Apparently both Curse and WoWinterface found a way to block WoWMatrix. It doesn't work anymore. I don't want to get into argument over using WoWmatrix in the first place again. We had that some time ago.
I want to know Your opinions about this and how will You deal with handling addons from now on.
I had to get Curse Client again, but it doesn't recognize some addons from WoWInterface like Carbonite, EquipCompare and couple more I used. It's slightly annoying.
I understand their reasoning about this. I'm not, in the slightest, angry at them for protecting their IP.
But at the end of the day it means that I have to download and manually update strictly WoWInterface addons because they do not have working updater. It's kind of a drag. I figure they rushed, so that patch day wouldn't completely block their sites. I do hope they get both updaters up and running soon.
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Timelordwho wrote:
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You have got to be kidding me. This is probably the absolute worst news I've heard in a long time.
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Tavarde wrote:
You have got to be kidding me. This is probably the absolute worst news I've heard in a long time.
It's good news to me, I never really liked the idea of WoWMatrix.
I'd much rather download and install everything myself.
If you let computers do all the work, eventually you'll forget how to do stuff and you'll become brain dead.
*edit* It seems the Wow Matrix fans really like that rate-down button.
Edited, Apr 14th 2009 2:02pm by jpaugh
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A warrior is kinda like a blender. You can shatter it from a long way off with a gun, or you could even pull the plug so it can't move, but if you stick your face into it when it's moving you're going to lose.
Timelordwho wrote:
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Tavarde wrote:
You have got to be kidding me. This is probably the absolute worst news I've heard in a long time.
Agreed. If I wanted a time consuming way to re update all of my patches I would play EQ. I just guess I can wait a few days for a way around the blockage is found.
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Sounds good to me. I've always had issues with WoWMatrix and it's high-handed method of bypassing the developer's distribution controls.
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With the internet becoming more important every single day, there really needs to be some serious internet laws written to police stuff like this. What WowMatrix is doing would be illegal if they were say for example, a brick and mortar business stealing power from the business next door to power their own building. But instead this is the internet version of that and I don't know if there are really any laws to police that sort of stuff.
The internet is a great thing but it can't just go unchecked. There need to be laws to govern the internet just like there are laws to govern the real world. But the question is, who should be the one to write those laws and how can they make sure that those laws can be policed on an international basis. That's the challenge and I have to admit, I don't have the answer to that one yet.
The internet is a great thing but it can't just go unchecked. There need to be laws to govern the internet just like there are laws to govern the real world. But the question is, who should be the one to write those laws and how can they make sure that those laws can be policed on an international basis. That's the challenge and I have to admit, I don't have the answer to that one yet.
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You have got to be kidding me. This is probably the absolute worst news I've heard in a long time.
Did you miss the post about the PETA event? or hear about the Somali Pirates? or hear that the Gear switcher won't be ready with the 3.1 patch?
or was there a hint of sarcasm in there?
I just found it to be incredibly helpful and a wonderful time-saver. I don't have all night to scour websites each day looking for updated versions of my addons, let alone keep a list to track them all. If I didn't want to do things the easy way I wouldn't...live in society. I'd sleep in a cave, bludgeon my food to death with rocks then eat it raw and **** in bushes.
Edit: Well, the in-game PETA event and delaying of the gear manager I couldn't care about. The Somali pirates choking off the world's busiest shipping lane, that is far worse news than the breaking of Wowmatrix, I won't lie. But I'm not Somali, nor a sailor on any nation's boat traveling through that area, nor any sort of person important enough in the business world to actually make money off what comes on those boats. So the breaking of Wowmatrix affects me far more than Somali pirates.
Edited, Apr 14th 2009 11:24am by Tavarde
Edit: Well, the in-game PETA event and delaying of the gear manager I couldn't care about. The Somali pirates choking off the world's busiest shipping lane, that is far worse news than the breaking of Wowmatrix, I won't lie. But I'm not Somali, nor a sailor on any nation's boat traveling through that area, nor any sort of person important enough in the business world to actually make money off what comes on those boats. So the breaking of Wowmatrix affects me far more than Somali pirates.
Edited, Apr 14th 2009 11:24am by Tavarde
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Tavarde wrote:
I just found it to be incredibly helpful and a wonderful time-saver. I don't have all night to scour websites each day looking for updated versions of my addons, let alone keep a list to track them all. If I didn't want to do things the easy way I wouldn't...live in society. I'd sleep in a cave, bludgeon my food to death with rocks then eat it raw and **** in bushes.
Try a different pair of shoes.
