Reinstated Post by DarqflameFollow

**Oh, and I'll be deleting the OP, I don't need to hear from any more of you. Because you're all 100% wrong anyway.

I don't post here to be disagreed with.

Chances are the vast majority of you who hate this system are the sort of people who wouldn't benefit from it (i.e. not a class lead or officer). Well of course "you" would think it's awful.

**Oh, and I'll be deleting the OP, I don't need to hear from any more of you. Because you're all 100% wrong anyway.

Hmm, but wouldn't they have to change the default filter? Did you include a note suggesting they do that?



I am gonna have to go try and find that guild forum now, this might be fun to watch.

Spending 30 minutes moving crap from one tab to the next doesn't give you some uber buff that lets you go in and solo heroic Naxx.

It's amusing how you all pounce like jackals on the wounded zebra. Then you all pat yourselves on the back with rate ups.

It's amusing how you all pounce like jackals on the wounded zebra. Then you all pat yourselves on the back with rate ups.

Tavarde, I didn't rate you down until you had your childish tantrum and deleted the original post. Since I can't rate that OP down multiple times, I had to satisfy my irritable ratefinger by finding and downrating every post that you made in this thread. If I could, I'd just nuke the everliving hell out of the one you deleted in your infantile hissyfit. I hope that clears things up a little. From this thread, you don't seem to be able to take advice, but I'll offer you one more- grow a sack.

Tavarde
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So last night the GM and officers of my guild had a meeting to work out a new loot system once and for all for the guild. Since the beginning of Lich King we had been using a Karma system that was in many aspects very similar to DKP. Raiders would accumulate karma for showing up on time, for every hour raided and for staying until the end. This karma could then be spent on gear that dropped they really wanted, resulting in their total karma value being cut in half with each use.

There were some problems with this system however that had begun to bother us officers (as well as the GM). Mainly, some of our raiders were inclined to horde their karma, passing up on reasonable upgrades in hopes of getting that one incredible drop later down the line. This of course does not help the raid as a whole. All upgrades she be rolled on by everyone who can use them.

Another problem of our Karma system was that it was repeatedly rewarding the members of our 25 man team who either A: Didn't work as hard; B: Didn't go to every raid; C: Simply weren't our best raiders. We want to unconditionally gear up the best members of our raid team first, but this wasn't happening, and it was beginning to upset all of us within the officer circle. The last few weeks gear has been going to people who are either only part-time raiders, are plagued with constant disconnect issues that severely limit their effectiveness or are prone to making dumb mistakes that are otherwise avoided by our best raiders.

So we instituted a new system of "weighted rolls" in emulation of one the better alliance side guilds on our realm. Every rank now has a set amount of "weight" added to every one of their rolls and this weight goes up by a factor of 10 with each rank. For our guild's ranking system it is Raider = 10, Senior Raider = 20, Class Lead = 30, Officer/Senior Officer = 40, and GM = 50. The two lower ranks, Initiate and Member, have no weight added (but we have very few people ranked there right now anyway).

And so began the QQing. Not from a lot of people, but from a few. Some of them we knew would complain, but others we were surprised to find having a problem with it. One in particular that shocked me was a rogue who, after being handed the best DPS leather chest item in the game Saturday night (the lv 226 item off heroic Malygos), logged off in anger before because she suddenly was supposedly being given less of a chance at gear than before. And she's already a Senior Raider with a weight of 20 to all her rolls. The other QQer is our hunter Class Lead, who immediately objected to the change and those of us in the officer circle simply figure he just doesn't want our hunter officer having a greater chance at gear.

They argue that a weighted rolls system is unfair. Well they just don't seem to realize how unfair karma has been to the officers and the GM. Our GM has lost rolls on numerous items and he is by far the absolute hardest worker out of every single member in the guild. As far as I'm concerned, he should have first dibs on anything that drops for his class without question. But he doesn't, because he like us officers want to be fair and democratic to our raiders. We want everyone to feel important, but at the same time we feel a system of rewarding the hardest workers and best raiders first is absolutely tantamount to our success.

I've come to realize that anyone in my guild that QQ's over this new system is more concerned with getting gear and being the best <class here> than they are with helping the guild progress and being one of the top contenders on our realm.

What do you all think?
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Thrall Realm
guild: The Aggro League
Tavarde, Night Elf Hunter, lv 70, 51/0/0
Edravat, Night Elf Druid, lv 80, 0/55/16
Wreckingball, Gnome Death Knight, lv 78, 51/18/0
Nohealsgfy, Draenei Priest, lv 31, 5/0/17

Tavarde, Garuda Server, Bastok Rank 10
75BST, 75BRD, 75PLD, 67DRK,
37WHM, 37NIN, 37WAR, 37THF,
Cooking 100, Fishing 19
proud member of BeastintheSack
proud player September 04 - July 07
(since retired, gave the acct away)