.
#58ownerg, Posted: Apr 14 2009 at 12:59 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) haayyy tanks fur cluring that up fo me i got teh ansr i neded
#59 Apr 14 2009 at 1:03 PM Rating: Decent
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is it really that hard u download the addons yourself? srsly...


I have 96 addons listed. Some are just additional for main ones (like skins for ButtonFacade) but still it's safe to say I have 50+ addons that will have to be updated tonight. Along with millions of others players doing the same, trashing bandwidth of addon sites, successfully making it lot longer to access it. So, yeah it's kinda hard, annoying and tedious to do it all manually one after another.

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#60 Apr 14 2009 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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I can't believe some of the responses in this thread, especially from some of the veteran posters here.

When I first started playing this game shortly after launch, many addons were hosted privately and quite frankly were just a flat out hassle to maintain as a user. With EVERY patch breaking mods back then it was almost too bothersome to deal with. Then slowly but surely sites like WoWI, Curse, WoWAce and a few others that have since faded, took hold.
Thousands of different mods came flooding into this game all the while making OUR user experience more enjoyable. The best part? It is FREE!

It is kept free when these said sites host ads and collect site specific quality addons. The economical side of this has already been beaten to a pulp here so I won't go any further with it except to add this....it is all still FREE!!!!!!!

I realize some of you are here to do your average e-peen stroking by flaming a post on the interwebs and thats cool, but for some that act like they can't live without WoWmatrix....sad. I'm currently running 122 total addons myself and updated 63 of them in a matter of 10 minutes just before I posted here.

#61 Apr 14 2009 at 1:18 PM Rating: Good
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DrymChaser wrote:
Ryne, you have a historical grudge with WoWMatrix and I have read your posts about what you think of people that use it (ie. gamers).


I'm sure you don't need to search for other posts about WoWMatrix to see that I don't like what they do.

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I don't have hundreds of Add-Ons, but I can imagine a large number of gamers with a lot of Add-Ons "cursing" Curse and WoWI today.


Why, because WoWInterface takes the time to query the download frequency of all their AddOns, and develop a "Survival Guide" on the front page that primarily lists the most popular and liked AddOns to date for easy access to not just the ones on their site, but Curse, WoWAce, etc? Yea, damn them for their attempt to help!

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I AM a customer if I visit the sites. My visit counts towards their page hits and view times. I would visit often and a lot as I am still navigating the world of Add-Ons.


That's what I find funny about people that use WoWMatrix and say they're still loyal customers to the source sites. You realize that regardless of your claims to visit the sites (which may very well be true), you still support and defend the primary service that is sucking them dry. Smiley: lol

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You're still not making sense. You're assuming when I say they "Hosted" that they had a site service like WoWInterface. Wrong, they downloaded AddOns themselves and put them onto their own server without the Source Site or Authors consent.
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#62 Apr 14 2009 at 2:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, I just opened wowmatrix (and will probably continue to use it unless WoWUI's updated manager is decent....curse's is horrifyingly bad) and I noticed a few things. First of all, a number of addons I could easily find on other sides just got the updater changed to those sites (there were a couple, but it's worth noticing WoWMatrix is already responding to this). Even though some of the major addons I enjoy using using are only hosted on WoWUI, I will keep using WoWmatrix...

Honestly, I don't care about an auto-updater. It's a nice perk of what I like about WoWmatrix, but it's not really why I use it. I use it cause it provides a comprehensive list of addons with short descriptions. It also tells me what I have installed. That's what I really want - Just an addon organizer. The updater part was just a nice perk. If WoWUI's updater providers that (for all my addons, not just the ones they can provide), I will embrace it whole hardily. However, if it's like curse (that knows they don't have it so tries to force you to download the addons they have over others.....I killed Curse updater cause it kept suggesting crap to me even after I told it not to!), I think I might just give up on WoWUI's website altogether, just like I did curse's.

Edit: Also, just noticed that curse does not appear to be actually blocked, or they haven't changed the source links yet. If curse actually backed out at the last moment, this seems like a ******* move to make WoWUI look bad. However, from the design ideals I saw in their updater, it wouldn't shock me that much....

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#63 Apr 14 2009 at 2:47 PM Rating: Good
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On the bright side WoWMatrix still links to the sites and tells me when addons are out of date. at least I don't have to hunt and peck.
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#64 Apr 14 2009 at 2:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Out of curiousity...

A) How many WoW Addons are open-source?

B) What if WoWMatrix went and started carrying all of the Addons (that the authors would let them) on their own bandwith and kept doing what they are doing using their own site/bandwith?

C) What happens when people start only using WoWMatrix's site/downloader and only using the Addons that are supported on it?

I seriously doubt all of the authors would blacklist WoWMatrix.

The point (for me anyway) that I am seeing in this thread is this... If I can no longer use WoWMatrix will I go and manually update the addons myself? Yeah.. I'll have to, but I will only be updating after a patch or if I 'break' an addon and I wont be updating every 3-4 weeks.




#65 Apr 14 2009 at 2:51 PM Rating: Good
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I'm Pretty sure all addons have to be open source.
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#66 Apr 14 2009 at 3:40 PM Rating: Decent
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The answer to this little problem is extremely simple:

I will not update my addons until WOWMatrix has bypassed the lock.