I wish Curse would at least provide a viable alternative. Their Curse Client sucks.
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Yay for curse downloader. I love it when I am running v1.1.4 of something and go to update my add-ons and it rolls the add-on back to v1.1.3...
If curse downloader didn't run so much crap in the background(honestly I don't care about news from the games, I only want you to update my add-ons), kept up to date add-on information, and had a complete list of the websites available add-ons, there really wouldn't be a demand for WoW Matrix.
If WoWI and Curse can get together and block WoW Matrix, perhaps their resources would have been better spent developing a decent downloader than the one currently ran by Curse. After all the best defense against such programs is to develop a better one.
Like the OP said, chances are high that WoW Matrix will come up with a patch to get around the block. Then the cycle will begin. WoW Matrix side skirts the block, Curse & WI develop more protection, someone else comes along and bypasses that, Curse & WI come up with counter measure. Remove the need for wow matrix by creating a better downloading program and none of this would be necessary.
If curse downloader didn't run so much crap in the background(honestly I don't care about news from the games, I only want you to update my add-ons), kept up to date add-on information, and had a complete list of the websites available add-ons, there really wouldn't be a demand for WoW Matrix.
If WoWI and Curse can get together and block WoW Matrix, perhaps their resources would have been better spent developing a decent downloader than the one currently ran by Curse. After all the best defense against such programs is to develop a better one.
Like the OP said, chances are high that WoW Matrix will come up with a patch to get around the block. Then the cycle will begin. WoW Matrix side skirts the block, Curse & WI develop more protection, someone else comes along and bypasses that, Curse & WI come up with counter measure. Remove the need for wow matrix by creating a better downloading program and none of this would be necessary.
Is the Curse Client 3.0 any better than the previous craptastic versions? Or is it just craptastic 3.0?
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Instead of everyone complaining about how bad the Curse updater is, how about some users redirect their angst and try to provide some feedback to the developers on the site(s) as to how to improve their updater programs? FYI, WoWInterface has an updater of their own, so anyone complaining about having to manually update their AddOns at WoWI should look into getting their updating App instead.
It was only a matter of time before the primary AddOn community sites banded together to block WoWMatrix. And like the OP stated, there's no real reason to get into another lengthy discussion about what WoWMatrix does wrong. But regardless, everyone should be supporting the primary sites anyways, even if it's just with browsing site traffic. It's a free service, provided to you free of charge to help enhance your WoW experience. Show some support.
It was only a matter of time before the primary AddOn community sites banded together to block WoWMatrix. And like the OP stated, there's no real reason to get into another lengthy discussion about what WoWMatrix does wrong. But regardless, everyone should be supporting the primary sites anyways, even if it's just with browsing site traffic. It's a free service, provided to you free of charge to help enhance your WoW experience. Show some support.
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This is really bad news for me and my 176 add-ons. It would literally take me all day to update all my add-ons manually. As for the curse client not only does it downgrade add-ons instead of update, miss half my add-ons, hog resources and tell me all sorts of crap I don't want to know, but haven't there been viruses distributed through it in the past. I remember hearing about that happening on more than one occasion. Not curses fault, but someone snuck something in there IIRC.
Edited, Apr 14th 2009 11:47am by Lathais
Edited, Apr 14th 2009 11:47am by Lathais
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Lathais wrote:
This is really bad news for me and my 176 add-ons. It would literally take me all day to update all my add-ons manually. As for the curse client not only does it downgrade add-ons instead of update, miss half my add-ons, hog resources and tell me all sorts of crap I don't want to know, but haven't there been viruses distributed through it in the past. I remember hearing about that happening on more than one occasion. Not curses fault, but someone snuck something in there IIRC.
Edited, Apr 14th 2009 11:47am by Lathais
Edited, Apr 14th 2009 11:47am by Lathais
As far as I know not in the new version of their client, WoWUI also has one too.
WoWInterface UI Manager is discontinued until their new one comes out. Don't know if this has been mentioned already, sorry if it has.
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The UI Manager download was removed at the beginning of the month because of the number of problems it is experiencing now. If you have an existing one, you can still try to use it, but because so many people were having problems with it, we disabled new downloads of it. Sorry. =/
Quoted after WoWinterface admin Cairenn. Also: no ETA on this one. Full thread in their forum
Edit: spelling
Edited, Apr 14th 2009 6:08pm by himdraug
A warrior is kinda like a blender. You can shatter it from a long way off with a gun, or you could even pull the plug so it can't move, but if you stick your face into it when it's moving you're going to lose.
