Curse and WoWInterface fights backFollow

Wow, a useful feature given Blizzard's new development policy.



Well, that's interesting, but since option b is "update everything manually" having an imperfect but still useful tool is quite handy. The Curse updater blows, and so does the WoWI one, not that it's even available anymore since it sucked so much.



Perhaps this would have been better received if they had shut them down and started their own, not godawful download service. And not done it on patch day.

It's a dumb move designed to generate maximum anger against WoWI and Curse. Well done.

EDIT: Pronoun confusion ftw.

Also, isn't WoWI owned by Zam? So isn't this your fault?

Edited, Apr 14th 2009 1:45pm by RPZip

No, you suck...because self-centered ignorant selfish people like you will be the end of sites like Curse and WoWInterface (not WoWUI) and then there won't be any AddOns...period.



You know, as well as I, that that is a lame excuse. So you're saying that WoWMatrix should have the right to actually change the code of Pitbull, QuestHelper, Bartender, etc. as they see fit with the authors consent? Genius!



Actually, option B (IMO) is using WoWMatrix or any Downloader App for that matter. What did you all do before these fantastic marvels of software applications arrived? Did you *cough-gasp-weeeeeeezzzzeeee* actually update your AddOns manually? Oh let me guess, no one used AddOns until WoWMatrix came along, right? No. A lazy-mans way to update AddOns came trotting along at the expense of hosting sites and a ton of players bit like fish to worm on a hook because it was the lazy-mans. Was the model of the application good? YES. Was how it was developed and implimented deliberately deep-linking to the original hosting sites and leeching off them a good model? NO.

I'd be so inclined to take the time to learn to develop such an application with the help of Curse and WoWInterface if it didn't mean catering to directly benefit such a large population of ungrateful players.

I especially love the "YOU write add-ons if you're so angry/lazy/stupid/cheap..." marketing campaign you guys got running here.

Well if these "legitimate business models" include pissing off the customer base this badly then they deserve to fail.

I mean forgive me oh great Ryneguy that I would like to quickly and efficiently update the add-ons I use from the free/public internet pages.

I would like very much to visit these sites a lot more and perhaps even donate to authors, but it is becoming more evident that they are not in it for the gamers.

It's a good move. It forces people to stop using WoWmatrix on the day it really counts, the day it would otherwise put a major dent in curse and wowi's bandwidth expenses. People will have to use WoWi or curse's downloader or do it manually. Both which help put revenue into the proper source. Matrix is a free-loading hippy that needs a reality check. Things aren't free no matter what it is, including open source add-ons.

WoWmatrix is great in theory but they're going about it the wrong way. The problem is these 3 competitors need to hold hands and work together.

Instead of Curse and WoWI fighting WoWMatrix, why don't they just hire the guys? I guess they may not want to if they are making more money from their own adds though.

My thing is though, I have almost 200 addons, I lost track some time ago. Without an easy way to update them all, I am probably going to be forced to just stop using them altogether, which will make my game experience much worse, which may even cause me to quit the game. Franted, that's a bit extreme, but I like my add-ons. I used to do it all by hand, but it just got to be too much. With what I have now, I would probably spend more time updating than playing, and to me, that is just unacceptable.

Don't get me wrong, I totally understand how WoWMatrix is bad, and hurts the hosting sites, that in no way stopped me from using it however, as I simply do not have the time to update them all myself.

I guess I will have to give the Curse Client another try, though last time I used it I hated it, then heard the things about people getting viruses when using it. I've heard the virus thing isn't a problem anymore, but with the amount of traffic the site gets it will probably be a target again sometime in the future.

Ryne, very simply, the solution for WoWI is to make something similar to WoWMatrix; I don't understand why they haven't already made one (that didn't suck).

I understand that they need their revenue.

Users don't need the hassle of going to every individual author's page to just grab an update, though.

It would be pretty simple to take the WoWMatrix style and simplicity and change the ads contained in it to their own, and possibly add a "donate" tab at the top where when you click on it, it takes you to a list of authors, and by clicking the author's name, it's the same as pressing the PayPal button on the author pages.

It seems pretty simple to me.

Granted, I've only done a tiny bit of web design and a lot of graphic design, but it doesn't seem too hard to me.

It's too bad, they probably could have struck up a good partnership together.

May be a good move for short term results, but not so much in the long run.

Yeah people will be forced to go to curse on one of the biggest add-on updates days in wow(a major content patch day). But people will remember that curse killed one of the easiest methods for players to update their add-ons.

RP, you're just arguing semantics. Drym said they're pissing off their customers. I said that they're just protecting themselves, and if in doing so someone get's upset...oh well. It's not their fault, they're providing a free service. You argue as if users are entitled to it when it's a privledge to be able to use the service. I have no idea what you're going on about...it's not a complicated paragraph to read.

When you said "Bad PR Move", it reads as to assume you're saying they're hurting themselves while saying it, thus meaning that it's not a smart move (enhanced by your use of the "cataclysmicially"). Sure, people are going to get pissed off. But again, misunderstanding the reason for them doing it is the problem here.



Author "X" uploads his AddOn to site "Y". Site "Y" is entrusted to ensure that a) the file maintains it's original structure and integrity b) it's available to the community for free. Author "X" chose the site because a) he/she agrees with their method of community communication b) prefers the tools provided by the site to maintain their creation and/or c) believe the site is trustworthy. Then Application "Z" comes along, downloads the files from Site "Y", uploads it to their own server, don't credit the Author, change/manipulate the file structure & source elements. Application "Z" broke the rules. Who the hell cares if it's easier for everyone. You say "Profit! Fast addon updates!" Site "Y" says "Wtf, I can't pay the bills this month, time to raid the piggy bank...another month of this and I'm outta here". Application "Z" says "Mwa ha ha! Money in my pocket, sucka's!".

WoWMatrix has ALWAYS deeplinked. They used to host, they stopped because it was entirely unethical and too many Authors were requesting they pull the AddOns permanently (not that they listened). Now they only deeplink. They are a virus, a leech to the legitimate sites. They're entirely dependent on the sites they're ruining. Ironic, no? I don't really understand what you're arguing. You don't use WoWMatrix, but you understand exactly why it's helpful as a tool. Yet you're arguing that they're (WoWMatrix) in the right (I think)?

And I want a Whopper from McDonalds.

Better. I want Johnny Walker in every H2O bottle I buy.

Ryne, you have a historical grudge with WoWMatrix and I have read your posts about what you think of people that use it (ie. gamers).

I don't have hundreds of Add-Ons, but I can imagine a large number of gamers with a lot of Add-Ons "cursing" Curse and WoWI today.

I AM a customer if I visit the sites. My visit counts towards their page hits and view times. I would visit often and a lot as I am still navigating the world of Add-Ons.

As for this move, I may have to re-consider the number of visits and time spent on their pages.

It still seems petty and childish.