It will probably take a few days, however, my major addons will all work (they always due) and my convenience addons will be disabled. The fact that these major sites have decided that patch day is the right time to pull out the pitchforks and torches just goes to show how incredibly stupid they are. I know that a large portion of the addon community, including myself, will specifically NOT go to Curse and WowInterface strictly because of this childish maneuver. They really screwed the pooch on this one. Before I would always go to these sites and preview, check out the author, view screen shots, and do my initial downloading before even loading up WOWMatrix. Although I recognize Ryne's point of view and argument it doesn't change the way I feel. Smiley: oyvey

It's a disappointing day for the WOW community all around.
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#67 Apr 14 2009 at 7:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Yep WowMatrix doesn't work with the Add-On sites, Add-On authors and their precious "donation" links or offer to host Add-Ons. Those evil WM people.

http://www.wowmatrix.com/faq/

Q. I am an AddOn author. How do I get my AddOn listed in WowMatrix?

A. You may contact us at any time via the Feedback Form at our website. Please include the name(s) of the AddOn(s) and the webpage URL(s) at which you normally post the latest version(s) of your AddOn(s).

In addition, we can (if you like) link to your Donations page from within the updater and on our website, and optionally, if bandwidth usage is a concern for you, host your AddOn(s) on our servers at no charge.


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#68 Apr 14 2009 at 8:19 PM Rating: Good
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So now that I've gotten rid of wowmatrix and uninstalled every addon I had I want to replace them with ones from from curse and wowinterface. It appears now that I can't install addons into my addons folder as none of them are even showing up. I hates my life.
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#69 Apr 14 2009 at 8:38 PM Rating: Excellent
meh. I've never used WoWMatrix.
I like to manually install/download my add-ons. Gives me something to do, and sometimes I find other add-ons to try out.

Sounds like a bummer for all the peeps who use it however. But it isn't for me :p
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Anyone got any latest info on if WowMatrix has been fixed yet? I just checked the main site but could not find anything.
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#71 Apr 15 2009 at 8:29 AM Rating: Decent
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DrymChaser wrote:
Yep WowMatrix doesn't work with the Add-On sites, Add-On authors and their precious "donation" links or offer to host Add-Ons. Those evil WM people.

http://www.wowmatrix.com/faq/

Q. I am an AddOn author. How do I get my AddOn listed in WowMatrix?

A. You may contact us at any time via the Feedback Form at our website. Please include the name(s) of the AddOn(s) and the webpage URL(s) at which you normally post the latest version(s) of your AddOn(s).

In addition, we can (if you like) link to your Donations page from within the updater and on our website, and optionally, if bandwidth usage is a concern for you, host your AddOn(s) on our servers at no charge.




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#72 Apr 15 2009 at 8:30 AM Rating: Decent
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So now that I've gotten rid of wowmatrix and uninstalled every addon I had I want to replace them with ones from from curse and wowinterface. It appears now that I can't install addons into my addons folder as none of them are even showing up. I hates my life.


Details? OS? What steps are you taking to install them? This isn't curse's fault, you're doing something wrong.
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1) My server is down for extra maint (EU Moonglade)
2) Curse.com is just timing out or giving "Server is busy" messages most of the time
3) When I can get to an addon to try to download it, it gives me a grief page as if I were trying to get the addon via Evil External Shadowy Death Force Program.

Something needs to be done!

And I suggest crying!

#74 Apr 15 2009 at 9:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm not a wowmatrix user (I suffer with Curse client an manual updates), but I honestly feel this move was a mistake on the part of Curse and WOWI.

Their market (us) is largely concerned with convenience, and not who's stealing whose revenues. I absolutely understand where Curse & WOWI are coming from on this, but simply disabling wowmatrix (especially on a patch day) could have no other effect but making them look like the real villains.

Why? Because as other have pointed out, neither has a solution that comes close to wowmatrix in terms of functionality and efficiency.

The real solution would be to produce a superior product, get it out in to the market so a subset of the population gets used to it, then cut off wowmatrix at the knees. This solution paints Curse and WOWI in a much more pleasant light, especially if this product were a joint effort (split the ad revenue, perhaps?), and there'd be much, much less sympathy for wowmatrix in the aftermath.

The path these sites have chosen to take, though, is to cut their market off from a tool they really like and offer, in return, either a vastly inferior product (Curse Client), or a shrug and a heap o' nothing (WOWI).
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WoWI forums are a joke atm. They are banning posts left and right and telling people to only discuss this change in one topic.....that they locked.....


Awesome. Classic corporation with one very over worked PR guy. But, I digress.

Ethics of WowMatrix aside, if you must get your upgraded as they come out, you can use the curse client. The one caveat is to not leave it running 24/7. Run it before your go to play way, let it do its thing, and then exit the program.

A LOT of people here are saying that its trash. It isn't that bad, it just takes a little more time to make sure everything is updated properly. I have only once had an issue with it, and a quick manual download fixed that for me.

But, to each their own.
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Arex, I installed Curse yesterday and had it do its thing. Didn't delete any of my addons. Some of the addons it didn't recognize b/c WoWMatrix had messed with the files.

Now if the Curse Client would stop crashing every time I close WoW I'd be happy...I blame Vista.
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