Timelordwho wrote:
Good plans are never ruined, only secondary contingencies triggered.
As much I respect Curse and WOWI for blocking WowMatrix, they are doing it the lazy way.
They need to understand that people want a light weight, simple to use program for keeping their stuff updated.
I've tried the curse updater and it sucks donkey balls, if they made a clone of Wowmatrix that was lightweight and didn't insist on running all the time I would use that without fail.
But I'm sure WowMatrix will just release an update within a few days to bypass the block.
Or maybe someone will bring something new out that actually works and is ethical.
They need to understand that people want a light weight, simple to use program for keeping their stuff updated.
I've tried the curse updater and it sucks donkey balls, if they made a clone of Wowmatrix that was lightweight and didn't insist on running all the time I would use that without fail.
But I'm sure WowMatrix will just release an update within a few days to bypass the block.
Or maybe someone will bring something new out that actually works and is ethical.
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Precisely, Kel. If Curse.com had one that worked as efficiently as WowMatrix I doubt many of us would be having this discussion at all. We'd be using the Curse DLer and be happy as clams. Or pigs in sh*t.
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Hey Kel, wasn't that your exact response when you replied to Dadanox's link about this in the 3.1 thread? 
Either way, I hate dealing with addons even though I use them.
Either way, I hate dealing with addons even though I use them.
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I already miss WoWMatrix. I decided to go ahead and give the Curse client a try (it utterly sucks, btw)and the first thing that popped up after install was an ad for Curse "Premium" subscription service. I understand everyone's desire, and need, to make a buck, but, damn it, it still annoys the hell out of me.
WoWI forums are a joke atm. They are banning posts left and right and telling people to only discuss this change in one topic.....that they locked.....
Behold the power of procrasti
What bothers me in particular is I still always visit Curse and Wowinterface when I want an addon and DL it for the first time. I browse their sites all the time. But for the purposes of keeping everything I have updated and working properly, that's where WowMatrix comes in. Now I'm sure this is not how everyone has done it, as WowMatrix offers a list of available addons it can get for the user without the need to visit a website, but it just feels selfish to me that they would deliberately seek to block this incredibly useful and handy addon manager.
I mean, what's next? Random websites blocking google from finding them when you do a search? Allakhazam blocking posters from putting links to anything but other posts or locations at Allakhazam.com?
Yea, superbly poor example, I'm sorry. But I'm waiting for the servers to come back up and I'm immeasurably bored.
I mean, what's next? Random websites blocking google from finding them when you do a search? Allakhazam blocking posters from putting links to anything but other posts or locations at Allakhazam.com?
Yea, superbly poor example, I'm sorry. But I'm waiting for the servers to come back up and I'm immeasurably bored.
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Link to previous WoWMatrix thread
Here is a link to our last discussion about WoWMatrix. If I recall correctly Ryneguy along with others explained in details how WoWMatrix works and why exactly it's fought by WoWInterface and Curse.
Here is a link to our last discussion about WoWMatrix. If I recall correctly Ryneguy along with others explained in details how WoWMatrix works and why exactly it's fought by WoWInterface and Curse.
A warrior is kinda like a blender. You can shatter it from a long way off with a gun, or you could even pull the plug so it can't move, but if you stick your face into it when it's moving you're going to lose.
Timelordwho wrote:
Good plans are never ruined, only secondary contingencies triggered.
I use a ton of AddOns, and even author a few. I understand where people like (Tavarde) are coming from with the ease of "Updating" their AddOns after they've already selected them and used the consistently. No on is against the idea of a tool like this. Cairenn from WoWI put it perfectly when she stated the reasons why they're doing this:
I bolded the things I feel are important for everyone. There is no perfect solution to this, but people need to understand like Nimrook mentioned above, had this been a real world brick-and-mortar business leeching resources off it's neighbors, or modifying products without the knowledge of the original creator/developer, then they would be in court.
I'm sure all of the people that used "Glider" thought it was great and backed it up 100%. Just because it exists doesn't mean it's right. It affects everyone. If WoWI and/or Curse went out of business tomorrow, where would you get those AddOns from? There's only so many major sites out there that are legit and cater to the majority of the AddOn community. All they want is fairness for themselves to do business without paying for someone elses service to work.
Seriously, if a applications developer or two could create something like WoWMatrix while consulting with WoWI and Curse, to work together, we (and I say we because it should/could be a community effort) could come up with a much better solution that would fit everyone's needs.
