Reinstated Post by DarqflameFollow

Wow, I would /Gquit on the spot..... That system is HORRIBLE!!

I would suggest a loot council or something of that nature, but it is obvious that the GM and officers involved would ***** that up as well. Sounds like you guys need to have a serious (no rank structure) guild talk.

Insta /gquit. No question about it.

You DO realize that the logic you are using is the logic that fuels 95% of Dictatorships around the world, no? "I work so hard and make the country go forward, so I can take whatever I want while the people building my 5th palace can starve."

It is SUCH bull, it is ridiculous.

As a leader, you SHOULD feel entitled to more. As a GOOD leader, you should PASS UP the opportunity to take it.


Have you SERIOUSLY thought about the system you chose?

Your GL (and, I presume, his alts) all get a 50 point weight. If he rolls above a 50, he AUTOMATICALLY gets the item. Even if he rolls a 25, the opposing player has to get a 76 to beat him.

It is RIDICULOUS. He will get over 50% of the items he rolls for. It gets SLIGHTLY less ridiculous as it goes down the line, but seriously.

If your basic logic skills are that bad, just go DKP.

That is totally retarded. Talk about selfish needs... I really hope your stronger raiders leave you and your high and mighty officers high and dry and head for another guild. You're an officer, doesn't make you the better player.

I've got an idea, how about each player start with 50+ to their roll. Each time someone breaks a trap/ pulls aggro stupidly/ignores omen and pulls the aggro off the MA or so on they lose say 2 points. At the end of the raid they number they have left gets added to their roll. Now it's fair. It's based on NOT BEING A NUB and allows those with skills even if they are part time to excel and get better gear.

Edited, Feb 10th 2009 10:13am by Katielynn

To be honest, I've left things in the toilet that were glittering goldmines of genius compared to the loot system in the OP.

Good leaders are willing to set themselves on equal ground with their followers. Your leaders are not good.

It would be one thing if we were discussing how a fair loot system was met with whining, /gquits, and general discontent. It's just a shame that the OP can't see that their new loot system is horribly, horribly flawed.

guilds should be about communism. It isn't a business. Items in the guild bank don't cost money. It's about having fun. Everyone should be equal. If you need an item, roll on it. I just don't see how that system is unfair. It's all random chance with drops and rolls.

That's the problem with raiding guilds. You guys don't actually like each other, and probably don't even like playing the game together. Why play the game if you aren't having fun?

Why would people disagree with a looting system that virtually hands over all items to the officers in a guild?


If that's how your guild is run you should start paying your guildies.

Wow. Pathetic, and ironic in that your OP and this last one had more QQing than the people you were trying to put down. AS another poster said I hope your guild crashes and burns and that the server knows you are one of the primary reasons.

You do so much of the hard work, and the regular employees work for you, lmao. So when you do 25 mans, really the peons are just there for body count, you and the GM do all the work.

I think the name of your priest says all anybody needs to know about you. Don't get me wrong, I have a priest and he's shadow so no heals, thought in the previous arena seasons I was disc/holy and obviously healed my partners. It's just people who choose names like that are so cliche` and it shows your mind set, as does your posts.

Why did you post, then?



We're not in your guild, we get no benefit from your loot system either way.



Wrong. Any guild that works in this way, in fact, is probably going to combust sooner rather than later. A guild is not a business, rather it is like a small and very grumpy nation. When a leader begins lining his pockets through the masses' efforts, there will be discontent and a tendency toward rebellion. A leader volunteers for his position and should not expect any reward other than the greater authority that comes with increased responsibility.



In that case, might I suggest getting a LiveJournal rather than posting on discussion boards?

Leadership is responsibility, not privilege. Leading a guild or a raid in WoW is a volunteer position, not a paid position. If people don't want the responsibility, they ought not be leaders. If they want extra compensation, they ought not be leaders. Downing raid bosses is what produces loot from raids, not managing the guild bank, recruiting, or anything of the sort. Those other things are important, but if you're standing around Dalaran recruiting or organizing the guild bank, you're not downing raid bosses. Spending 30 minutes moving crap from one tab to the next doesn't give you some uber buff that lets you go in and solo heroic Naxx. There are plenty of other perks that can be tossed at your GM/officers that don't involve putting them ahead of everyone else for looting privileges on a more or less permanent basis.



No, the owner of a business makes the most money because he takes the largest risk. If the business fails, the employees lose their jobs. Harsh, but that's it. They go out and find another job. The owner, on the other hand, usually ends up in bankruptcy, loses any assets they leveraged to finance the (now failed) business, and while the employees are out job hunting, the business owner is cleaning up the mess. That's why business owners get the lion's share of the profits.

If a raid group wipes, everyone gets the 10% durability loss. Everyone loses their food/elixir buffs. Everyone loses the same amount of time to go back in and rebuff to try again. If the wipes keep happening and everyone but the GM leaves the guild for greener pastures, the GM still has a guild, still has a guild bank paid for, and either starts over or transfers guild ownership to an alt and finds another guild to join with their main.

See the difference?



Crass.

Oh wait! I get it. You're taking the role of a whiner and evaluating our response to you! Ahhh...very tricky. Good one.