Edited, Apr 14th 2009 1:13pm by Ryneguy
Cairenn wrote:
WowMatrix violates author copyright and intellectual property rights:
-They redistribute addons without authors' permissions;
-When they first started they would scrape the legimate sites for addons then upload them to their own site in addition to deep-linking from the sites;
-They edited authors' files to remove donation requests and links to their home sites, etc.; and
-They have failed on many occasions to honour authors' requests to remove addons from their application;
-In a lot of cases the files served to users have been many versions out of date. This leads to authors having users complain about bugs, bugs that were fixed days or weeks ago in versions that are available on the legitimate sites, causing problems for both the authors and for the end-users;
-Until the community raised a hue and cry, Wowmatrix didn't even supply the authors' names as to who wrote the addon, let alone provide a link to where the addon was legitimately hosted;
-WowMatrix leeches from the legitimate hosting sites without permission, let alone compensation. Originally, they scraped our sites so they could upload addons to their own site without permission, in addition to deep-linking from our sites. They have finally stopped hosting the addons on their own site, but they still deep-link from our sites, using our resources to run their program. WowInterface and Curse use a lot of bandwidth every month which costs a lot of money. The way we pay our bills is through site ads, which are directly dependent on users viewing them, and premium memberships. WowMatrix bypasses our download pages, and, as a result, people are not viewing the ads. Of course, this means the ads aren't generating any revenue to pay for the bandwidth. At the rate they were going, if they were allowed to continue using our resources without any compensation, they were going to drive us right out of business. Not only are they stealing our bandwidth and preventing us from being able to recoup that loss, they also have their own ads all over their site and application. They are directly profiting from the stolen bandwidth; and
-Due to the massive resource drains they put on our sites, we have all experienced heightened loads and weaker performance, especially on patch days. During those days they download so much from our sites that sometimes we have a hard time keeping up to the demands; thus causing legitimate users to experience problems accessing our sites. That's just flat out unacceptable.
-They redistribute addons without authors' permissions;
-When they first started they would scrape the legimate sites for addons then upload them to their own site in addition to deep-linking from the sites;
-They edited authors' files to remove donation requests and links to their home sites, etc.; and
-They have failed on many occasions to honour authors' requests to remove addons from their application;
-In a lot of cases the files served to users have been many versions out of date. This leads to authors having users complain about bugs, bugs that were fixed days or weeks ago in versions that are available on the legitimate sites, causing problems for both the authors and for the end-users;
-Until the community raised a hue and cry, Wowmatrix didn't even supply the authors' names as to who wrote the addon, let alone provide a link to where the addon was legitimately hosted;
-WowMatrix leeches from the legitimate hosting sites without permission, let alone compensation. Originally, they scraped our sites so they could upload addons to their own site without permission, in addition to deep-linking from our sites. They have finally stopped hosting the addons on their own site, but they still deep-link from our sites, using our resources to run their program. WowInterface and Curse use a lot of bandwidth every month which costs a lot of money. The way we pay our bills is through site ads, which are directly dependent on users viewing them, and premium memberships. WowMatrix bypasses our download pages, and, as a result, people are not viewing the ads. Of course, this means the ads aren't generating any revenue to pay for the bandwidth. At the rate they were going, if they were allowed to continue using our resources without any compensation, they were going to drive us right out of business. Not only are they stealing our bandwidth and preventing us from being able to recoup that loss, they also have their own ads all over their site and application. They are directly profiting from the stolen bandwidth; and
-Due to the massive resource drains they put on our sites, we have all experienced heightened loads and weaker performance, especially on patch days. During those days they download so much from our sites that sometimes we have a hard time keeping up to the demands; thus causing legitimate users to experience problems accessing our sites. That's just flat out unacceptable.
I bolded the things I feel are important for everyone. There is no perfect solution to this, but people need to understand like Nimrook mentioned above, had this been a real world brick-and-mortar business leeching resources off it's neighbors, or modifying products without the knowledge of the original creator/developer, then they would be in court.
I'm sure all of the people that used "Glider" thought it was great and backed it up 100%. Just because it exists doesn't mean it's right. It affects everyone. If WoWI and/or Curse went out of business tomorrow, where would you get those AddOns from? There's only so many major sites out there that are legit and cater to the majority of the AddOn community. All they want is fairness for themselves to do business without paying for someone elses service to work.
Seriously, if a applications developer or two could create something like WoWMatrix while consulting with WoWI and Curse, to work together, we (and I say we because it should/could be a community effort) could come up with a much better solution that would fit everyone's needs.
Edited, Apr 14th 2009 1:13pm by Ryneguy
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